Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

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[cyclix]

Sigh. So ******* sad.

[3ballbomber]

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The other fourth-quarter drama involved Whiteside, who spent all of it on the bench.

Spoelstra said he did not play Whiteside in the fourth because the group he had on the floor was gaining on the Clippers and he was unsure of Whiteside’s availability after rolling his ankle. Whiteside said he was fine and did not know why Spoelstra sat him.

“It was surprising, but nothing I can do about it,” Whiteside said.

And the ankle?

“I’m fine,” he said. “I’m tough. I’m good. No big deal. I could’ve kept playing.”

That leaves him and Spoelstra with a potentially difficult conversation about how the team plans to use him going forward. Whiteside earned the starting job and held it all season until getting hurt three weeks ago, but Spoelstra has played him as reserve since his return. He was instrumental in Miami’s fourth-quarter surge to beat the Hornets two days earlier, making it all the more perplexing that Spoelstra did not give him a shot against Los Angeles.

For Whiteside, there is no reason to engage in this conversation anymore.

“I’m done talking to Coach about it,” he said. “I have nothing else— We’ve talked about it so many times, ain’t no reason to keep talking to him about it. I’m just gonna play.”

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/sports/basketball/poor-shooting-performance-dooms-heat-against-paul-/nqLYL/

There's some bitterness there towards Spo & also slighting him w/ these comments. Hassan once again showing immaturity. The kid needs to learn patience & respect. Attitude is a big factor of somebody's character - Whiteside again acting on ego.

[Rich2Hassan]

Hassan needs to do this, Hassan needs to do that. yeah he's a goner, i'd be shocked if he wasn't traded.

[3ballbomber]

Hassan needs to do this, Hassan needs to do that. yeah he's a goner, i'd be shocked if he wasn't traded.

You're being dramatic.

Hassan is not going anywhere.

[Rich2Hassan]

Hassan needs to do this, Hassan needs to do that. yeah he's a goner, i'd be shocked if he wasn't traded.

You're being dramatic.

Hassan is not going anywhere.

Well, he should've been smarter with his comments. He should've just used the "cute" answer and kept it moving knowing that the media aren't really fans of his and is trying to continue to paint him as this negative immature, selfish person not just player. Spo clearly treats him different and you can tell by how Hassan is acting. He will either be traded for more "spo" type players or he will walk in the offseason.

[RexBoyWonder]

Hassan needs to do this, Hassan needs to do that. yeah he's a goner, i'd be shocked if he wasn't traded.

You're being dramatic.

Hassan is not going anywhere.

IDN man. I used to think he's a lock to stay here. But when the guy gets benched even against D.Jordan..It's not like we can say they went small. Jordan is supposed to be the perfect matchup for Hassan.

1. Hassan isn't to get dramatically better from now to start of next season.
2. If we give him the max, he'll make 21 Mil next season.
3. You simply can't have a 21 mil player on the bench in 4 quarters when healthy (and against favorable matchups!). If you don't think he's useful enough to be on the court in that situation, you shouldn't be paying him 21 Mil (or close to it).

[KingDavid]

Way too late in the season to be unsure about this guy's minutes and role. Spoelstra is so quick, almost too quick to bench Hassan, but leaves a bone head in the game like Gerald Green over Justise Winslow in critical moments to guard a point guard...and we get headshot by Chris Paul and Deandre Jordan.

Might be best for Hassan to go in the offseason.

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The other fourth-quarter drama involved Whiteside, who spent all of it on the bench.

Spoelstra said he did not play Whiteside in the fourth because the group he had on the floor was gaining on the Clippers and he was unsure of Whiteside’s availability after rolling his ankle. Whiteside said he was fine and did not know why Spoelstra sat him.

“It was surprising, but nothing I can do about it,” Whiteside said.

And the ankle?

“I’m fine,” he said. “I’m tough. I’m good. No big deal. I could’ve kept playing.”

That leaves him and Spoelstra with a potentially difficult conversation about how the team plans to use him going forward. Whiteside earned the starting job and held it all season until getting hurt three weeks ago, but Spoelstra has played him as reserve since his return. He was instrumental in Miami’s fourth-quarter surge to beat the Hornets two days earlier, making it all the more perplexing that Spoelstra did not give him a shot against Los Angeles.

For Whiteside, there is no reason to engage in this conversation anymore.

“I’m done talking to Coach about it,” he said. “I have nothing else— We’ve talked about it so many times, ain’t no reason to keep talking to him about it. I’m just gonna play.”

