Miami Heat 2024 Regular Season - Thread 4.0

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don’t like the way Swider is getting his 3s, I’m seeing nothing to show that he is fast or agile enough work through DHOs, it looks to need to be a wide open catch and shoot 3 or a 3 off a pump fake like we saw there in the corner. Hes not getting those 1st 2 3s off against nba defenders

I don't think Duncan is that easily replaced, he does a lot of things well and has been a key part of the best versions of this team

I agree, swapping him for another good shooter doesn’t just equal the same results

[Bishop45]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

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Please make him the primary backup Center and ship Bryant out of here.

[Beenie]

Come on, coupled with his most recent comment about "sacrificing" going away from his game, he's not going to be good "limiting" his game for the good of the team this early in his career, maybe later in his league but not now. It's one thing to push a player who's trying to stay in the league to play a limited role and work on it an incredible amount to get very good (which it sounds like Robinson did), it's another thing to get a young ambitious player who thinks he's one of the top young players in the NBA to limit his game for more than just a few games/weeks and is being paid a ton of money to play how he's played up to this point. Just because Herro has the tools to a high level off ball SG that could help Miami playing that way, it doesn't mean he'll do it long term. I've just seen way too many highly paid players just refuse to change their game long term because the way they've played gets them paid so don't be surprised if Herro reverts back once he feels he can or he just gets frustrated with his role.

With all that said, I don't see Miami moving Herro in season, they've been clearing his way to try to reach his potential ever since after his rookie season, I tend to believe the Miami FO value Herro way more than any other FO and with that, I don't think this FO thinks they can "win" a trade moving Herro until they're not as high on Herro anymore.

I get your side of the coin, however I am looking at it from the FO point of view, we view his comments that way as fans coming off off putting. The FO wants to hear those words, its being uncomfortable that they want to see, and changing your game for the betterment of the team is moving in the right direction. They have no problems with players believing in themselves thinking their top in the league compared to their peers, you need to have an EGO as a scorer. He isn't lying about going away from his game, its the game that Miami has nurtured him into, its why they gave him that contract or else he wouldn't be getting paid like he does, so now the team is asking him to go away from that vision they bought into together and head into a different direction. If Herro wasn't doing what was asked, his butt would be shipped out really quick.

The FO has cleared his path to give him a chance to be what his ego wants him to be (which the FO did or does still believe in... think better than Booker). Miami goes to the finals, and they don't resign their starting PG (which would have cost very little and been some depth or trade piece) and handed Herro the starting PG position his 2nd year only to pull him back. 3rd year Miami's 2021 plan blew up with Giannis agreeing to the supermax and all they could get was Lowry as their prize (a lot of teams stayed away from Ball including his own team), kept Herro on the bench but kept him happy giving him starter minutes as a 6th man in which he mentioned he's "earned" being a starter and what do you know, he's a starter and Miami is HORRIBLE that regular season, this year he's still a starter, shooting even more and Miami is once again underperforming. This isn't even taking in consideration all the success Miami has had outside Herro's rookie season in the playoffs without him.

I do believe so far the FO has been "good" with Herro's ego and has fed it but now you think Herro's going to limit his game for the betterment for the team that he knows has been open to trading him for certain players? No... him changing/limiting his game means he also is limiting his money in his next contract.

The Rozier acquisition is very interesting, making that trade, sending out a 1st for a multi-year contract of someone who is too small to be a good switchable defense that Miami likes to play with Bam is either an indication that they're going to try to move Herro in the offseason or they're going all in on offense meaning possibly Bam could be moved and a traditional rim protector brought in to cover up for the lack of defense on the parameter. Not enough have been made of the Rozier trade and what it means moving forward for Miami going forward, Miami doesn't make trades that they don't consider a "win", especially when sending out a 1st.

My sense is that Mia, for better or worse, is pot committed to Bam. With both Durant and Dame on the table these last two offseasons and Mia’s unwillingness to entertain Bam as a trading chip, it would seem to suggest that they view him to be untouchable.

I assume Herro is the future chip in play as he has already been offered in a package for both aforementioned players.

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Please make him the primary backup Center and ship Bryant out of here.

No one can be worse than Bryant, he shouldn't get anymore opportunities to see the floor

[KingDavid]

Not trying to call out Herro but since people think I am. These three shots were back to back to back. What was Herro thinking. He drew three players to him and decided to take that shot. Crazy how all three clips looks like identical

I am not agianst Herro taking midrangers, but these are three exactly the same bad shots with three defenders on him. That first clip where Beal scores is Martin being an idiot allowing that Beal to snowbird. When you are at the top of the three point line and your team takes a shot you have to get back and play safety preventing anyone from snowbirding. But any ways, Herro doing this three times in a row is a good reason for a coach to go insane.

