Miami Heat 2024 Regular Season - Thread 4.0

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Rozier is a young pup compared to when we threw 90 million at a 35 year old Lowry.

35 is the new 30 for most players these days, just not Lowry lol

35 is not the new 30, outside of some aberrations, this has not applied to 95% of the rest of the NBA.

I was preaching this last year and there not enough to back it just yet but we’re going to see increased longevity; especially for stars with this new weaker 3 point shooting era being everyone’s bread and butter, STAY TUNED

[IceColdCubano]

building around a post up big you need a point guard who knows how to get bigs the ball in the paint. One thing Lowry did extremelywell was give Bam ball until Spo took the ball out of Lowry hands

Terry is the 2nd best pick and roll handler this year, bam is a top 5 roller this year. We also need to increase that action; it makes no sense not to. Another thing that I hope they discussed yesterday

A big is not scoring a lot of points as a roller, or can carry an offense. You can score a lot as a pick n roll ball handler, but not as a roller. A roller can easily be stopped.

Regardless of whose scoring on the Pick/Roll if you have two guys who are top 5 in both categories on the same team, and your not doing that, that should get you reprimanded as a coach. I think if you look it up, Rozier/Bam have completed only 3 to date, and are successful on 2 with a bucket, and the third lead to shooting foul. I don't know what else to say, outside of can we just do a handful of those plays per game.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

building around a post up big you need a point guard who knows how to get bigs the ball in the paint. One thing Lowry did extremelywell was give Bam ball until Spo took the ball out of Lowry hands

Terry is the 2nd best pick and roll handler this year, bam is a top 5 roller this year. We also need to increase that action; it makes no sense not to. Another thing that I hope they discussed yesterday

A big is not scoring a lot of points as a roller, or can carry an offense. You can score a lot as a pick n roll ball handler, but not as a roller. A roller can easily be stopped. This is not Stockton and Malone era defensive rules

You need a spread out shot diet though, you’re not just getting all your points the same way. Catch lobs, catch and attack in isolation, hit a few mid range shots, get to the line, receive a few dump offs when Terry beats his man and your man is forced to help, etc.

Terry is generating 8-9 points scoring a game as the pick and roll handler; he’s mixing in other actions to get his other 13-14 or whatever.

Bam is currently getting 4 points a game out of the pick and roll, that need to bump to 6-7. He needs to attack the rim more for more efficient shots and those changes alone with Terrys rim pressure also generating easier looks on the catch near the rim from Bam will increase his scoring to near 25 and give our offense a better efficiency and potentially free shooters up more

[twix2500]

Terry is the 2nd best pick and roll handler this year, bam is a top 5 roller this year. We also need to increase that action; it makes no sense not to. Another thing that I hope they discussed yesterday

A big is not scoring a lot of points as a roller, or can carry an offense. You can score a lot as a pick n roll ball handler, but not as a roller. A roller can easily be stopped.

Regardless of whose scoring on the Pick/Roll if you have two guys who are top 5 in both categories on the same team, and your not doing that, that should get you reprimanded as a coach. I think if you look it up, Rozier/Bam have completed only 3 to date, and are successful on 2 with a bucket, and the third lead to shooting foul. I don't know what else to say, outside of can we just do a handful of those plays per game.

I like Rozier but you are valueing what Rozier statically did in Charlotte to heavily. He is not a player you make your primary weapon. Be careful.

Bam being used as he was early in the season was getting 7 free throws a game and averaging 22 pts that is huge. Getting to the free throw line is an indicator that the defense is struggling to stop him. You shouldn't be making Rozier a weapon ahead of Bam.

Versatility is important

[twix2500]

Terry is the 2nd best pick and roll handler this year, bam is a top 5 roller this year. We also need to increase that action; it makes no sense not to. Another thing that I hope they discussed yesterday

A big is not scoring a lot of points as a roller, or can carry an offense. You can score a lot as a pick n roll ball handler, but not as a roller. A roller can easily be stopped. This is not Stockton and Malone era defensive rules

You need a spread out shot diet though, you’re not just getting all your points the same way. Catch lobs, catch and attack in isolation, hit a few mid range shots, get to the line, receive a few dump offs when Terry beats his man and your man is forced to help, etc.

