Miami HEAT Offseason/Trades/FA Thread: Sardine Central

Bishop45 · Post #1322 » by **Bishop45** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:30 pm

inhee for the 2-way contracts that become available for the new CBA, call up Beno and the goons

contract · Post #1323 » by **contract** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:33 pm

Cmon_Son-_- wrote:You can't call Blake a bad defender then prop up JJ's defense when the numbers show its not much better.

A little better at this, and a little better at that, and a little better at this other thing, isn't a little better, it's a lot better.

Flash4thewin · Post #1324 » by **Flash4thewin** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:35 pm

BFRESH44 wrote:
Flash4thewin wrote:
BFRESH44 wrote:Tyler Johnson's contract is single most overstated thing on this entire board. We really need stop collectively peddling this narrative that is he some albatross, because it's simply not true.

TJ is an ascending asset. This is not someone trending downward. He's an athletic, 25 year old combo guard, that is a plus defender that can shoot the 3 at a 38% clip. There is tremendous value for young plus defenders that can shoot 3 at an efficient clip in today's league. This notion that he is some complete albatross is ridiculous. If TJ was an unrestricted free agent in this current free agent market, he would get the same 50 MM over 4 years that he got last year.

He's going to be "bad value" in terms of his salary cap hit, for all of one season. Because if he continues on the trend he's been on, he's almost a near lock to opt out of last year of his deal, to cash in on more years of security. And we will be very fortunate to have his full bird rights by then.

One can try to spin it but the basic question is TJ worth 20 mil a year? The answer is no, that simple. We chose to match this and yes it is a bad contract. He is a negative because of his contract. TJ will need draft picks to be moved. In order for us to rebuild or try to contend we can not give TJ a bench player 20 mil a year. TJ at 12 mil is ok but at a cap hit of 20 mil no way and thats the sad reality of it. The part i love about this story is TJ could have taken the same contract but spead out evenly at 12+ mil but chose not too so he wont get traded. That says it all basically.

Tyler Johnson doesn't make "20 million a year". Stop with the fake news, bro. His annual average is 12.5 over 4, with a back loaded cap structure. As it presently stands now, that cap structure BENEFITS the Heat today, as we'd have less cap space to work with this summer, had he taken the deal that was evenly spread. You can't whine about the 19.2 million, but fail to acknowledge the insanely good cap hit the team presently has for $5.8 million.

It helps us today but kills us tomorrow. Fine is TJ worth a cap hit of 19.2 mil ? Again the answer is no. Will TJ get paid 19.2+ mil for the last two seasons? Yes.

This is no fake news just hard reality. You are trying to spin it as a 12.5 contract when it clearly is not. This is a poison pill contract by design. Let’s call a spade a spade, this is a poison pill contract, nothing about that is fake news.

Dr_Heat · Post #1325 » by **Dr_Heat** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:36 pm

Read on Twitter

Rapaz · Post #1326 » by **Rapaz** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:37 pm

James Johnson wrote:“I'm one of the guys that after the roster is filled, then OK, we have enough to bring him. It's a different position I'm in, but I'm used to waiting. The Miami Heat doesn't make mistakes. They're going to bring in who they think we can win with and I'm all for it.”

“I've never experienced family this close, this fast, an organization like this that really brings out the best in me and allows me to bring out the best in my players and my teammates and that's all you can ask for.”

Give this guy all of our cap space. All of it.

contract · Post #1327 » by **contract** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:40 pm

islandHEAT wrote:The deal has already been made...

"Johnson said he has no visits scheduled with any teams and hasn’t spoken to the Heat recently about his future, though Heat president Pat Riley has publicly expressed a desire to retain him."

Read on Twitter

JJ is just begging to get taken advantage of. Watch him take less to stay ... and then have his role change when we add another playmaker.

Mos_Heat · Post #1328 » by **Mos_Heat** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:44 pm

contract wrote:
islandHEAT wrote:The deal has already been made...

"Johnson said he has no visits scheduled with any teams and hasn’t spoken to the Heat recently about his future, though Heat president Pat Riley has publicly expressed a desire to retain him."

Read on Twitter

JJ is just begging to get taken advantage of. Watch him take less to stay ... and then have his role change when we add another playmaker.

His role will be reduced with healthy Winny and Bam Bam, no question

greg4012 · Post #1329 » by **greg4012** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:46 pm

contract wrote:
islandHEAT wrote:The deal has already been made...

"Johnson said he has no visits scheduled with any teams and hasn’t spoken to the Heat recently about his future, though Heat president Pat Riley has publicly expressed a desire to retain him."

Read on Twitter

JJ is just begging to get taken advantage of. Watch him take less to stay ... and then have his role change when we add another playmaker.

Relax. If we succeed in signing Hayward, then the ideal scenario is we bring back JJ. Waiters walks.

In such a scenario, we replaced Waiters' onball game with that of Hayward who can thrive both as a ballhandler and off-ball player. We keep JJ coming off the bench and leading the 2nd unit as the primary playmaker when Dragic is on the bench.

How does his role change?