Why are they popping instead of rolling to the rim...the moment Herro draws more than one defender should be an indicator to sprint to the basket. I'm usually pooping on Herro and these were bad shots, but why aren't they rolling the moment their man turns their head? I think Herro would pass to the cutters, no? Interesting.

[Bishop45]

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[Beenie]

Team needs more high iq players though, imo, guys who consistently make the correct plays.

Don’t know if lavine checks that box

Looking over the years his high scoring efficiency is enough for me. When big decisions need to be made the ball will be in Jimmys hands

Big decisions aside, moving the ball to the correct advancement in transition, knowing when to keep their dribble alive, knowing how to manipulate defenders with fakes and gestures, and in general being precise with passes and movements is what I’m referring to.

Role players on championship level teams typically possess these attributes.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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This dude is cooking himself and doesn’t even realize it

[Rapaz]

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[IceColdCubano]

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This dude is cooking himself and doesn’t even realize it

He is getting wrecked on twitter, people aren't dumb anymore everyone has quick access to stats, and cherry picking to prop up a player randomly smells like mouthpiece licker.

[IceColdCubano]

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This dude is cooking himself and doesn’t even realize it

He is getting wrecked on twitter, people aren't dumb anymore everyone has quick access to stats, and cherry picking to prop up a player randomly smells like mouthpiece licker.

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My favorite tweet right here.

[RexBoyWonder]

Looks like i'm not the only one that is totally done with Herro.

I think it's because the addition of terry makes you realize how un-special Herro is, Combined with his bad play in our time of need, after missing time again, and the final straw was the "sacrificing" remarks that showed a total lack of awareness about his game.

We really need to move on.

[KingDavid]

Crazy thing is, despite everything Bam is forced to do to give us a chance of winning, he’s get 25 a night by attacking more instead of settling for mid range jumpers just from the increase in efficiency and free throws. I think that the next step for his offense and I hope they talked about that in the session yesterday.

building around a post up big you need a point guard who knows how to get bigs the ball in the paint. One thing Lowry did extremelywell was give Bam ball until Spo took the ball out of Lowry hands

Terry is the 2nd best pick and roll handler this year, bam is a top 5 roller this year. We also need to increase that action; it makes no sense not to. Another thing that I hope they discussed yesterday

That's my biggest complaint. Why aren't we using the p&r more with Terry/Bam?

[twix2500]

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He is getting wrecked on twitter, people aren't dumb anymore everyone has quick access to stats, and cherry picking to prop up a player randomly smells like mouthpiece licker.

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My favorite tweet right here.

I don't think Barry is speaking on the behalf of the team. He speaking his opinion. I think Barry like me is not equipped (too old) to be handling social media mobs. He trying to have a discussion in a place that's set up for debate and takes.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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This dude is cooking himself and doesn’t even realize it

He is getting wrecked on twitter, people aren't dumb anymore everyone has quick access to stats, and cherry picking to prop up a player randomly smells like mouthpiece licker.

He shouldve kept quiet for sure lol

[AirP.]

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The FO has cleared his path to give him a chance to be what his ego wants him to be (which the FO did or does still believe in... think better than Booker). Miami goes to the finals, and they don't resign their starting PG (which would have cost very little and been some depth or trade piece) and handed Herro the starting PG position his 2nd year only to pull him back. 3rd year Miami's 2021 plan blew up with Giannis agreeing to the supermax and all they could get was Lowry as their prize (a lot of teams stayed away from Ball including his own team), kept Herro on the bench but kept him happy giving him starter minutes as a 6th man in which he mentioned he's "earned" being a starter and what do you know, he's a starter and Miami is HORRIBLE that regular season, this year he's still a starter, shooting even more and Miami is once again underperforming. This isn't even taking in consideration all the success Miami has had outside Herro's rookie season in the playoffs without him.

I do believe so far the FO has been "good" with Herro's ego and has fed it but now you think Herro's going to limit his game for the betterment for the team that he knows has been open to trading him for certain players? No... him changing/limiting his game means he also is limiting his money in his next contract.

The Rozier acquisition is very interesting, making that trade, sending out a 1st for a multi-year contract of someone who is too small to be a good switchable defense that Miami likes to play with Bam is either an indication that they're going to try to move Herro in the offseason or they're going all in on offense meaning possibly Bam could be moved and a traditional rim protector brought in to cover up for the lack of defense on the parameter. Not enough have been made of the Rozier trade and what it means moving forward for Miami going forward, Miami doesn't make trades that they don't consider a "win", especially when sending out a 1st.

