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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1321 » by Cmon_Son-_- » Mon Feb 8, 2016 11:18 pm

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To a part of the fan base Whiteside is almost equivalent to Antony Davis. For realz. I think part of the reason is they ignore he's 26 YO and just focus on the fact he's very inexperienced. Yes he has some room to grow, more then a normal 26YO, but a lot less then a normal 21-22 YO. And they Ignore the clear attitude issues.

For most of the fan base he's a prospect closer to DeAndre Jordan because we're optimistic about his weaknesses.

From everything I see, I believe that for Spo, Wade and Bosh he's the equivalent of Jonas Valanciunas/Nikola Vucevic. meaning a good player, with real flaws, not a max player, Isn't a lock to get big minutes every night, and isn't a huge part of what we're doing.

Idk I think Spo,Wade and Bosh want him to be Deandre Jordan. I think they see him as a max player but in order to keep it going he needs to play the role that is given to him. I don't see anywhere else in the league where he could play and it'll be any different.


Look at what we're doing with Justise. He's a 19YO rook and he's playing 4th quarters regularly. Despite having Deng, and despite him being locked up under contract for 4 years.

Now look at Hassan. He's becoming a free agent, and regularly gets benched in 4th quarters.

Are we gonna bench our max player? is he going to dramatically improve from now to the start of next season when he'll make 21 Mil if we give the max?

It doesn't look like we're seeing him as a max player.

Also, If he's not willing to "play the role" now, before the big contract, It's not likely he'll suddenly accept that role after being given 90 Mil$.

Look at Deandre, or even Tristan Thompson these guys make the max or near it but that because of market instead of cant miss ability. Whiteside is gonna get the max or near it but that doesn't mean his role is gonna change. If benching him in the 4th to go small is our best closing lineup you got to roll with it. Roles change but whether he's on this team or not next year I don't see his role changing that much on another team.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1322 » by Rich2Hassan » Mon Feb 8, 2016 11:42 pm

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Cmon_Son-_- wrote:Idk I think Spo,Wade and Bosh want him to be Deandre Jordan. I think they see him as a max player but in order to keep it going he needs to play the role that is given to him. I don't see anywhere else in the league where he could play and it'll be any different.

How do they want him to be Deandre Jordan???, When they treat him like Ryan Hollins!! DeAndre Jordan actually gets some plays ran for him, see lastnight. They treat Hassan like a straight up bum, so i don't buy that BS. Bosh is jealous of him and idk what Wade's problem is. Spo kisses up to Bosh & Wade so he will roll with whatever they want, "Amare starting". Someone explain to me how is it ok for Amare to get plays ran and touches, but Hassan none???

Deandre jordan getting an alley oop from Chris Paul doesn't not equal getting plays called for him. Why the hell would Bosh be jealous of whiteside? Why reach to make a point. If these guys hated Whiteside he wouldn't be on the team. You treat him like he's AD or Drummond but he's not.

Look at Bosh's comments about Hassan lately...He is jealous. And no i treat Hassan like he's Hassan, a shotblocking, defense anchoring, decent scoring center who needs some more work. I just don't buy into the narrative that most of you are buying into, so it is easy for me to come off as someone who thinks Hassan is above everything. I see the BS and i'm calling people (players, ethan Skolnick, posters, coaches) out on it. It's only a few of us that posts on this forum that knows Hassan's true value (Bourne, gom, cyclix, etc.) and it would be a travesty to lose him.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1323 » by cyclix » Mon Feb 8, 2016 11:45 pm

Bosh is definitely jealous of Hassan. I don't think Wade is, however.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1324 » by Bishop45 » Mon Feb 8, 2016 11:48 pm

We're using the term jealous very loosely, rite? How would anyone of us really know
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1325 » by gom » Tue Feb 9, 2016 12:33 am

Bourne85 wrote:You couldn't pay me to believe he is going to stay here. This team, specifically the coach, are treating him as a Beasley. Constantly talking negative about him, how he doesn't cheer, how he pouts, how this or that ridiculous stat shows we are better without him, how he needs to learn to enjoy others success, how he needs to stop worrying about his stats, how he needs to embrace a bench role, how he needs to be ok being benched in the 4th qt or late in games etc etc the list goes on an on.

