Miami Heat 2024 Regular Season - Thread 4.0

[twix2500]

I too assumed Bam and the switching defense was here to stay but bringing in a smaller scoring PG/SG isn't a move towards building with Bam except with the pick and rolls, it feels like a move in a different direction plus... Miami paid a 1st round pick to do it. So my question right now, is this a move to replace Herro's scoring and move Herro out of the starting lineup or to another team or are they leaning more into offense which you'd want not only a bigger rim protector to cover the bad defensive guys on the parameter, but a center who can help stretch the floor, for instance a guy who plays like Myles Turner or B.Lopez.

Now looking at the mindset of the franchise, Riley and Spoelstra have different philosophies on team building and I would guess with Spoelstra's extension and Riley just weeks away from 79, maybe the team building thoughts for the organization is starting to gravitate more towards Spoelstra's thinking.

You all are overthinking it WAY too much lol

So, you think it's as simple as just upgrading Lowry to Rozier by tossing in a first? Another 1st and Miami could have gotten a younger and better overall player in Murray. Maybe for cheaper than what they gave up they could have gotten someone like D.Wright and something. Just seems odd to send out a 1st just make the defense possibly worse for more potential scoring.

For one the Heat are not interested in a long term player. I thinks its more about the peice being a longer trade asset. Lowry trade asset was gonna be gone completely. Along with hopes Rozier flourish but also being a trade asset in the upcoming years.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’ve seen Bam several times this season on the court gather the troops and lay in to everyone on the court when they’re not playing up to par, most recently early in the grizzlies game I believe.

I think he is trying, but I think he is in a learning stage. He gonna have to learn his teammates and himself the best way to communicate with his teammates. One thing you learn quick, everyone has to be treated differently.

I mean yelling at everyone will only get you so far if the team sucks lol. Just like the little session yesterday was nice but they might still come out and get ran out of the gym. None of that stuff matters if you can’t step on the court and get the job done

[AirP.]

You all are overthinking it WAY too much lol

So, you think it's as simple as just upgrading Lowry to Rozier by tossing in a first? Another 1st and Miami could have gotten a younger and better overall player in Murray. Maybe for cheaper than what they gave up they could have gotten someone like D.Wright and something. Just seems odd to send out a 1st just make the defense possibly worse for more potential scoring.

They saved 15 million on the deal. That was worth the 1st for them.

For this year but have made things a little more difficult financially in the coming years. This franchise hasn't been so easy with giving out 1st. That would be really bad to basically sell off a 1st, a basketball building asset to save money, it's a move I could see the Bulls making which is why I finally quit being a fan of that franchise.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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He’ll be an all star fairly easily and should be, Jimmy always has elite advanced statistics in basically every if not every metric but usually misses too many games.

[IceColdCubano]

I too assumed Bam and the switching defense was here to stay but bringing in a smaller scoring PG/SG isn't a move towards building with Bam except with the pick and rolls, it feels like a move in a different direction plus... Miami paid a 1st round pick to do it. So my question right now, is this a move to replace Herro's scoring and move Herro out of the starting lineup or to another team or are they leaning more into offense which you'd want not only a bigger rim protector to cover the bad defensive guys on the parameter, but a center who can help stretch the floor, for instance a guy who plays like Myles Turner or B.Lopez.

Now looking at the mindset of the franchise, Riley and Spoelstra have different philosophies on team building and I would guess with Spoelstra's extension and Riley just weeks away from 79, maybe the team building thoughts for the organization is starting to gravitate more towards Spoelstra's thinking.

You all are overthinking it WAY too much lol

So, you think it's as simple as just upgrading Lowry to Rozier by tossing in a first? Another 1st and Miami could have gotten a younger and better overall player in Murray. Maybe for cheaper than what they gave up they could have gotten someone like D.Wright and something. Just seems odd to send out a 1st just make the defense possibly worse for more potential scoring.