Feel_the_Heat15 · Post #1330 » by **Feel_the_Heat15** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:46 pm

Lottery picks from Kentucky over the last 10 years have rarely become bust.

http://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/conferences/Southeastern-Conference/8/Kentucky/258/nba-draft

Adebayo's more likely to be a star than a rotational player.

jereseja · Post #1331 » by **jereseja** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:57 pm

A Bleacher Fan Source Claims Gordon Hayward Has Plans To Sign Somewhere, But Not Where You Expect

Gordon Hayward will be one of the most coveted free agents come July 1st. Rumors have been swirling about him leaving Utah for almost two years now. Why? Because he’s good and it’s Utah. Hayward can be a huge piece on a contending team. There are a few teams that can afford him but only really a group of three teams that he’ll really consider.

A return to Utah, a reunion with his college coach in Boston or the Sunny Beaches and sorcerer like abilities of Pat Riley in Miami.

Now it’s not often we at Bleacher Fan break any news, and that’s not what we’re doing here, but we do have the occasional connection. A source you might say. Speaking under anonymity (obviously), the source recently spoke directly with an active NBA GM about Gordon Haywards plans next season. The source confirmed Gordon Hayward if given the max contract offer plans to sign with the Miami Heat. Not what you expected right? Well, there’s a reason that goes beyond basketball. The source also indicated the reasoning behind the choice is Hayward’s wife, who is reportedly opening up her new business in Maimi. We were not provided details on the business but some quick research shows she’s in the beauty industry, so possibly some sort of Salon, if I had to take an educated guess.

People tend to forget these people have families that are taken into account when you’re moving across the country. When you’re getting paid the same amount of money in both places, other factors outside of basketball come into play. If Hayward had chosen or intended to choose Boston come July 1, I’m not sure why his wife would be opening a business in Miami. They have salons in Boston.

Despite the opportunity for a great reunion in Boston, it makes sense why they wouldn’t go after Hayward. They just drafted two small forwards back to back years in the top 3. If Tatum of Brown turns into anything the Celtics hope for then Hayward’s services won’t be that valuable to them. They need to improve their bench depth and their frontline. Their money would be much better spent going after someone to play alongside Horford. Even splitting that money up and adding 2-3 top-tier role players to really sure up their bench.

Hayward has already scheduled his first meeting, with guess who? Pat Riley and the Miami Heat. Sure, Boston and Utah are on the list, but Miami is first. Not a bad sign for our first crack at insider info.

Miami will have a TON of cap space this summer. With Bosh’s contract finally coming off the books and some quick cap maneuvering they will have the money to go after both Blake Griffin and Gordon Hayward. Riley is the best in the game at shedding cap space. He cleared ALL of the space to sign the Big 3 in 2010 in a matter of…..one night.

Miami wouldn’t even need to make crazy deals. A simple and easy trading of Josh McRoberts and Tyler Johnson will get them in the ballpark. From there maybe one of them decides to take a slightly less amount to make it happen. Similar to the deals structured of Lebron and Wade in 2010. Yeah, people might automatically think Boston is better because of their success last year. But I gotta tell you, that Miami team plus Griffin and Hayward or that Boston team with their FA money spent on someone not named Hayward, I’ll take that Miami team all day.

http://bleacherfan.com/a-bleacher-fan-source-claims-gordon-hayward-has-plans-to-sign-somewhere-but-not-where-you-expect/

EMC5466 · Post #1332 » by **EMC5466** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:57 pm

Sounds like JJ is back regardless. Gotta love the homeless assassin.

islandHEAT · Post #1333 » by **islandHEAT** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:04 pm

2 things I think are worth considering:

How does Hayward tell his college coach Brad Stevens "No"?

If Pat is going for Hayward you know the intent is to get him AND keep Dion and JJ.

jereseja · Post #1334 » by **jereseja** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:08 pm

Read on Twitter

Post #1335 » by **DayofMourning** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:09 pm

JJ, Waiters, Bam and Hayward. Good off season.

J-House · Post #1336 » by **J-House** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:09 pm

Sign Hayward then re-sign JJ:
Dragic/FA
TJ/Richardson/Ellington
Hayward/Winslow/McGruder
JJ/Bam
Whiteside/FA/UD

Mos_Heat · Post #1337 » by **Mos_Heat** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:10 pm

I guess, I'm with Bish. More interested in SL

J-House · Post #1338 » by **J-House** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:12 pm

islandHEAT wrote:2 things I think are worth considering:

How does Hayward tell his college coach Brad Stevens "No"?

If Pat is going for Hayward you know the intent is to get him AND keep Dion and JJ.

I don't really know Hayward and Stevens' relationship. Are they still close? If not than it wouldn't be a big deal seeing as Hayward has been a pro for 7 years.

twix2500 · Post #1339 » by **twix2500** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:20 pm

islandHEAT wrote:2 things I think are worth considering:

How does Hayward tell his college coach Brad Stevens "No"?

If Pat is going for Hayward you know the intent is to get him AND keep Dion and JJ.

Yall taking the college coach thing too seriously. Lol these are grown ash men.

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twozeroMM · Post #1340 » by **twozeroMM** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:21 pm

islandHEAT wrote:2 things I think are worth considering:

How does Hayward tell his college coach Brad Stevens "No"?

If Pat is going for Hayward you know the intent is to get him AND keep Dion and JJ.

Yes I know he has a relationship with Brad. But that was years ago, a random kid from Indiana. He's a star now, an established player in this league. He knows he has options.