Miami Heat 2024 Regular Season - Thread 4.0

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[KingDavid]

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This dude is cooking himself and doesn’t even realize it

They're both not entirely wrong, but that pair of tweets is a perfect example of two extremes. It should be to trust the data while keeping in mind what the gen pop appears to be seeing to keep biases in check. Both extremes are very, very prone to confirmation bias.

[Bishop45]

This feels like one of the most talented Heat teams of the past few years, we're just not playing great ball. The other teams in the East are getting much better than previous versions of themselves as well

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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This dude is cooking himself and doesn’t even realize it

They're both not entirely wrong, but that pair of tweets is a perfect example of two extremes. It should be to trust the data while keeping in mind what the gen pop appears to be seeing to keep biases in check. Both extremes are very, very prone to confirmation bias.

I’m just saying because the data shows the exact opposite of the argument he’s trying to make lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[VaDe255]

Not trying to call out Herro but since people think I am. These three shots were back to back to back. What was Herro thinking. He drew three players to him and decided to take that shot. Crazy how all three clips looks like identical

I am not agianst Herro taking midrangers, but these are three exactly the same bad shots with three defenders on him. That first clip where Beal scores is Martin being an idiot allowing that Beal to snowbird. When you are at the top of the three point line and your team takes a shot you have to get back and play safety preventing anyone from snowbirding. But any ways, Herro doing this three times in a row is a good reason for a coach to go insane.

Yes, he took a few bad Pullup 2s: Spo took a timeout after these possessions and Tyler didn't do it again.

This is his shot profile the last 8 games, they made adjustments since Jimmy returned and it is going in the right direction:



He takes 12% rim, 32% mid, 56% 3s; I would say this is almost ideal, could be even more 3s and rim attempts. Has to pick the mid rage sports better. His TS% is 54%, which should improve if he continues with this shot profile. He has been incredibly consistent as a floor spacer for them and has made 4+ 3s in 6 games and 2 twice.

I my opinion he needs to embrace his offball role even more. They really should just play him as a floor spacer always. Stagger Terry/Jimmy on ball and some relieve guys like Caleb. Tyler should just focus on C&S 3s, cuts for easy baskets and attacking closeouts with rim drives to either create a good shot for someone else or occasionally finnish there himself. If he embrace it, it will raise the ceiling of team and he could improve as a player by getting used to a more efficient shot profile, even if he wants to be on ball more in the future.

He just isn't a first option right now. Although he is not very far away, but he lacks more skills (drawing fouls is certainly one of them, which is difficult for a finness guy who rather doesn't want body contact). I don't even want him to lead the 2nd unit and come off the bench to take mid range shots, because even then he got 6th man, it was just average offense like it still is.

Also Tyler/Duncan on the court is a big nono, they should always play either of them and never at the same time, the defense is challenged enough.

[Hallstar]

Not trying to call out Herro but since people think I am. These three shots were back to back to back. What was Herro thinking. He drew three players to him and decided to take that shot. Crazy how all three clips looks like identical

I am not agianst Herro taking midrangers, but these are three exactly the same bad shots with three defenders on him. That first clip where Beal scores is Martin being an idiot allowing that Beal to snowbird. When you are at the top of the three point line and your team takes a shot you have to get back and play safety preventing anyone from snowbirding. But any ways, Herro doing this three times in a row is a good reason for a coach to go insane.

Yes, he took a few bad Pullup 2s: Spo took a timeout after these possessions and Tyler didn't do it again.

This is his shot profile the last 8 games, they made adjustments since Jimmy returned and it is going in the right direction:



He takes 12% rim, 32% mid, 56% 3s; I would say this is almost ideal, could be even more 3s and rim attempts. Has to pick the mid rage sports better. His TS% is 54%, which should improve if he continues with this shot profile. He has been incredibly consistent as a floor spacer for them and has made 4+ 3s in 6 games and 2 twice.