Terry is generating 8-9 points scoring a game as the pick and roll handler; he’s mixing in other actions to get his other 13-14 or whatever.

Bam is currently getting 4 points a game out of the pick and roll, that need to bump to 6-7. He needs to attack the rim more for more efficient shots and those changes alone with Terrys rim pressure also generating easier looks on the catch near the rim from Bam will increase his scoring to near 25 and give our offense a better efficiency and potentially free shooters up more

I agree have versatility. And yes needs more PnR action with Rozier. But it needs to be in addition to what Bam was doing early in the season, not in place of. Specifically when you play a team like Celtics. You want to quickly get Porzingis and Horford in foul trouble. Bam has shown he can get to the line.

[IceColdCubano]

35 is the new 30 for most players these days, just not Lowry lol

35 is not the new 30, outside of some aberrations, this has not applied to 95% of the rest of the NBA.

I was preaching this last year and there not enough to back it just yet but we’re going to see increased longevity; especially for stars with this new weaker 3 point shooting era being everyone’s bread and butter, STAY TUNED

I think it will take a couple more years, but it is inching that direction, its just not enough for it to be like the real trend. If you do a google search and find average ages of retirement from players between 1980-1990, 1990-2000, 2000-2010, 2010-2020, 2020-2023 you'll see a lot of fluctuation on average age of retirement NBA players. However when you look at it from start to finish say 1980-2020 as whole you see it creep overall by a couple of years, with the largest gradual increase from 2008-2020 happening.

[IceColdCubano]

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Barry is out in full force, doing the teams bidding, sending out the bat signal to leave Tyler Herro alone. We have enough.....

[twix2500]

Now Bam has to step up. He can not be missing easy layups that he been doing this past month.

[twix2500]

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Barry is out in full force, doing the teams bidding, sending out the bat signal to leave Tyler Herro alone. We have enough.....

finally Irvin being called a shooter guard.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Thinking more about the Cavs and Mitchell. The Cavs are in a very tough spot. Lose in the playoffs this year and likely not make much noise outside of potentially winning a round and then Mitchell is an expiring contract basically this summer. Depending on how next season goes do you trade him at the deadline if you don’t do it this summer or do you take the risk of him leaving when he opts out next summer and being left with nothing? If you only win 1 round this year or get bounced in the 1st round do you just admit that you’re not good enough and decide to trade him?

I don’t see Mitchell in Cleveland long term regardless, he wants to be in the spotlight and build his name as a superstar I believe. I think his best bet is to be our top scorer here. I don’t even see him as a good fit in New York. Randle and Brunson don’t play defense and Brunson will just be neutered next to the better Mitchell like we’re currently seeing with Garland.

Then the only other competition is really Brooklyn but Mitchell won’t want to play for the little brother team of New York despite bridges being his boy. Hell bridges just said the other day it suck’s playing New York in Brooklyn because the home team doesn’t have homecourt advantage. Hes probably leaving when he gets the chance too. Hell we dream of bam and Mitchell with Tatum or Fox or something but bridges might actually be that 3rd guy.

OKC could jump in and ruin everything but they’d be taking a big risk.

I feel very good about getting him, he could even make it easier for us to acquire him by agreeing to opt in to his deal and be traded here. Then him Bam and Jimmy will all expire that next summer together and Andy can work his magic.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

A big is not scoring a lot of points as a roller, or can carry an offense. You can score a lot as a pick n roll ball handler, but not as a roller. A roller can easily be stopped. This is not Stockton and Malone era defensive rules

You need a spread out shot diet though, you’re not just getting all your points the same way. Catch lobs, catch and attack in isolation, hit a few mid range shots, get to the line, receive a few dump offs when Terry beats his man and your man is forced to help, etc.

Terry is generating 8-9 points scoring a game as the pick and roll handler; he’s mixing in other actions to get his other 13-14 or whatever.