IMO the damage has been done. Hassan is human like everyone else. What would a normal human do in a position like this? A position which, NO MATTER WHAT he is getting paid. Be it heat, or any other team in the league that wants him. The Ball is on HIS court. SO whats gonna happen? He will continue to answer questions like he did yesterday. "me and coach have talked enough, nothing else to say". He is holding grudges. And come the offseason he is gonna give us all a big F U. Now we will have lost the best shot blocking/ rim protector in the league.

And for what? To win (lose is a better term) some meaningless games in a season that the title was handed out 1 week into the season. A season, that no matter HOW we play, how many meaningless regular season games we win, or how many we lose, the outcome to the year was never in question or never in DOUBT. We are a playoff team. We are no where near a title threat. We are a 1st or 2nd round exit. This is not OPINION, this is FACT like it or not.

THIS season should have always been about a few important things, and never about trying to win a title. This season should of been tailored to please Hassan. He should NEVER have been BENCHED a SINGLE time. All these negative reports should have never happened. Hasbeens like Wade should keep their mouth shut and stop poking the Bear. Stop treating him like a scrub, like a lil kid, like the next RIO or Beasley and started treating him with some damn RESPECT. We should of been running plays for him much more per game. We should of been establishing a system that plays to HIS strengths and the strengths of the team. Instead, what do u see? A lot of BS pathetic small ball attempts that end in LOSSES. What else do you see? Benching of Hassan in 4th quarters that lead to Losses about 90% of the time.

This season was meant to woo Him. This season was meant to gauge what WADE has in the tank. What his next contract should be. This season was meant to DEVELOP Justise Winslow.

The Heat and specifically Spo have ruined this season. We have pushed Whiteside to the point where I don't see any way he stays. And it will go down as a HUGE mistake. Even the Whiteside haters have to know that letting him walk is DUMB. He would of been at the very minimum a huge trade piece. Now we will be left with NOTHING. And a HOLE at the C spot, AGAIN. A hole that for YEARSSSSSSS we wanted a C. Well we found him, and we pushed him away.

Overreation you say? Well, we will see now wont we...


We've lived with a hole at center since Mourning & Shaquille O'Neal. We got Whiteside.
The hole at PG was a perennial feature too. Dragic hasn't yet convinced me, but I wouldn't throw in the towel. He still might be the solution.

Anyway, I agree with Bourne here. If we lose Whiteside because of these issues, we have missed a great opportunity.

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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1326 » by goodboy » Tue Feb 9, 2016 1:01 am

Such a chitty thread, why did I even click.

Now we're talking about Jealousy from Bosh LMAO.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1327 » by Rich2Hassan » Tue Feb 9, 2016 1:18 am

HeatWillRise wrote:Such a chitty thread, why did I even click.

Now we're talking about Jealousy from Bosh LMAO.

We're talking about everything under the moon involving Hassan, including his Snap Chat that the team don't want him using which is pointless, many athletes use it. So why not? :lol:
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1328 » by Tony15 » Tue Feb 9, 2016 1:53 am

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The one guy on this team besides Bosh that's worth keeping
. Doesn't matter, its too late for it. He is a goner. Lets enjoy overpaying for over the hill hasbeens that use to be superstars

Awesome. Is he worth keeping for max $$$? The Heat, who know a helluva lot more than we do, don't seem to think so.


I have a funny feeling we will also be offering the Max, he is just not gonna accept it.