My sense is that Mia, for better or worse, is pot committed to Bam. With both Durant and Dame on the table these last two offseasons and Mia’s unwillingness to entertain Bam as a trading chip, it would seem to suggest that they view him to be untouchable.

I assume Herro is the future chip in play as he has already been offered in a package for both aforementioned players.

I too assumed Bam and the switching defense was here to stay but bringing in a smaller scoring PG/SG isn't a move towards building with Bam except with the pick and rolls, it feels like a move in a different direction plus... Miami paid a 1st round pick to do it. So my question right now, is this a move to replace Herro's scoring and move Herro out of the starting lineup or to another team or are they leaning more into offense which you'd want not only a bigger rim protector to cover the bad defensive guys on the parameter, but a center who can help stretch the floor, for instance a guy who plays like Myles Turner or B.Lopez.

Now looking at the mindset of the franchise, Riley and Spoelstra have different philosophies on team building and I would guess with Spoelstra's extension and Riley just weeks away from 79, maybe the team building thoughts for the organization is starting to gravitate more towards Spoelstra's thinking.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Spoiler:

The FO has cleared his path to give him a chance to be what his ego wants him to be (which the FO did or does still believe in... think better than Booker). Miami goes to the finals, and they don't resign their starting PG (which would have cost very little and been some depth or trade piece) and handed Herro the starting PG position his 2nd year only to pull him back. 3rd year Miami's 2021 plan blew up with Giannis agreeing to the supermax and all they could get was Lowry as their prize (a lot of teams stayed away from Ball including his own team), kept Herro on the bench but kept him happy giving him starter minutes as a 6th man in which he mentioned he's "earned" being a starter and what do you know, he's a starter and Miami is HORRIBLE that regular season, this year he's still a starter, shooting even more and Miami is once again underperforming. This isn't even taking in consideration all the success Miami has had outside Herro's rookie season in the playoffs without him.

I do believe so far the FO has been "good" with Herro's ego and has fed it but now you think Herro's going to limit his game for the betterment for the team that he knows has been open to trading him for certain players? No... him changing/limiting his game means he also is limiting his money in his next contract.

The Rozier acquisition is very interesting, making that trade, sending out a 1st for a multi-year contract of someone who is too small to be a good switchable defense that Miami likes to play with Bam is either an indication that they're going to try to move Herro in the offseason or they're going all in on offense meaning possibly Bam could be moved and a traditional rim protector brought in to cover up for the lack of defense on the parameter. Not enough have been made of the Rozier trade and what it means moving forward for Miami going forward, Miami doesn't make trades that they don't consider a "win", especially when sending out a 1st.

My sense is that Mia, for better or worse, is pot committed to Bam. With both Durant and Dame on the table these last two offseasons and Mia’s unwillingness to entertain Bam as a trading chip, it would seem to suggest that they view him to be untouchable.

I assume Herro is the future chip in play as he has already been offered in a package for both aforementioned players.

I too assumed Bam and the switching defense was here to stay but bringing in a smaller scoring PG/SG isn't a move towards building with Bam except with the pick and rolls, it feels like a move in a different direction plus... Miami paid a 1st round pick to do it. So my question right now, is this a move to replace Herro's scoring and move Herro out of the starting lineup or to another team or are they leaning more into offense which you'd want not only a bigger rim protector to cover the bad defensive guys on the parameter, but a center who can help stretch the floor, for instance a guy who plays like Myles Turner or B.Lopez.

Now looking at the mindset of the franchise, Riley and Spoelstra have different philosophies on team building and I would guess with Spoelstra's extension and Riley just weeks away from 79, maybe the team building thoughts for the organization is starting to gravitate more towards Spoelstra's thinking.

You all are overthinking it WAY too much lol

[KingDavid]

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Barry is out in full force, doing the teams bidding, sending out the bat signal to leave Tyler Herro alone. We have enough.....

....and where do those two teams currently stand? C'mon Barry.

[twix2500]

building around a post up big you need a point guard who knows how to get bigs the ball in the paint. One thing Lowry did extremelywell was give Bam ball until Spo took the ball out of Lowry hands

Terry is the 2nd best pick and roll handler this year, bam is a top 5 roller this year. We also need to increase that action; it makes no sense not to. Another thing that I hope they discussed yesterday

That's my biggest complaint. Why aren't we using the p&r more with Terry/Bam?

Some things need to be reestablished. Herro and Bam are shooting bricks and the defense is sitting in the paint. Like the image i showed of Herro. Three defenders dropping back. They are defending the drive or the lob. Oppose to when Duncan is in the game, you have two defenders out beyond the 3 point line.

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