I my opinion he needs to embrace his offball role even more. They really should just play him as a floor spacer always. Stagger Terry/Jimmy on ball and some relieve guys like Caleb. Tyler should just focus on C&S 3s, cuts for easy baskets and attacking closeouts with rim drives to either create a good shot for someone else or occasionally finnish there himself. If he embrace it, it will raise the ceiling of team and he could improve as a player by getting used to a more efficient shot profile, even if he wants to be on ball more in the future.

He just isn't a first option right now. Although he is not very far away, but he lacks more skills (drawing fouls is certainly one of them, which is difficult for a finness guy who rather doesn't want body contact). I don't even want him to lead the 2nd unit and come off the bench to take mid range shots, because even then he got 6th man, it was just average offense like it still is.

Also Tyler/Duncan on the court is a big nono, they should always play either of them and never at the same time, the defense is challenged enough.

If Tyler taking a floater over a big is a "bad shot" now, then we're just arguing in bad faith at that point.

We don't have an offensive system. I don't know why some Heat fans can't understand that. We haven't had one in years. It's why there's always so much bs about what's needed...everyone has their own idea of what we should be doing because nobody knows what we actually ARE trying to do

Herro is already tied for 3rd in the league for made 3s/game and if he continues what's been going on the last couple games would be clear 3rd behind Luka and Steph.

How you gonna tell a player take more 3s than anything else and then go oh he had a bad shooting night because he missed a couple midrange jumpers while hitting over 40% on a 1/3 of all the team's 3s

In some Heat fans minds, that's just replaceable because they think anybody can get off 10 clean 3s a game and make 40+%

[wadenation305]

Not trying to call out Herro but since people think I am. These three shots were back to back to back. What was Herro thinking. He drew three players to him and decided to take that shot. Crazy how all three clips looks like identical

I am not agianst Herro taking midrangers, but these are three exactly the same bad shots with three defenders on him. That first clip where Beal scores is Martin being an idiot allowing that Beal to snowbird. When you are at the top of the three point line and your team takes a shot you have to get back and play safety preventing anyone from snowbirding. But any ways, Herro doing this three times in a row is a good reason for a coach to go insane.

Yes, he took a few bad Pullup 2s: Spo took a timeout after these possessions and Tyler didn't do it again.

This is his shot profile the last 8 games, they made adjustments since Jimmy returned and it is going in the right direction:



He takes 12% rim, 32% mid, 56% 3s; I would say this is almost ideal, could be even more 3s and rim attempts. Has to pick the mid rage sports better. His TS% is 54%, which should improve if he continues with this shot profile. He has been incredibly consistent as a floor spacer for them and has made 4+ 3s in 6 games and 2 twice.

I my opinion he needs to embrace his offball role even more. They really should just play him as a floor spacer always. Stagger Terry/Jimmy on ball and some relieve guys like Caleb. Tyler should just focus on C&S 3s, cuts for easy baskets and attacking closeouts with rim drives to either create a good shot for someone else or occasionally finnish there himself. If he embrace it, it will raise the ceiling of team and he could improve as a player by getting used to a more efficient shot profile, even if he wants to be on ball more in the future.

He just isn't a first option right now. Although he is not very far away, but he lacks more skills (drawing fouls is certainly one of them, which is difficult for a finness guy who rather doesn't want body contact). I don't even want him to lead the 2nd unit and come off the bench to take mid range shots, because even then he got 6th man, it was just average offense like it still is.

Also Tyler/Duncan on the court is a big nono, they should always play either of them and never at the same time, the defense is challenged enough.

If Tyler taking a floater over a big is a "bad shot" now, then we're just arguing in bad faith at that point.

We don't have an offensive system. I don't know why some Heat fans can't understand that. We haven't had one in years. It's why there's always so much bs about what's needed...everyone has their own idea of what we should be doing because nobody knows what we actually ARE trying to do

Herro is already tied for 3rd in the league for made 3s/game and if he continues what's been going on the last couple games would be clear 3rd behind Luka and Steph.