Miami has been known to lose draft capital in a tax saving move that has multiple levels of positive value. In this case in created tax savings, was cheaper than Murray, and upgraded Kyle Lowry ever so slightly with the hope that Rozier would become something better here. There are no ulterior motives or follow-up moves, sometimes things are just as simple and direct as what they reveal.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I too assumed Bam and the switching defense was here to stay but bringing in a smaller scoring PG/SG isn't a move towards building with Bam except with the pick and rolls, it feels like a move in a different direction plus... Miami paid a 1st round pick to do it. So my question right now, is this a move to replace Herro's scoring and move Herro out of the starting lineup or to another team or are they leaning more into offense which you'd want not only a bigger rim protector to cover the bad defensive guys on the parameter, but a center who can help stretch the floor, for instance a guy who plays like Myles Turner or B.Lopez.

Now looking at the mindset of the franchise, Riley and Spoelstra have different philosophies on team building and I would guess with Spoelstra's extension and Riley just weeks away from 79, maybe the team building thoughts for the organization is starting to gravitate more towards Spoelstra's thinking.

You all are overthinking it WAY too much lol

So, you think it's as simple as just upgrading Lowry to Rozier by tossing in a first? Another 1st and Miami could have gotten a younger and better overall player in Murray. Maybe for cheaper than what they gave up they could have gotten someone like D.Wright and something. Just seems odd to send out a 1st just make the defense possibly worse for more potential scoring.

Wright wouldn’t have moved the needle anywhere other than a backup PG. We needed a starter who could score. They’re stingy with their assets, they still want to go “whale hunting” so that’s probably why they didn’t go after DJM. Hell, I’d still go after him even with Rozier.

I was speaking moreso to you all thinking Bam might be moved lol, that will likely never happen unless he asks for it

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Some contending team is going to get O'Neale for multiple 2nd rd picks picks we don't have. And it's almost doubtful at this point we are trading anymore 1st rd picks this year. We will be outbid on any DFS deal. I still think we try and cut the salary bill a bit more and that's going to involve players like Dru Smith, Thomas Bryant, and Martin. Considering our salary structure for next year as is we are going to be pressed up against heading into the first apron for a team that rarely pays the tax in multiple years even when he had multiple star power. Trading the above said players really does nothing for the bill next year other then assures them they are not opting into there deals. The only cap difference making deal is selling Duncan's contract off for expiring's or in your case selling off Tyler Herro and not getting much back in return money wise beyond next year.

[Flash4thewin]

So, you think it's as simple as just upgrading Lowry to Rozier by tossing in a first? Another 1st and Miami could have gotten a younger and better overall player in Murray. Maybe for cheaper than what they gave up they could have gotten someone like D.Wright and something. Just seems odd to send out a 1st just make the defense possibly worse for more potential scoring.

They saved 15 million on the deal. That was worth the 1st for them.

For this year but have made things a little more difficult financially in the coming years. This franchise hasn't been so easy with giving out 1st. That would be really bad to basically sell off a 1st, a basketball building asset to save money, it's a move I could see the Bulls making which is why I finally quit being a fan of that franchise.

Remember we got Duncan, Strus, Martin, Vincent all undrafted or from the G-league. You better believe we will throw a first round pick if it means saving money and lowering the Tax.

[MettaWorldPanda]

So, you think it's as simple as just upgrading Lowry to Rozier by tossing in a first? Another 1st and Miami could have gotten a younger and better overall player in Murray. Maybe for cheaper than what they gave up they could have gotten someone like D.Wright and something. Just seems odd to send out a 1st just make the defense possibly worse for more potential scoring.

They saved 15 million on the deal. That was worth the 1st for them.

For this year but have made things a little more difficult financially in the coming years. This franchise hasn't been so easy with giving out 1st. That would be really bad to basically sell off a 1st, a basketball building asset to save money, it's a move I could see the Bulls making which is why I finally quit being a fan of that franchise.

