**NBA Draft Discussion 2024**

[lastb1ckman]

I see Holmes on the Heat out the gate playing back up C. At the minimum I can see him do what Kevin Love, Thomas Bryant, and Robinson did. Rebound, finish plays, be a big body, move the ball, shoot the occasion 3, and basically hold the fort till Bam come back in. If he actually hits and his scoring transfers, then I see him competing with Jovic for playing time next to Bam.

[DayofMourning]

Greg holdin it down for Holmes. Damn.

You got any other prospects you want to entertain us with your analysis?

[twix2500]

For visual comparisons sakes here are undersized centers in college that made it in the NBA

Bam Adebayo 6'8.75 ht without shoes, 7'2.75 wingspan

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Robert Williams III 6'8.5 ht without shoes, 7'5 wingspan

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Richaun Holmes 6'8.25 ht without shoes, 7'1.5 wingspan

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[greg4012]

For visual comparisons sakes here are undersized centers in college that made it in the NBA

Bam Adebayo 6'8.75 ht without shoes, 7'2.75 wingspan

Watch on YouTube

;t=56s

Robert Williams III 6'8.5 ht without shoes, 7'5 wingspan

Watch on YouTube

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Some others to look to should be Al Horford, Naz Reid, Jalen Smith, Pascal Siakam, Bobby Portis, Onyeka Okongwu, Wendell Carter Jr, Taylor Hendricks, Jerami Grant, Richaun Holmes, Trayce Jackson-Davis.

Holmes out-dunked all of them except Bam

[greg4012]

Greg holdin it down for Holmes. Damn.

You got any other prospects you want to entertain us with your analysis?

Kinda fascinated with his potential fit so I'm doing deep digging and it's just validating my interest. WHo else we wanna talk about? I've been settling on being most intrigued by Holmes, Collier, Carrington, Carter, Da Silva in Miami's range. I'd be hyped if the Heat workout and interview Ware and end up drafting him.

[twix2500]

For visual comparisons sakes here are undersized centers in college that made it in the NBA

Bam Adebayo 6'8.75 ht without shoes, 7'2.75 wingspan

Watch on YouTube

;t=56s

Robert Williams III 6'8.5 ht without shoes, 7'5 wingspan

Watch on YouTube

;t=22s

Some others to look to should be Al Horford, Naz Reid, Jalen Smith, Pascal Siakam, Bobby Portis, Onyeka Okongwu, Wendell Carter Jr, Taylor Hendricks, Jerami Grant, Richaun Holmes, Trayce Jackson-Davis.

Holmes out-dunked all of them except Bam

Siakam and Grant are not centers. Grant was undersized power forward. And Bobby is 6'9.5 without shoes. He is not undersized.

Took me a bit to find Holmes tapes in college. I was the only one promoting Adebayo, Holmes and Robert Williams back then lol.

[greg4012]

For visual comparisons sakes here are undersized centers in college that made it in the NBA

Bam Adebayo 6'8.75 ht without shoes, 7'2.75 wingspan

Watch on YouTube

;t=56s

Robert Williams III 6'8.5 ht without shoes, 7'5 wingspan

Watch on YouTube

;t=22s

Some others to look to should be Al Horford, Naz Reid, Jalen Smith, Pascal Siakam, Bobby Portis, Onyeka Okongwu, Wendell Carter Jr, Taylor Hendricks, Jerami Grant, Richaun Holmes, Trayce Jackson-Davis.

Holmes out-dunked all of them except Bam

Siakam and Grant are not centers. Grant was undersized power forward. And Bobby is 6'9.5 without shoes. He is not undersized.

Took me a bit to find Holmes tapes in college. I was the only one promoting Adebayo, Holmes and Robert Williams back then lol.

I don't believe Holmes' future is purely as a center either. I'm looking at size and skillset archetype and seeing how they can translate.

Al Horford didn't play center in college either, but he's been a majority center for most of his NBA career and he actually has less length than Holmes in height, wingpsan, and standing reach.

Siakam actually played most of his college minutes as the de facto center for his New Mexico State team. Yes, Bobby Portis is 0.75" taller than Holmes without shoes, but has the same standing reach and +1" wingspan. Similar hybrid big NBA role projection IMO 53% of his career minutes at PF and 46% at Center according to lineup data)

None of the players are identical, all are informative IMO

[twix2500]

Some others to look to should be Al Horford, Naz Reid, Jalen Smith, Pascal Siakam, Bobby Portis, Onyeka Okongwu, Wendell Carter Jr, Taylor Hendricks, Jerami Grant, Richaun Holmes, Trayce Jackson-Davis.

Holmes out-dunked all of them except Bam

Siakam and Grant are not centers. Grant was undersized power forward. And Bobby is 6'9.5 without shoes. He is not undersized.