Bam is currently getting 4 points a game out of the pick and roll, that need to bump to 6-7. He needs to attack the rim more for more efficient shots and those changes alone with Terrys rim pressure also generating easier looks on the catch near the rim from Bam will increase his scoring to near 25 and give our offense a better efficiency and potentially free shooters up more

I agree have versatility. And yes needs more PnR action with Rozier. But it needs to be in addition to what Bam was doing early in the season, not in place of. Specifically when you play a team like Celtics. You want to quickly get Porzingis and Horford in foul trouble. Bam has shown he can get to the line.

Just saying but you can increase both their usage and not sacrifice anything by moving Herro to the bench for Duncan or just moving him in general

[twix2500]

IMO I have always felt it's important to establish the big man in the first quarter. It makes defenses adjust, pickup fouls and the big is in a groove. Not feeding the beast early, now he pressing and frustrated coming into the second half. Not having Herro or Duncan with 10 fga in the first quarter and Bam with 2

[marson]

Thinking more about the Cavs and Mitchell. The Cavs are in a very tough spot. Lose in the playoffs this year and likely not make much noise outside of potentially winning a round and then Mitchell is an expiring contract basically this summer. Depending on how next season goes do you trade him at the deadline if you don’t do it this summer or do you take the risk of him leaving when he opts out next summer and being left with nothing? If you only win 1 round this year or get bounced in the 1st round do you just admit that you’re not good enough and decide to trade him?

I don’t see Mitchell in Cleveland long term regardless, he wants to be in the spotlight and build his name as a superstar I believe. I think his best bet is to be our top scorer here. I don’t even see him as a good fit in New York. Randle and Brunson don’t play defense and Brunson will just be neutered next to the better Mitchell like we’re currently seeing with Garland.

Then the only other competition is really Brooklyn but Mitchell won’t want to play for the little brother team of New York despite bridges being his boy. Hell bridges just said the other day it suck’s playing New York in Brooklyn because the home team doesn’t have homecourt advantage. Hes probably leaving when he gets the chance too. Hell we dream of bam and Mitchell with Tatum or Fox or something but bridges might actually be that 3rd guy.

OKC could jump in and ruin everything but they’d be taking a big risk.

I feel very good about getting him, he could even make it easier for us to acquire him by agreeing to opt in to his deal and be traded here. Then him Bam and Jimmy will all expire that next summer together and Andy can work his magic.

I've seen this story before

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Barry is out in full force, doing the teams bidding, sending out the bat signal to leave Tyler Herro alone. We have enough.....

Barry had been drinking the Herro kool aid for years.

Mitchell: 28 on 35% (down shooting year)
Booker: 28 on 38%
Kyrie: 25 on 41% (we should’ve traded for him)
Edwards: 26 on 39%
Jaylen brown: 23 on 35%
Bane: 24 on 39%
Sexton starting: 22 on 42%

Then you have combo guards like Maxey and DJM who are better. Lavine and Beal are better.

Barry needs to sit down lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Thinking more about the Cavs and Mitchell. The Cavs are in a very tough spot. Lose in the playoffs this year and likely not make much noise outside of potentially winning a round and then Mitchell is an expiring contract basically this summer. Depending on how next season goes do you trade him at the deadline if you don’t do it this summer or do you take the risk of him leaving when he opts out next summer and being left with nothing? If you only win 1 round this year or get bounced in the 1st round do you just admit that you’re not good enough and decide to trade him?

I don’t see Mitchell in Cleveland long term regardless, he wants to be in the spotlight and build his name as a superstar I believe. I think his best bet is to be our top scorer here. I don’t even see him as a good fit in New York. Randle and Brunson don’t play defense and Brunson will just be neutered next to the better Mitchell like we’re currently seeing with Garland.

Then the only other competition is really Brooklyn but Mitchell won’t want to play for the little brother team of New York despite bridges being his boy. Hell bridges just said the other day it suck’s playing New York in Brooklyn because the home team doesn’t have homecourt advantage. Hes probably leaving when he gets the chance too. Hell we dream of bam and Mitchell with Tatum or Fox or something but bridges might actually be that 3rd guy.

OKC could jump in and ruin everything but they’d be taking a big risk.

I feel very good about getting him, he could even make it easier for us to acquire him by agreeing to opt in to his deal and be traded here. Then him Bam and Jimmy will all expire that next summer together and Andy can work his magic.

