MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[MettaWorldPanda]

Tyler Herro and Achuiwa is our best offer for Sexton. Is that enough for the Cavs? Looks like Cavs are getting ready to take Green at #3. Achuiwa would be a pretty bad fit next to Allen. They already have a similar better player in Nance Jr. We also have no picks.

[DayofMourning]

I’m not sure who it’s going to be for but Dragic finds his way on the Mavs this year with Luka. Either for Porzingis or S&T Hardaway Jr.

You're sitting on top of the wagon, waving the flag furiously for Kristaps broseph. I'm pulling for you. Dinwiddie, Kristaps, Rabb. Let's do it.

[HEATVols865]

This team needs Luke Babbitt, Sean Lampley, Tang Hamilton, Rodney Buford and Chris Quinn


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[MettaWorldPanda]

I’m not sure who it’s going to be for but Dragic finds his way on the Mavs this year with Luka. Either for Porzingis or S&T Hardaway Jr.

You're sitting on top of the wagon, waving the flag furiously for Kristaps broseph. I'm pulling for you. Dinwiddie, Kristaps, Rabb. Let's do it.

I’m a little meh on Dinwiddie. Want a better 3 point shooter at that PG spot. Let’s not forget Markkannan too

[mg]

Tyler Herro and Achuiwa is our best offer for Sexton. Is that enough for the Cavs? Looks like Cavs are getting ready to take Green at #3. Achuiwa would be a pretty bad fit next to Allen. They already have a similar better player in Nance Jr. We also have no picks.

You never know. Cavs GM Koby Altman isn't exactly Pat Riley when it comes to running an NBA franchise.

[dean456]

PG: Lowry - Nunn - Oladipo
SG: Alexander - Walker - Herro
SF: Butler
PF: Adebayo
Ce: Adams

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I would be impressed if the Raptors take that trade. Reality is they laugh at that offer while hanging up the phone.

Raptors can not like it all they want. Lowry is a free agent if he wants to leave they will just get nothing. Toronto doesn't have leverage in a trade for Lowry. If Lowry says he wants to go to the Heat the Raptors should be happy that he chose a place that wants to facilitate a S&T to get him that way they can get something rather than nothing.

If Miami really want to, they have the ability to straight up sign Lowry without trading Toronto anything, but they'd be willing to part with Precious and Dragic to have more flexibility to do other moves.

[RexBoyWonder]

We don't have the assets for the guys I really want but we MIGHT have the assets for guys that can blow up here :

Christin wood
Sexton
Bagley

That's the kind of names we should target - young guys with some question marks but real upside.

We should NOT settle for the Lowry/Steven Adams/Lonzo Ball of the world - WE'RE NOT A COPULE OF SOLID PLAYERS AWAY FROM CONTENDING. WE NEED A LEGIT TALENT ADDITION. Talented SCORERS are our biggest need.

[RexBoyWonder]

How would you feel about :

Dragic + Iggy + Herro

For

K.Love + Sexton

Love has 2 years left, but he might bounce back some playing for a legit team. On paper he's a fit. He put up 18 and 9 the season before last.

Sexton
Duncan
Jimmy
Love
Bam

[Hallstar]

Lol, let's go get a 6'1 SG that was a looter in a riot. Gotta love the Heat

[dean456]

How would you feel about :

Dragic + Iggy + Herro

For

K.Love + Sexton

Love has 2 years left, but he might bounce back some playing for a legit team. On paper he's a fit. He put up 18 and 9 the season before last.

Sexton
Duncan
Jimmy
Love
Bam

I'd prefer Sexton and Nance Jr. That way we can use Dragic in another deal. Might take something like Herro, Precious, Iggy for Sexton and Nance Jr but I think I'd be down with that.

Then try get a commitment from someone like Tim Hardaway Jr then S&T for him with Dragic and whatever else we can put together.

Re sign Robinson and maybe Nunn if his salary is reasonable. Try re-up Oladipo on a small prove it deal. Ariza and Dedmond to Vet Mins, sign a backup big with BAE and a security Wing for Oladipo with the MLE.

Sexton/Nunn??/Vincent
Hardaway Jr/Robinson/Strus
Butler/MLE/Oladipo
Nance Jr/Ariza/Okpala
Bam/Dedmond/BAE

[puppa bear]

Lol, let's go get a 6'1 SG that was a looter in a riot. Gotta love the Heat

PG who’s taller than CP & Lowry, the same height as Trae & Conley. He’s not exactly a midget. His stats are very similar to Trae’s, except for three key elements: less 3s, less FTs & better D. His D has improved each year, while playing out of position.

If we can switch Herro for Sexton I think we get a bump from that roster spot. Jimmy will feed his defensive hunger & his shot selection will improve.

Getting a PF will be the tiger part of the offseason.

[Kobewade11]

I think Sexton is a decent young player, but if the premise is “win now” what makes him anymore of a win now player than Herro? At least Herro has somewhat proven himself in big games. We need to take a real look at the current power structure in the East and realize a move like that doesnt catapult us into the same stratosphere as Brooklyn, Milwaukee, or even Atlanta.

If Jimmy really wants to win now he should lock himself in the gym and come back with a 3 ball. Because right now one of the biggest handicaps we have is that our two best players cant shoot, or are afraid to shoot.

[dean456]

Lol, let's go get a 6'1 SG that was a looter in a riot. Gotta love the Heat

Sexton may be looting in a riot but he's still a very talented young guard. For a 22yo I think he's on a pretty good trajectory. I think he would thrive in a winning program. Booker was looting in a riot for many years but look at him now.