But they ended up getting Rozier and saving 15 million so it was the best of both worlds. Perceived upgrade for a 38 year old washed up player not worth 30 million who was about to expire and the savings from that next year was not going to net you the class of PG that Rozier is in free agency. It was was a win win for both Micky and getting a quality needed player. I don't think there done slashing money for this year and next. Stay tuned! lol

[MettaWorldPanda]

They saved 15 million on the deal. That was worth the 1st for them.

For this year but have made things a little more difficult financially in the coming years. This franchise hasn't been so easy with giving out 1st. That would be really bad to basically sell off a 1st, a basketball building asset to save money, it's a move I could see the Bulls making which is why I finally quit being a fan of that franchise.

Remember we got Duncan, Strus, Martin, Vincent all undrafted or from the G-league. You better believe we will throw a first round pick if it means saving money and lowering the Tax.

Yeah I honestly thought the Rozier trade way was a very clever way of doing it. Slashed the bill from 28-13. That's a huge amount of savings no doubt.

[twix2500]

I’ve seen Bam several times this season on the court gather the troops and lay in to everyone on the court when they’re not playing up to par, most recently early in the grizzlies game I believe.

I think he is trying, but I think he is in a learning stage. He gonna have to learn his teammates and himself the best way to communicate with his teammates. One thing you learn quick, everyone has to be treated differently.

I mean yelling at everyone will only get you so far if the team sucks lol. Just like the little session yesterday was nice but they might still come out and get ran out of the gym. None of that stuff matters if you can’t step on the court and get the job done

Not everyone, the ones who need to be yelled at. Like I said everyone has to be treated differently. Some people bottle up when they get yelled at and you got to recognize it. Some people perform better pissed off. Humans are different like that

[RexBoyWonder]

Just got to believe we should look better with the current talent we have.

We have a big hole at PF, but other then that we some decent talent at every position, Spo needs to wake up too. Rotations look random as chit, we have 12 players playing with no hierarchy.

If you believe in Highsmith, ride with him. give him confidence and rhythm. Same with Jovic.
If rich is aweful, call up Bouyea.
If Bryant sucks, Give Orlando a chance.
If Terry and Herro are too small together, split them up.

I'm really not sure WTH is Spo doing ATM, I see no big picture strategy..just randomness.

[Beenie]

I too assumed Bam and the switching defense was here to stay but bringing in a smaller scoring PG/SG isn't a move towards building with Bam except with the pick and rolls, it feels like a move in a different direction plus... Miami paid a 1st round pick to do it. So my question right now, is this a move to replace Herro's scoring and move Herro out of the starting lineup or to another team or are they leaning more into offense which you'd want not only a bigger rim protector to cover the bad defensive guys on the parameter, but a center who can help stretch the floor, for instance a guy who plays like Myles Turner or B.Lopez.

Now looking at the mindset of the franchise, Riley and Spoelstra have different philosophies on team building and I would guess with Spoelstra's extension and Riley just weeks away from 79, maybe the team building thoughts for the organization is starting to gravitate more towards Spoelstra's thinking.

You all are overthinking it WAY too much lol

So, you think it's as simple as just upgrading Lowry to Rozier by tossing in a first? Another 1st and Miami could have gotten a younger and better overall player in Murray. Maybe for cheaper than what they gave up they could have gotten someone like D.Wright and something. Just seems odd to send out a 1st just make the defense possibly worse for more potential scoring.

My sense is that they are unlikely to make another major trade during this season. The buyout market however is where Mia will look to for help.

In the offseason, unless he takes a postseason leap, they’ll look to move Herro again.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Just got to believe we should look better with the current talent we have.

We have a big hole at PF, but other then that we some decent talent at every position, Spo needs to wake up too. Rotations look random as chit, we have 12 players playing with no hierarchy.