I've seen this story before

I know, Pat Riley is prone to fumble a star sitting right there in his hands but maybe this is the time he finally gets it done and isn’t being a stingy/stubborn old bastard!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

IMO I have always felt it's important to establish the big man in the first quarter. It makes defenses adjust, pickup fouls and the big is in a groove. Not feeding the beast early, now he pressing and frustrated coming into the second half. Not having Herro or Duncan with 10 fga in the first quarter and Bam with 2

We were doing this to start the year and with guys being out with injury but Bam is always the one neutered by default when everyone is healthy because he can impact the game in other areas while other guys can’t.

We used to establish Bosh early too

[twix2500]

Thinking more about the Cavs and Mitchell. The Cavs are in a very tough spot. Lose in the playoffs this year and likely not make much noise outside of potentially winning a round and then Mitchell is an expiring contract basically this summer. Depending on how next season goes do you trade him at the deadline if you don’t do it this summer or do you take the risk of him leaving when he opts out next summer and being left with nothing? If you only win 1 round this year or get bounced in the 1st round do you just admit that you’re not good enough and decide to trade him?

I don’t see Mitchell in Cleveland long term regardless, he wants to be in the spotlight and build his name as a superstar I believe. I think his best bet is to be our top scorer here. I don’t even see him as a good fit in New York. Randle and Brunson don’t play defense and Brunson will just be neutered next to the better Mitchell like we’re currently seeing with Garland.

Then the only other competition is really Brooklyn but Mitchell won’t want to play for the little brother team of New York despite bridges being his boy. Hell bridges just said the other day it suck’s playing New York in Brooklyn because the home team doesn’t have homecourt advantage. Hes probably leaving when he gets the chance too. Hell we dream of bam and Mitchell with Tatum or Fox or something but bridges might actually be that 3rd guy.

OKC could jump in and ruin everything but they’d be taking a big risk.

I feel very good about getting him, he could even make it easier for us to acquire him by agreeing to opt in to his deal and be traded here. Then him Bam and Jimmy will all expire that next summer together and Andy can work his magic.

I've seen this story before

I know, Pat Riley is prone to fumble a star sitting right there in his hands but maybe this is the time he finally gets it done and isn’t being a stingy/stubborn old bastard!

Cavs gonna hold that superman over Mitchell head

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[IceColdCubano]

Thinking more about the Cavs and Mitchell. The Cavs are in a very tough spot. Lose in the playoffs this year and likely not make much noise outside of potentially winning a round and then Mitchell is an expiring contract basically this summer. Depending on how next season goes do you trade him at the deadline if you don’t do it this summer or do you take the risk of him leaving when he opts out next summer and being left with nothing? If you only win 1 round this year or get bounced in the 1st round do you just admit that you’re not good enough and decide to trade him?

I don’t see Mitchell in Cleveland long term regardless, he wants to be in the spotlight and build his name as a superstar I believe. I think his best bet is to be our top scorer here. I don’t even see him as a good fit in New York. Randle and Brunson don’t play defense and Brunson will just be neutered next to the better Mitchell like we’re currently seeing with Garland.

Then the only other competition is really Brooklyn but Mitchell won’t want to play for the little brother team of New York despite bridges being his boy. Hell bridges just said the other day it suck’s playing New York in Brooklyn because the home team doesn’t have homecourt advantage. Hes probably leaving when he gets the chance too. Hell we dream of bam and Mitchell with Tatum or Fox or something but bridges might actually be that 3rd guy.

OKC could jump in and ruin everything but they’d be taking a big risk.

I feel very good about getting him, he could even make it easier for us to acquire him by agreeing to opt in to his deal and be traded here. Then him Bam and Jimmy will all expire that next summer together and Andy can work his magic.

I've seen this story before

I don't see this happening, here is why.

Hate to be deby downer but, Utah sold Donovan to market because they were looking at a rebuild and understood that he would not sign an extension. Windy made note of this earlier than everybody when he said that they sold their best defender for picks prior to the Mitchel trade. Utah is in a rebuilding stage, therefore their foresight for trades is different than what Cleveland would do in this scenerio.