How you gonna tell a player take more 3s than anything else and then go oh he had a bad shooting night because he missed a couple midrange jumpers while hitting over 40% on a 1/3 of all the team's 3s

In some Heat fans minds, that's just replaceable because they think anybody can get off 10 clean 3s a game and make 40+%

TBF after watching the clips, those aren't floaters, those are pull-up mid-range jump shots. Different. I actually would feel better if replaced the pull-up 2, with the floater. High pick and roll with Bam if you don't get the shot, pass it off to Bam.

[KingDavid]

Not trying to call out Herro but since people think I am. These three shots were back to back to back. What was Herro thinking. He drew three players to him and decided to take that shot. Crazy how all three clips looks like identical

I am not agianst Herro taking midrangers, but these are three exactly the same bad shots with three defenders on him. That first clip where Beal scores is Martin being an idiot allowing that Beal to snowbird. When you are at the top of the three point line and your team takes a shot you have to get back and play safety preventing anyone from snowbirding. But any ways, Herro doing this three times in a row is a good reason for a coach to go insane.

Yes, he took a few bad Pullup 2s: Spo took a timeout after these possessions and Tyler didn't do it again.

This is his shot profile the last 8 games, they made adjustments since Jimmy returned and it is going in the right direction:



He takes 12% rim, 32% mid, 56% 3s; I would say this is almost ideal, could be even more 3s and rim attempts. Has to pick the mid rage sports better. His TS% is 54%, which should improve if he continues with this shot profile. He has been incredibly consistent as a floor spacer for them and has made 4+ 3s in 6 games and 2 twice.

I my opinion he needs to embrace his offball role even more. They really should just play him as a floor spacer always. Stagger Terry/Jimmy on ball and some relieve guys like Caleb. Tyler should just focus on C&S 3s, cuts for easy baskets and attacking closeouts with rim drives to either create a good shot for someone else or occasionally finnish there himself. If he embrace it, it will raise the ceiling of team and he could improve as a player by getting used to a more efficient shot profile, even if he wants to be on ball more in the future.

He just isn't a first option right now. Although he is not very far away, but he lacks more skills (drawing fouls is certainly one of them, which is difficult for a finness guy who rather doesn't want body contact). I don't even want him to lead the 2nd unit and come off the bench to take mid range shots, because even then he got 6th man, it was just average offense like it still is.

Also Tyler/Duncan on the court is a big nono, they should always play either of them and never at the same time, the defense is challenged enough.

If Tyler taking a floater over a big is a "bad shot" now, then we're just arguing in bad faith at that point.

We don't have an offensive system. I don't know why some Heat fans can't understand that. We haven't had one in years. It's why there's always so much bs about what's needed...everyone has their own idea of what we should be doing because nobody knows what we actually ARE trying to do

Herro is already tied for 3rd in the league for made 3s/game and if he continues what's been going on the last couple games would be clear 3rd behind Luka and Steph.

How you gonna tell a player take more 3s than anything else and then go oh he had a bad shooting night because he missed a couple midrange jumpers while hitting over 40% on a 1/3 of all the team's 3s

In some Heat fans minds, that's just replaceable because they think anybody can get off 10 clean 3s a game and make 40+%

What do you mean we don't have an offensive system? I don't think that's what you mean to say or it's something that isn't meant to be taken literally. Would you mind elaborating this?

[Kobewade11]

Interesting take from Ethan that Bam is the captain on a (currently sinking) ship, and if he’s in the captain role he has to get out of his comfort zone and be more vocal/harder on the team.

I did note during the Suns game that we looked leaderless out there, no energy, nobody showing life on the bench. Ethan has to understand he’s a different personality from Zo/UD though, he’s more of the type to “lead” by his play than he is to get in anyone’s face like the former 2.

[IceColdCubano]

Interesting take from Ethan that Bam is the captain on a (currently sinking) ship, and if he’s in the captain role he has to get out of his comfort zone and be more vocal/harder on the team.

I did note during the Suns game that we looked leaderless out there, no energy, nobody showing life on the bench. Ethan has to understand he’s a different personality from Zo/UD though, he’s more of the type to “lead” by his play than he is to get in anyone’s face like the former 2.