If you believe in Highsmith, ride with him. give him confidence and rhythm. Same with Jovic.
If rich is aweful, call up Bouyea.
If Bryant sucks, Give Orlando a chance.
If Terry and Herro are too small together, split them up.

I'm really not sure WTH is Spo doing ATM, I see no big picture strategy..just randomness.

I don't even understand why we even have RJ Hampton at this point. You would think he could be a good pairing with the guard rotation but all these guys just seem to be taking up space.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Some contending team is going to get O'Neale for multiple 2nd rd picks picks we don't have. And it's almost doubtful at this point we are trading anymore 1st rd picks this year. We will be outbid on any DFS deal. I still think we try and cut the salary bill a bit more and that's going to involve players like Dru Smith, Thomas Bryant, and Martin. Considering our salary structure for next year as is we are going to be pressed up against heading into the first apron for a team that rarely pays the tax in multiple years even when he had multiple star power. Trading the above said players really does nothing for the bill next year other then assures them they are not opting into there deals. The only cap difference making deal is selling Duncan's contract off for expiring's or in your case selling off Tyler Herro and not getting much back in return money wise beyond next year.

Just glad we were able to salary dump Dedmon and Dipo recently

[MettaWorldPanda]

2024-25 Luxury Tax Totals
Denotes the Heat current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).
TYPE TOTALS
2024 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $171,315,000
Total Taxable Salaries $184,419,449
Current Luxury Tax Space $-13,104,449
Est. Luxury Tax Bill $24,011,125

This is what Miami is currently looking at for next year if everyone opts in and no moves are made this year. Even with players opting out we are still pressed up against the tax with very little wiggle room. They need off of Duncan's contract like yesterday.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

You all are overthinking it WAY too much lol

So, you think it's as simple as just upgrading Lowry to Rozier by tossing in a first? Another 1st and Miami could have gotten a younger and better overall player in Murray. Maybe for cheaper than what they gave up they could have gotten someone like D.Wright and something. Just seems odd to send out a 1st just make the defense possibly worse for more potential scoring.

My sense is that they are unlikely to make another major trade during this season. The buyout market however is where Mia will look to for help.

In the offseason, unless he takes a postseason leap, they’ll look to move Herro again.

I truly believe their goal is to get PJ back and call it a day but I’m going to be here hope trafficking trades the entire week until the deadline. We have exactly 1 week starting tomorrow

[3ammy3uck3ts]

2024-25 Luxury Tax Totals
Denotes the Heat current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).
TYPE TOTALS
2024 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $171,315,000
Total Taxable Salaries $184,419,449
Current Luxury Tax Space $-13,104,449
Est. Luxury Tax Bill $24,011,125

This is what Miami is currently looking at for next year if everyone opts in and no moves are made this year. Even with players opting out we are still pressed up against the tax with very little wiggle room. They need off of Herros contract like yesterday.

Agreed 100%

[MettaWorldPanda]

Also keep in mind for everyone hyped up about the buyout market. Anyone signed in the buyout market is essentially costing Micky double in tax. He just got back 15 million from the Rozier deal and you think he's giving that back when he's still facing a 13.9 million dollar bill? Something's gotta give and I don't think we are done trying to cut the tax under the guise of improving. We are probably seeking another Rozier type of deal.

[MettaWorldPanda]

2024-25 Luxury Tax Totals
Denotes the Heat current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).
TYPE TOTALS
2024 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $171,315,000
Total Taxable Salaries $184,419,449
Current Luxury Tax Space $-13,104,449
Est. Luxury Tax Bill $24,011,125

This is what Miami is currently looking at for next year if everyone opts in and no moves are made this year. Even with players opting out we are still pressed up against the tax with very little wiggle room. They need off of Herros contract like yesterday.

Agreed 100%

Either or just saying looking at those numbers and I don't see how they are not in the market for expiring contracts. Dealing Bryant and Martin really does nothing. That's only 9 million in salary which still has us in the tax. Not even accounting for our draft pick