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[RexBoyWonder]

Reason I'd do a Herro for Sexton trade :

1) Sexton is more "win now" ready. He put up 24 PPG on good efficiency last year on a bad team.

2) I have a lot less defensive concenrs about him. Herro is awful on defense, Sexton is probably a plus defender in our system.

3) Rumblings are Herro lost focus. Sexton looks like a classic Heat player, guy is hard nosed and intense.

4) He's improved considerably every year, I think he'll continue to get better here.

5) Allows us to keep Duncan next to him. Herro can't play next to Duncan IMO.

[Kobewade11]

5) Allows us to keep Duncan next to him. Herro can't play next to Duncan IMO.

This is a big part of our problem right here, trying to feature a one-dimensional player as a vital offensive piece. Duncan should be coming off the bench if anything, he's nobody to be worried about who can play next to him. Only time a guy like that should be in your starting lineup is if you have two supreme scorers which we don't.

[HeatingUp3]

Lol Sexton? You think SEXTON is your "win now" answer? I rather keep Herro thank you very much. Keep him until a REAL star will be available. You don't trade your best asset for a Collin Sexton.

[HeatingUp3]

We are not that desperate we waited so much for Giannis for nothing. Have to be smart with our next move. We don't have picks and many assets. Have to play safe

[Flash4thewin]

PG: Lowry - Nunn - Oladipo
SG: Alexander - Walker - Herro
SF: Butler
PF: Adebayo
Ce: Adams

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I would be impressed if the Raptors take that trade. Reality is they laugh at that offer while hanging up the phone.

Raptors can not like it all they want. Lowry is a free agent if he wants to leave they will just get nothing. Toronto doesn't have leverage in a trade for Lowry. If Lowry says he wants to go to the Heat the Raptors should be happy that he chose a place that wants to facilitate a S&T to get him that way they can get something rather than nothing.

If Miami really want to, they have the ability to straight up sign Lowry without trading Toronto anything, but they'd be willing to part with Precious and Dragic to have more flexibility to do other moves.

The Raptor are perfectly fine with letting him walk. They will facilitate a trade on there terms, the trade deadline made that perfectly clear. Either we give them what they want, or we need to renounce basically everyone and hope Lowry is ok with signing for the 23 mil we will have.

Let’s not forget Butler also wants help… and it’s not like Butler hasn’t been patient with the front office…
It’s not like Butler has a history of forcing his way out…
Just good for thought…

[RexBoyWonder]

5) Allows us to keep Duncan next to him. Herro can't play next to Duncan IMO.

This is a big part of our problem right here, trying to feature a one-dimensional player as a vital offensive piece. Duncan should be coming off the bench if anything, he's nobody to be worried about who can play next to him. Only time a guy like that should be in your starting lineup is if you have two supreme scorers which we don't.

Well the Duncan issue starts from out stars issue.

We're the only team in league that has 2 stars that don't shoot 3's and don't even shoot a lot of mid rangers. Having Bam and Jimmy almost forces you to have a great shooter at guard to provide some spacing.

TBH I kinda hate how this roster is constructed, I like our players but If I was a GM I'd built a team completely opposite - I'd start with 2 stars that love to shoot 3's and that are natural scorers. Then I'd try to add around them, probably with a huge defensive C, and a couple of 3&D players.

Ideally I'd want to start a roster with :

PG : a 3 level scorer, couldn't care less about his defense. Just want to shoot a lot of '3 at high clip, high BBIQ and gets to the line.

SG : a limited offensive player, athletic, 3&D hard nosed SG. Guys like Lu Dort, Marcus Smart.

SF : A star 3 level scorer. Like a Jimmy if he remembers how to shoot again. Or a Tatum/Ingram/Beal/Harden type.

PF : A versatile solid big that plays both ends. Like a Miles Bridges, Or a Bam if he starts shooting, Or John Collins type.

C : A limited C that is mobile, protects the rim, rebounds, plays hard and can finish Inside. Like a Clint Capela/Jarret Allen/Jonas Valanciunas/.


That's the smart way t build for winning in today's NBA IMO.

The closest lineup I think we could fill for that mold is :

PG : Sexton : he gets to the line, he's a good 3 point shooter, he's a high volume scorer. Passing and IQ need work, but at least he's a capable defender.

SG : Duncan : elite shooting somewhat compensate for bad defense. Hope is he continues to improve on defense and becomes average.

SF : The Hope is Jimmy fixes his broken shot and goes back to being a 3 level scorer. 2 reasons : So he doesn't have to work so hard for every bucket + so he provides much needed spacing for Bam and the new Center.

PF : The hope is Bam starts shooting a lot more, and becomes a more aggressive scorer. He's close to being a consistent mid range shooter, but who knows about the 3's.

C : I have no hopes. Dedmon was surprisingly good, But you can't count on him as a starter. Guys like Prozingis make too much money and are too risky. C.Wood will demand assets we don't have. I don't see an easy answer here, If it was up to me, assuming Bam really comes back a legit shooter - I'd try to find the biggest most athletic 7 footer free agent and try to make him a poor man's Capela.


If you don't believe In Bam's shooting, the other solution would be to Keep Bam at C and bring in a legit stretch 4. Those are hard to find, but in the suggest Sexton trade we also take a gamble on Kevin Love who can be that if he can bounce back.

[RexBoyWonder]

In the last 3 season Lowry averages 16 PPG.

He's also getting old fast.

I don't care how smart he is or what a winner he is (he's both of those) - we just can't win with that kind of modest scoring from our PG. Not with that roster.