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/sports/basketball/poor-shooting-performance-dooms-heat-against-paul-/nqLYL/

There's some bitterness there towards Spo & also slighting him w/ these comments. Hassan once again showing immaturity. The kid needs to learn patience & respect. Attitude is a big factor of somebody's character - Whiteside again acting on ego.

what immaturity? if someone else that hasn't constantly been labeled "immature" says the same thing people would laud it for its maturity! lol. the coaching decisions are not his and he's not focusing on it. he's showing up to play. what else is he supposed to say? if tyler johnson says the same thing people would be praising his "blue collar" attitude.

i don't know what he does behind the scenes, but he hasn't done anything in public that makes me view him negatively. wow, if the same standard was applied to alonzo mourning when he first got here he wouldn't have lasted very long.

at the end of the day, truth is truth. he's the one that has been working his ass off to get back in the league. same as UD did. the heat have certainly helped him improve, but 95% of the work was all him before he even got here. he has a right to care about how his career is being managed. i see with him the same I see with every other player that gets here. they get told to play within a box and never cross the line. the same for everyone except wade and lebron when he was here. at the end even ray allen didn't like how some things were done. spo could improve a lot in this area but he's too stubborn. if riley jerked him around like he does the roster he'd be pissed to. i sure as hell would if that sort of thing happened to me at my job.

patience and respect? f that. the law of the jungle applies in real life. with athletes, time is always ticking away. half of his potential career years are gone already for his own mistakes. no room in life to let other people to hold you back.

[Rich2Hassan]

Whiteside has a good game tonight, and he will be strongly considered to replace Butler in the ASG!

[Heat3]

Whiteside has a good game tonight, and he will be strongly considered to replace Butler in the ASG!

don't think he's playing tonight

[BaDaBo]

Whiteside has a good game tonight, and he will be strongly considered to replace Butler in the ASG!

Gasol got the nod

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The other fourth-quarter drama involved Whiteside, who spent all of it on the bench.

Spoelstra said he did not play Whiteside in the fourth because the group he had on the floor was gaining on the Clippers and he was unsure of Whiteside’s availability after rolling his ankle. Whiteside said he was fine and did not know why Spoelstra sat him.

“It was surprising, but nothing I can do about it,” Whiteside said.

And the ankle?

“I’m fine,” he said. “I’m tough. I’m good. No big deal. I could’ve kept playing.”

That leaves him and Spoelstra with a potentially difficult conversation about how the team plans to use him going forward. Whiteside earned the starting job and held it all season until getting hurt three weeks ago, but Spoelstra has played him as reserve since his return. He was instrumental in Miami’s fourth-quarter surge to beat the Hornets two days earlier, making it all the more perplexing that Spoelstra did not give him a shot against Los Angeles.

For Whiteside, there is no reason to engage in this conversation anymore.

“I’m done talking to Coach about it,” he said. “I have nothing else— We’ve talked about it so many times, ain’t no reason to keep talking to him about it. I’m just gonna play.”

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/sports/basketball/poor-shooting-performance-dooms-heat-against-paul-/nqLYL/

There's some bitterness there towards Spo & also slighting him w/ these comments. Hassan once again showing immaturity. The kid needs to learn patience & respect. Attitude is a big factor of somebody's character - Whiteside again acting on ego.

Where does Whiteside stand in Heat locker room?



“You never turn your back on your teammate, but at the same time you’re not always in a position where you can grab somebody’s hand and walk them through every step of the way,” Dwyane Wade said. “Sometimes you have to live with your decisions that you make. I didn’t see what happened, but obviously it was enough for him to get ejected and whatever decision he makes with that, he has to live with that. Whatever consequences come with it, he has to deal with it. The biggest thing from him is you hope he just learns from it. You know, we said that last year.


“You know what man, we’re a team and we support each other,” Wade continued. “The one thing with Hassan is, sometimes he goes quiet and he goes to himself a lot. As his teammates, sometimes it’s hard to know what he’s thinking. At the end of the day, we’re all here together. We’re all supposed to be in here for one common goal and we’re all trying to reach that goal together, but sometimes we don’t know what he’s thinking.

“But like I said, we all support each other. He does something, he learns from it hopefully. We’re gonna support him and be behind him and tell him when he’s right and when he’s wrong, and hopefully he takes that the right way and continues to get better. He’s still a young guy. Mistakes is made by young guys in the league, in the world. Hopefully he’s one day able to talk to somebody else about what he’s done, just like Alonzo (Mourning) can talk to him, because Zo did some stuff back in the day and Zo can talk to him about the things he did that hurt his team. So that’s where we’re at.”

Chris Bosh, whose locker is next to Whiteside’s, did not see him after the game. By the time Bosh got out of the shower, he was gone.