That Type of leader doesn't work with Miami Heats grind, Be heard, hold each other accountable mantra. Which is why outspoken Leaders tend to be pillar here in our FO.

[twix2500]

Interesting take from Ethan that Bam is the captain on a (currently sinking) ship, and if he’s in the captain role he has to get out of his comfort zone and be more vocal/harder on the team.

I did note during the Suns game that we looked leaderless out there, no energy, nobody showing life on the bench. Ethan has to understand he’s a different personality from Zo/UD though, he’s more of the type to “lead” by his play than he is to get in anyone’s face like the former 2.

You are right you can see individualism taking hold and that usually a sign of lack of leadership. It takes time for a young player to develop leadership qualities. Its not usually something that just snap on. I get that outsiders think the best player is the leader or should be. But most cause it is not. A lot times the best person skill wise in a group is an introvert. They are more focused on their production and quality of work. A lot of people may not know or may heard, but the Lakers Kobe and Shaq teams, neither were the leaders of that team. Teammates didnt really respect Shaq and Kobe directions. The leaders of those squads were Derek Fisher and Brian Shaw. When those guys spoke everyone listened. There are stories coming out about Kobe as a leader. A player who started next to Kobe recently came out and said Kobe didnt speak to him during his entire time with lakers. When he first won the starting job and try to speak to Kobe and Kobe told him not to speak to him because he hasnt earned that respect.

A young player has to be given a chance at least to prove himself. So i think its interesting to see how Bam evolves in that role. Now I do think its another sign that the organization expects Bam to be a long term permanant figure in the organization. Iv been in these types of meeting a lot in my career. Debating with management on who has leadership potential and why. IMO most of the time is not the most obvious person. But one person I can tell is not that type of personality is Rozier. However, I wouldnt be surprised that Herro might be the most equipped person to be vocally a leader. People just need to get over looking at him as a kid and start treating him like a grown man.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Not trying to call out Herro but since people think I am. These three shots were back to back to back. What was Herro thinking. He drew three players to him and decided to take that shot. Crazy how all three clips looks like identical

I am not agianst Herro taking midrangers, but these are three exactly the same bad shots with three defenders on him. That first clip where Beal scores is Martin being an idiot allowing that Beal to snowbird. When you are at the top of the three point line and your team takes a shot you have to get back and play safety preventing anyone from snowbirding. But any ways, Herro doing this three times in a row is a good reason for a coach to go insane.

Yes, he took a few bad Pullup 2s: Spo took a timeout after these possessions and Tyler didn't do it again.

This is his shot profile the last 8 games, they made adjustments since Jimmy returned and it is going in the right direction:



He takes 12% rim, 32% mid, 56% 3s; I would say this is almost ideal, could be even more 3s and rim attempts. Has to pick the mid rage sports better. His TS% is 54%, which should improve if he continues with this shot profile. He has been incredibly consistent as a floor spacer for them and has made 4+ 3s in 6 games and 2 twice.

I my opinion he needs to embrace his offball role even more. They really should just play him as a floor spacer always. Stagger Terry/Jimmy on ball and some relieve guys like Caleb. Tyler should just focus on C&S 3s, cuts for easy baskets and attacking closeouts with rim drives to either create a good shot for someone else or occasionally finnish there himself. If he embrace it, it will raise the ceiling of team and he could improve as a player by getting used to a more efficient shot profile, even if he wants to be on ball more in the future.

He just isn't a first option right now. Although he is not very far away, but he lacks more skills (drawing fouls is certainly one of them, which is difficult for a finness guy who rather doesn't want body contact). I don't even want him to lead the 2nd unit and come off the bench to take mid range shots, because even then he got 6th man, it was just average offense like it still is.

Also Tyler/Duncan on the court is a big nono, they should always play either of them and never at the same time, the defense is challenged enough.

If Tyler taking a floater over a big is a "bad shot" now, then we're just arguing in bad faith at that point.