Took me a bit to find Holmes tapes in college. I was the only one promoting Adebayo, Holmes and Robert Williams back then lol.

I don't believe Holmes' future is purely as a center either. I'm looking at size and skillset archetype and seeing how they can translate.

Al Horford didn't play center in college either, but he's been a majority center for most of his NBA career and he actually has less length than Holmes in height, wingpsan, and standing reach.

Siakam actually played most of his college minutes as the de facto center for his New Mexico State team. Yes, Bobby Portis is 0.75" taller than Holmes without shoes, but has the same standing reach and +1" wingspan. Similar hybrid big NBA role projection IMO 53% of his career minutes at PF and 46% at Center according to lineup data)

None of the players are identical, all are informative IMO

Da Silva spent time at center, but like Siakam neither are projected to be centers in the NBA. I thinking looking at the players who made it in the NBA being undersize all came with a unique skill set to defend multiple positions and at the sametime anchor the center spot. The purpose of posting undersize NBA centers college vids is show their athelticism in college and to forecast why it translated to the NBA. Many players can play center in college, can a player play center in college wasnt the point.

In regards to Bobby Portis not only has sufficient height but he had sufficient size to bang with the bigs in the NBA and he was and is extremely fast for his size that he could play eitehr PF or C. In 2015 the Heat were highly considering Bobby Portis. Personally I thought he was gonna be the pick if Justise didnt fall. I was pushing for Booker and Rozier and Rishaun Holmes in the 2nd back then. Portis as well as Holmes could run and move like a deer.

Do you think Holmes has the athleticism to be able to play the forward position and defend elite forwards?

[twix2500]

For visual comparisons sakes here are undersized centers in college that made it in the NBA

Bam Adebayo 6'8.75 ht without shoes, 7'2.75 wingspan

Watch on YouTube

;t=56s

Robert Williams III 6'8.5 ht without shoes, 7'5 wingspan

Watch on YouTube

;t=22s

Richaun Holmes 6'8.25 ht without shoes, 7'1.5 wingspan

Watch on YouTube

;t=59s

Another undersize center to compare Holmes too

Kevon Looney 6'8 ht without shoes, 7'3 wingspan

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[twix2500]

When it comes to centers with size, I think the Heat should highly consider Kel'El Ware AND Yves Missi.

[twix2500]

Jalen Bridges 6'6.75 forward, should be a player the Heat look at in the second round.

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[DayofMourning]

Greg holdin it down for Holmes. Damn.

You got any other prospects you want to entertain us with your analysis?

Kinda fascinated with his potential fit so I'm doing deep digging and it's just validating my interest. WHo else we wanna talk about? I've been settling on being most intrigued by Holmes, Collier, Carrington, Carter, Da Silva in Miami's range. I'd be hyped if the Heat workout and interview Ware and end up drafting him.

Carter and Da Silva could use the greg treatment for sure.

[twix2500]

Personally I think Holmes hurt himself for opting out competing agianst other nba prospects in the scrimages if he is sure of his talents. I get some of his thinking, that he may raise questions if he struggled. But those question I think were already there and needed to be put to rest.

“We didn’t really see the point in it,” Holmes said. “It’s not the best basketball just because you’re playing with people you’ve never really played with before. ... The scouts have seen us play all year. They know how we play.”

I know the Heat have for years made it mandatory that prospect played in scrimmages in their private workouts.

[twix2500]

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[dolphinatik]

Cam Christie looks very interesting, maybe not for us but e reminds me of someone I dont want to say who. He is so young but I wouldnt be surprised he he ended up having a good career.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Personally I think Holmes hurt himself for opting out competing agianst other nba prospects in the scrimages if he is sure of his talents. I get some of his thinking, that he may raise questions if he struggled. But those question I think were already there and needed to be put to rest.

“We didn’t really see the point in it,” Holmes said. “It’s not the best basketball just because you’re playing with people you’ve never really played with before. ... The scouts have seen us play all year. They know how we play.”

I know the Heat have for years made it mandatory that prospect played in scrimmages in their private workouts.

It's already been rumored that he has a promise already to be drafted in the first round. He's canceling workouts. I think he's doing just fine if that rings true. There's a number of good prospects who didn't bother participating in the combine scrimmages. I'm almost certain Jaime Jaquez Jr declined to scrimmage at the combine last year as well. If the Heat call him and ask him for a private workout and a scrimmage I don't see him declining that unless he truly does have a lottery promise. Right now it's been rumored as late 1st.

[dolphinatik]

Edit. Already posted inverview with Kel'el. I didnt see Edy as an option but wouldnt be mad at the pick if we really give him minutes.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Either the Cavs at 20 (Played college in Dayton Ohio) or Suns at 22 (His hometown team) is who i assume made a good enough promise to make Holmes cancel workouts.

[DayofMourning]

Not this drafts players but next years and the year after. The talent level here is top notch. So many players man.

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