Based on what though? As Rex has posted in far more colorful words, the Heat haven't shown an inkling of evidence to even imply that they see him as a max player. In fact, LeBatard has connections to the team, and he's said more than a handful of times that they don't think he's a max player. Now could that change if Hassan consistently does the little things that lead to winning? Sure. But not as of now. As for the DeAndre Jordan comparison, the Clippers actually run plays for him because Jordan knows what his role on the team is (set the pick, roll to the basket, and on defense, rebound). We all know Hassan is much more capable than that, but for this team, DeAndre Jordan is all we want and need him to be. Hassan hasn't seen it that way, and that's where the problem lies. And anyway, only Wade has shown the ability to actually get him the ball consistently, and Udrih on occasion, Bosh too. Dragic is guy that needs to find that connection w/ him. You're not gonna go very far by dumping it into the post and letting him go to work. There's no disputing that, no matter how much you want to prop him up and the second coming.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1329 » by Lord Hades » Tue Feb 9, 2016 2:26 am

HeatWillRise wrote:Such a chitty thread, why did I even click.

Now we're talking about Jealousy from Bosh LMAO.

Yeah, Bosh with his two rings, 11 All-Star nods, 20M+ salary and future HoF status is jealous of Hassan. Makes total sense. Old Man Bosh wanting the guy who's barely played 100 games in the league to get off his lawn. FOH.

What the ****, people? :crazy:
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1330 » by Rich2Hassan » Tue Feb 9, 2016 2:32 am

Lol.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1331 » by Lord Hades » Tue Feb 9, 2016 2:42 am

I do wish we'd get the full read on just what Hassan can do on a consistent basis (outside of the noted rebounding and shotblocking),at least by season's end. In no way does the offense need to be run through him, but he could be more involved. His pick and roll defense needs to be better, like the screens (Jesus), but overall, he's a plus.

All that said, I can't see him resigning; because of more money offered somewhere else or just preference to fit. I'd be pissed with some of the ongoings here, right or wrong.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1332 » by NBADraft2003 » Tue Feb 9, 2016 2:45 am

Once again, thread needs to be trashed. It's getting pretty ridiculous in here...

Edit: I also have a problem with them treating Hassan like he's a damn baby, let him Snapchat(D-Wade does it and I'm sure a lot more guys in the locker room does too.) Like a week ago, Ethan said that whenever Hassan talks to the media, some of the team officials hover around the area so he doesn't say anything that they won't agree with. Some of us also have to stop parading around here like he's the next coming of 2001 Shaquille O'Neal...
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1333 » by Hoops23 » Tue Feb 9, 2016 3:14 am

when posters dont like a thread or go against their liking, should it be trashed?
Hmmmmm.......
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1334 » by NBADraft2003 » Tue Feb 9, 2016 3:19 am

Hoops23 wrote:when posters dont like a thread or go against their liking, should it be trashed?
Hmmmmm.......

All this thread is doing is causing ridiculous bickering, just nonsense.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1335 » by QUIZ » Tue Feb 9, 2016 3:34 am

I'm gonna un-sticky it for a while. Carry on.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1336 » by NBADraft2003 » Tue Feb 9, 2016 3:37 am

QUIZ wrote:I'm gonna un-sticky it for a while. Carry on.

Let it fall off the face of this Earth...
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1337 » by IggieCC » Tue Feb 9, 2016 3:39 am

QUIZ wrote:I'm gonna un-sticky it for a while. Carry on.

Can you sticky my mid-season grading thread instead QUIZ? I don't think it got the recognition it deserves lol

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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1338 » by NBADraft2003 » Tue Feb 9, 2016 3:54 am

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QUIZ wrote:I'm gonna un-sticky it for a while. Carry on.

Can you sticky my mid-season grading thread instead QUIZ? I don't think it got the recognition it deserves lol

much appreciate :)

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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1339 » by Flash4thewin » Tue Feb 9, 2016 4:43 am

Bosh is more emotional but I think he is not jealous at all. Bosh is more of a I'm here to pick up my pay check type of player. Wins losses don't matter because he has his mad contract and has two rings. No real fire.

Wade has more fire but not to much either. For Wade every dollar that goes toward player X is a dollar less for him. Not implying just stating the obvious
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#1340 » by Chalm Down » Tue Feb 9, 2016 4:58 am

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QUIZ wrote:I'm gonna un-sticky it for a while. Carry on.

Can you sticky my mid-season grading thread instead QUIZ? I don't think it got the recognition it deserves lol

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