We don't have an offensive system. I don't know why some Heat fans can't understand that. We haven't had one in years. It's why there's always so much bs about what's needed...everyone has their own idea of what we should be doing because nobody knows what we actually ARE trying to do

Herro is already tied for 3rd in the league for made 3s/game and if he continues what's been going on the last couple games would be clear 3rd behind Luka and Steph.

How you gonna tell a player take more 3s than anything else and then go oh he had a bad shooting night because he missed a couple midrange jumpers while hitting over 40% on a 1/3 of all the team's 3s

In some Heat fans minds, that's just replaceable because they think anybody can get off 10 clean 3s a game and make 40+%

He is replaceable, because we have a better shooter on the team and they want him to play that role lol. Hes also replaceable because he doesn’t help us at all, his god awful defense outweighs his average offense.

I wish he was near as good as you think though, I really do.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’ve seen Bam several times this season on the court gather the troops and lay in to everyone on the court when they’re not playing up to par, most recently early in the grizzlies game I believe.

[twix2500]

I’ve seen Bam several times this season on the court gather the troops and lay in to everyone on the court when they’re not playing up to par, most recently early in the grizzlies game I believe.

I think he is trying, but I think he is in a learning stage. He gonna have to learn his teammates and himself the best way to communicate with his teammates. One thing you learn quick, everyone has to be treated differently.

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[AirP.]

My sense is that Mia, for better or worse, is pot committed to Bam. With both Durant and Dame on the table these last two offseasons and Mia’s unwillingness to entertain Bam as a trading chip, it would seem to suggest that they view him to be untouchable.

I assume Herro is the future chip in play as he has already been offered in a package for both aforementioned players.

I too assumed Bam and the switching defense was here to stay but bringing in a smaller scoring PG/SG isn't a move towards building with Bam except with the pick and rolls, it feels like a move in a different direction plus... Miami paid a 1st round pick to do it. So my question right now, is this a move to replace Herro's scoring and move Herro out of the starting lineup or to another team or are they leaning more into offense which you'd want not only a bigger rim protector to cover the bad defensive guys on the parameter, but a center who can help stretch the floor, for instance a guy who plays like Myles Turner or B.Lopez.

Now looking at the mindset of the franchise, Riley and Spoelstra have different philosophies on team building and I would guess with Spoelstra's extension and Riley just weeks away from 79, maybe the team building thoughts for the organization is starting to gravitate more towards Spoelstra's thinking.

You all are overthinking it WAY too much lol

So, you think it's as simple as just upgrading Lowry to Rozier by tossing in a first? Another 1st and Miami could have gotten a younger and better overall player in Murray. Maybe for cheaper than what they gave up they could have gotten someone like D.Wright and something. Just seems odd to send out a 1st just make the defense possibly worse for more potential scoring.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

I too assumed Bam and the switching defense was here to stay but bringing in a smaller scoring PG/SG isn't a move towards building with Bam except with the pick and rolls, it feels like a move in a different direction plus... Miami paid a 1st round pick to do it. So my question right now, is this a move to replace Herro's scoring and move Herro out of the starting lineup or to another team or are they leaning more into offense which you'd want not only a bigger rim protector to cover the bad defensive guys on the parameter, but a center who can help stretch the floor, for instance a guy who plays like Myles Turner or B.Lopez.

Now looking at the mindset of the franchise, Riley and Spoelstra have different philosophies on team building and I would guess with Spoelstra's extension and Riley just weeks away from 79, maybe the team building thoughts for the organization is starting to gravitate more towards Spoelstra's thinking.

You all are overthinking it WAY too much lol

So, you think it's as simple as just upgrading Lowry to Rozier by tossing in a first? Another 1st and Miami could have gotten a younger and better overall player in Murray. Maybe for cheaper than what they gave up they could have gotten someone like D.Wright and something. Just seems odd to send out a 1st just make the defense possibly worse for more potential scoring.

They saved 15 million on the deal. That was worth the 1st for them.