Bosh has been one of the most vocal Heat players in trying to help Whiteside, but also has questioned publicly whether he is listening to what veterans are telling him.

“You can always help a guy or try to give some advice,” Bosh said. “People have given me advice over my career. But eventually I have to take that last step forward and really do that. I think the next step for him is learning about reputation. Unfortunately, he’s taken a step back. Whether it’s right or wrong or he made contact or not, I really don’t know, but people see that and they come to expect certain things. You have to build your reputation back up. He’s willing. He wants to win. We just have to encourage him and keep telling him what it takes to win.

When it was mentioned that this is Whiteside’s first real outburst of the year and he has done well restraining himself so far, Bosh acknowledged that but also pointed out “We’re adults. There’s only so many times– I mean, restraining? It’s not like this is the UFC. It’s basketball. It’s not that emotional. We haven’t had emotional games yet. If you think that’s emotional, then wait ‘til March and April when there’s problems if you don’t do your job. That’s tense.”

http://heatzone.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2016/02/10/where-does-whiteside-stand-in-heat-locker-room/

The concern w/ Whiteside is, as he puts up historic stats and stating things such as "i just go out there & block & rebound"........for who is he doing these things for? Does he block shots & crash boards for himself?!.........or does he do it for the team?! Is he 'tryina' put up his stats for self gratification or does he do it to help out his team & teammates?!

A few here refuted what i had posted above only for my opinions to be supported by articles like this with direct quotes from Wade & Bosh themselves. It hasn't been the first time they have had negative comments about Hassan.

Fact is Hassan has that punk gene within him. He also has that horrible entitlement mentality. He has the potential to be one those once in a lifetime talent but the question is does he have it him to be a great player like Dwyane Wade, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson......or is he more cut form the same cloth as DeMarcus Cousins, Carmelo Anthony, Monte Ellis, JR Smith or even Allen Iverson.

Hassan's immaturity has been justified by not only Hassan himself, his actions and his words but by constant comments by Wade & Bosh. Above i stated how he slighted Spo and displayed again that negative attitude towards not getting the minutes he thinks he is automatically entitled to. Hassan, even vs the Spurs, looks like he plays with the attitude of a bitter player (stemming from his isues w/ Spo) and that attitude is a part of that ego and as a result lead to him being thrown out of the game. Let's not pretend that everybody else is to blame for his immaturity and attitude. Nope, Whiteside continues to make his bed, he has to lie in it.

To refute everything i said is also to go against Wade & Bosh. It's a losing battle. I like Hassan, i think he is a highly skilled player and one that has the potential to be Lethal & Dangerous but that ego is overshadowing everything he is doing.

[RexBoyWonder]

As for Whiteside, Heat officials clearly were not pleased with his elbowing of Spurs center Boban Marjanovic, which resulted in a flagrant 2 foul and automatic ejection. That led to the Spurs scoring seven points in 16 seconds early in the fourth quarter.

"That's something that we'll deal with, with Hassan," Erik Spoelstra said. "We don't condone that kind of play. We've been through this with him before, but it's a disappointing play. That's not a basketball play."

Wade said he didn't see the play but "it's on him. That's something he needs to deal with. He's been pretty good to this point. He just had a lapse in judgment."

Wade said there's only so long "you can hold somebody's hand and walk them through it."

Wade also said "we're all supposed to be in here for one common goal and sometimes we don't know what he's thinking" because he's so quiet.

The Heat sent Whiteside home after his ejection because it did not want him speaking to the media.

"He knows what he means to this team and [that] he has to keep his head in every situation," Chris Bosh said. "It wasn't that much of an emotional game. You can give advice. The next step for him is really learning about reputation. Unfortunately, he's taken a step back, whether it's right or wrong. Whether he made contact or not, I really don't know. People see that and tend to expect certain things.

"You have to build your reputation back up," Bosh said. "He's willing. We just have to encourage him and keep telling him what it takes to win because we haven't even begun to scratch the surface 50 games in. It's going to get a lot more emotional, tighter, more tense in the locker-room and on the court as this season goes on."

Until this point, "He's done great," Bosh said. "We've been talking to him all summer and the preseason and during the season. It's to the point we don't have to tell him what we expect of him. We're adults. There's only so many times you need restraining. It's not UFC. It's not that emotional. We haven't had emotional games yet. If you think that's emotional, wait until March or April."

Even before the ejection, TNT's Charles Barkley said Whiteside "shows up once a week. He's too inconsistent for my taste." After the ejection, Barkley said: "That's Whiteside being Whiteside."