For Cleveland, since they are not in a rebuilding mode, and have parts and pieces on a team doing well, and Mitchel suddenly said he wouldn't resign, they would trade him for somebody equal to or better if they added picks to the equation. Something we do not have anything to give outside of putting Bam on the table plus picks. Now their FO is going to look as their first option is to retool, they don't go far in the playoffs this year but had a successful regular season, so they just need to retool. So they sell Donovan on getting him a running mate that could improve the team, they go out to the market use some of the talent they have and some picks to get a better player at another position or perhaps a slew of players in a trade that improves the team overall. Now that comes with the caveat that he buys into this and he resigns or extends. Which the first thing a competing team whose just a piece or two away from getting into the top 3 contender in the east

That's why I say that Cleveland's scenario is completely different that Utah's and why you won't see Donovan Mitchell here unless he is gifted to us in a miracle trade, where Pat Riley sold his soul to the devil for a second time.

[Bishop45]

I don’t like the way Swider is getting his 3s, I’m seeing nothing to show that he is fast or agile enough work through DHOs, it looks to need to be a wide open catch and shoot 3 or a 3 off a pump fake like we saw there in the corner. Hes not getting those 1st 2 3s off against nba defenders

I don't think Duncan is that easily replaced, he does a lot of things well and has been a key part of the best versions of this team

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Thinking more about the Cavs and Mitchell. The Cavs are in a very tough spot. Lose in the playoffs this year and likely not make much noise outside of potentially winning a round and then Mitchell is an expiring contract basically this summer. Depending on how next season goes do you trade him at the deadline if you don’t do it this summer or do you take the risk of him leaving when he opts out next summer and being left with nothing? If you only win 1 round this year or get bounced in the 1st round do you just admit that you’re not good enough and decide to trade him?

I don’t see Mitchell in Cleveland long term regardless, he wants to be in the spotlight and build his name as a superstar I believe. I think his best bet is to be our top scorer here. I don’t even see him as a good fit in New York. Randle and Brunson don’t play defense and Brunson will just be neutered next to the better Mitchell like we’re currently seeing with Garland.

Then the only other competition is really Brooklyn but Mitchell won’t want to play for the little brother team of New York despite bridges being his boy. Hell bridges just said the other day it suck’s playing New York in Brooklyn because the home team doesn’t have homecourt advantage. Hes probably leaving when he gets the chance too. Hell we dream of bam and Mitchell with Tatum or Fox or something but bridges might actually be that 3rd guy.

OKC could jump in and ruin everything but they’d be taking a big risk.

I feel very good about getting him, he could even make it easier for us to acquire him by agreeing to opt in to his deal and be traded here. Then him Bam and Jimmy will all expire that next summer together and Andy can work his magic.

I've seen this story before

I don't see this happening, here is why.

Hate to be deby downer but, Utah sold Donovan to market because they were looking at a rebuild and understood that he would not sign an extension. Windy made note of this earlier than everybody when he said that they sold their best defender for picks prior to the Mitchel trade. Utah is in a rebuilding stage, therefore their foresight for trades is different than what Cleveland would do in this scenerio.

For Cleveland, since they are not in a rebuilding mode, and have parts and pieces on a team doing well, and Mitchel suddenly said he wouldn't resign, they would trade him for somebody equal to or better if they added picks to the equation. Something we do not have anything to give outside of putting Bam on the table plus picks. Now their FO is going to look as their first option is to retool, they don't go far in the playoffs this year but had a successful regular season, so they just need to retool. So they sell Donovan on getting him a running mate that could improve the team, they go out to the market use some of the talent they have and some picks to get a better player at another position or perhaps a slew of players in a trade that improves the team overall. Now that comes with the caveat that he buys into this and he resigns or extends. Which the first thing a competing team whose just a piece or two away from getting into the top 3 contender in the east

That's why I say that Cleveland's scenario is completely different that Utah's and why you won't see Donovan Mitchell here unless he is gifted to us in a miracle trade, where Pat Riley sold his soul to the devil for a second time.

You’re not getting a Mitchell level player back for an expiring Donovan Mitchell and you’re not selling him to stay in Cleveland tbh. They say the worst kept secret is that Mitchell is not staying there long term