Barkley also said: "This team will only go as far as Hassan Whiteside takes them." Bosh has said he strongly disagrees with that statement.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2016/02/wade-explains-free-agent-approach-this-summer-dolphins-heat-marlins.html

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The concern w/ Whiteside is, as he puts up historic stats and stating things such as "i just go out there & block & rebound"........for who is he doing these things for? Does he block shots & crash boards for himself?!.........or does he do it for the team?! Is he 'tryina' put up his stats for self gratification or does he do it to help out his team & teammates?!

A few here refuted what i had posted above only for my opinions to be supported by articles like this with direct quotes from Wade & Bosh themselves. It hasn't been the first time they have had negative comments about Hassan.

Fact is Hassan has that punk gene within him. He also has that horrible entitlement mentality. He has the potential to be one those once in a lifetime talent but the question is does he have it him to be a great player like Dwyane Wade, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson......or is he more cut form the same cloth as DeMarcus Cousins, Carmelo Anthony, Monte Ellis, JR Smith or even Allen Iverson.

Hassan's immaturity has been justified by not only Hassan himself, his actions and his words but by constant comments by Wade & Bosh. Above i stated how he slighted Spo and displayed again that negative attitude towards not getting the minutes he thinks he is automatically entitled to. Hassan, even vs the Spurs, looks like he plays with the attitude of a bitter player (stemming from his isues w/ Spo) and that attitude is a part of that ego and as a result lead to him being thrown out of the game. Let's not pretend that everybody else is to blame for his immaturity and attitude. Nope, Whiteside continues to make his bed, he has to lie in it.

To refute everything i said is also to go against Wade & Bosh. It's a losing battle. I like Hassan, i think he is a highly skilled player and one that has the potential to be Lethal & Dangerous but that ego is overshadowing everything he is doing.

I don't care why he does it. I care that he does it. There wasn't a more selfish player in NBA history than Shaq ... and we're hanging his jersey. This franchise seems intent on nitpicking at Whiteside for **** that tons of guys do including Boogie who Pat would kill to acquire, and Pats favorite hero "warrior" Zo. Whiteside threw an elbow at a huge Serb in a regular season game that we weren't winning anyway. Who gives a crap? Big guys bang, and tempers occasionally flare.

I don't remember a federal case being made when Robin Lopez smacked Chris Paul who 1/2 his size.

If the Heat don't want to resign Whiteside, then don't, but this smear campaign is bull and needs to stop. If I was Whiteside, I'd call Spo, Wade, and Bosh out on their bull publicly.

[dancing2thabeet]

We should trade him. Like already said before, some team is going to sell him on how they're going to build around him and stroke his massive ego and he'll be gone.

Whiteside+McSob+Bird/Green/JRich for Horford and Korver?

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Does anyone remember this?

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And this?

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And this?

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I seem to remember Heat fans loving that. And I don't remember Spo, Wade, and Bosh bitching about it.

[OtW]

Hassan still has a lot to learn in terms of maturity. I am not sure if he intended to make contact (or if he did) with Boban, but he has to understand that reputation is a thing. He has been in two scuffles before (much worse). So, once someone like a referee sees the elbow or the forearm flying from him, it's certain ejection given his history. If you want referees and your fellow team mates to trust you in this league, you cannot have outbursts like that, regardless of the intention or lack thereof. Hassan is very lucky that the hit to Boban did not look too bad (or as bad as it could have been I should say). It definitely would have called for a multi-game suspension. Best case scenario the league doesn't suspend him, but he probably will get one game. And, if the league doesn't suspend him for a game, then the Heat probably will take that initiative upon themselves to do so.

I wonder how his agent must feel. All of these mental/maturity lapses coming from his client while he is fighting for a max contract and all of the endorsement deals that are to come if he remains in Miami or goes to another desirable/global market city as he rises to solidify his stardom as one of the best centers in the league. Also, one part of the Wade and Bosh quotes that are missing; they still believe in him and the team supports him. The "we do not know what he is thinking" line that Wade said was in the context of Hassan keeping to himself most of the time/being silent in the locker room. Its not like those two were full out bashing him and abandoning hope.

I still do not agree with trading him.

[cyclix]

Double Standard

[Heat3]

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Got suspended for Game 5....Heat end up losing the series as #2 seed.

Maturity issues? He was older than Hassan and a 6 year vet at that point. Franchise center.

Know how some get on Hassan for flexing? This is Zo at 34-35 when he returned to the Heat...




Still though....



Hassan, do your thing. I like what I see!



As for Bosh...some of these statements he making giving me a bad taste. Someone mentioned jealousy, I think it is more self preservation. He knows if Whiteside get the max, he might be heading out the door. We don't need two max bigs.....could use a max SF though....