2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10

[Heat3]

Our MO is to make the playoff, get the playoff money and call it a day. Painfully and honestly the front office has no intention of trying to win a ring again, they are content.

There is not much playoff money for just 2 home games before getting eliminated.

[twix2500]

So I went and listened to the entire Riley presser yesterday, start to finish.

And I'll tell this much - It didn't ease my worries one bit.

Pat is looking very good for his age, but he's not looking good for a GM of a contending team. I'm sorry but he doesn't look sharp enough for that brutal cut cut throat job. He can be a consultant or whatever, but not the main decision maker, to me that much is clear. He's very nostalgic and still has his charm, but you clearly see he's saying things that shouldn't be said. Seems emotional at times, rumbling at times. It's a young(er) men's game, unfortunately.

It's also clear they're not likely to move Herro or Bam, and will try to get KD. Generally speaking, It seems this entire front office still hasn't adjusted to the new CBA and the fact that free agency is dead, despite having years to do so.

I’m always surprised Heat fans dont know who our GM is

You think Andy is executing a trade without Pat's involvement and ultimate approval?

Yes, Elisburg he is the GM. Simon is the one doing tthe phone calls. Elisburg is the one constructing the roster with Spo. Riley is managing the organization and speaking to investors and face figure and public speaker. He is the one willing to take blame for management to protect them from the criticism. Does he help if he feels like he can be an influence, sure. There is a reason why you do not see Simon or Elsiburg is because Riley is taking that media pressure off of them. However, like Rex said you can see the age taken much of the his charisma. Its time to start releiving Riley from that public pressure and put someone else who is a great public spokesman and that is Zo.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Why the fuxk is the first thing I see on Twitter this morning Barry arguing with the world that Herro is basically Donovan Mitchell lol?! And he’s been doing it since last night it looks like, stick to reporting

[VaDe255]

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Was a good deal for them, Suns should have taken it, especially if they could lock in Jimmy for the extension.
They won't be able to get better players in return for KD, so might not even trade him, until deadline (that only if they suck).

[contract]

If Pat isn't in charge then I guess there's no harm in him retiring.

[Beenie]

I’m always surprised Heat fans dont know who our GM is

You think Andy is executing a trade without Pat's involvement and ultimate approval?

No, now what does that have to do with Pat not being the GM? The individual with the ultimate veto is the owner. The same way people say Pat gets all the credit and none of the blame applies to the crowd Thats always looking for something to complain about. If there’s a good move or acquisition, it’s always somebody else. If something bad happens, it’s on Riles.

Theres a good reason for that. As the team president, Pat is paid to be the ultimate shot-caller.

The owner of course has the power to approve or deny any decisions but is mostly a silent vessel.

Pat is effectively occupying that role as it relates to team construction.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Was a good deal for them, Suns should have taken it, especially if they could lock in Jimmy for the extension.
They won't be able to get better players in return for KD, so might not even trade him, until deadline (that only if they suck).

Agreed, now you have to move them for a much lesser package or risk losing him next summer for nothing. Unless of course he comes out of nowhere and extends

[twix2500]

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First of all the way he is explaining how it went down, he is pulling it out of his ass. And he is just saying things for clicks.

A trade of Butler, Jamie, Jovic and 1st straight up for Durant could not happen. Because the Suns are in the 2nd apron.
There was no other trade option othan Butler and Richardson and pick for Durant.
The Heat was going to make a second trade using Jamie or/Jovic for other players on the Suns. The deal was close to being agreed upon and then Suns owner stepped in an asked for more including Ware and others. Durant got hold of the news and nixed it because he didnt want to traded then. That is when it was decided to lets wait til the summer.
James Jones and the owner finally decide to seperate. Because there has been strife on who is making the decisions.

There was no bad blood between Heat and Suns on the negotiations. Because of the circumstances, Durant getting involved, owner getting involved it was mutually agreement to wait. Heat wanted to go ahead and part with Butler, thus quickly made a series of moves as the clock was ticking.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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First of all the way he is explaining how it went down, he is pulling it out of his ass. And he is just saying things for clicks.

A trade of Butler, Jamie, Jovic and 1st straight up for Durant could not happen. Because the Suns are in the 2nd apron.
There was no other trade option othan Butler and Richardson and pick for Durant.
The Heat was going to make a second trade using Jamie or/Jovic for other players on the Suns. The deal was close to being agreed upon and then Suns owner stepped in an asked for more including Ware and others. Durant got hold of the news and nixed it because he didnt want to traded then. That is when it was decided to lets wait til the summer.
James Jones and the owner finally decide to seperate. Because there has been strife on who is making the decisions.

There was no bad blood between Heat and Suns on the negotiations. Because of the circumstances, Durant getting involved, owner getting involved it was mutually agreement to wait. Heat wanted to go ahead and part with Butler, thus quickly made a series of moves as the clock was ticking.

Who told you this?

[twix2500]

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First of all the way he is explaining how it went down, he is pulling it out of his ass. And he is just saying things for clicks.

A trade of Butler, Jamie, Jovic and 1st straight up for Durant could not happen. Because the Suns are in the 2nd apron.
There was no other trade option othan Butler and Richardson and pick for Durant.
The Heat was going to make a second trade using Jamie or/Jovic for other players on the Suns. The deal was close to being agreed upon and then Suns owner stepped in an asked for more including Ware and others. Durant got hold of the news and nixed it because he didnt want to traded then. That is when it was decided to lets wait til the summer.
James Jones and the owner finally decide to seperate. Because there has been strife on who is making the decisions.

There was no bad blood between Heat and Suns on the negotiations. Because of the circumstances, Durant getting involved, owner getting involved it was mutually agreement to wait. Heat wanted to go ahead and part with Butler, thus quickly made a series of moves as the clock was ticking.

This was a similar situation when the Heat was negotiating a trade for Kyle Lowry, things were getting to complicated at the last min so the Heat and Raps mutually decided to wait, and quickly pulled the Oladipo trade who the Heat already had a agreement with Rockets since Christmas.

[twix2500]

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First of all the way he is explaining how it went down, he is pulling it out of his ass. And he is just saying things for clicks.

A trade of Butler, Jamie, Jovic and 1st straight up for Durant could not happen. Because the Suns are in the 2nd apron.
There was no other trade option othan Butler and Richardson and pick for Durant.
The Heat was going to make a second trade using Jamie or/Jovic for other players on the Suns. The deal was close to being agreed upon and then Suns owner stepped in an asked for more including Ware and others. Durant got hold of the news and nixed it because he didnt want to traded then. That is when it was decided to lets wait til the summer.
James Jones and the owner finally decide to seperate. Because there has been strife on who is making the decisions.

There was no bad blood between Heat and Suns on the negotiations. Because of the circumstances, Durant getting involved, owner getting involved it was mutually agreement to wait. Heat wanted to go ahead and part with Butler, thus quickly made a series of moves as the clock was ticking.

Who told you this?

Lets just say this, there is a reason why I was posting James Jones quiet departure from the Suns and mentioning Jones leaving before he did.

[twix2500]

The Suns are in a bad bad situation, they are not in a position to negotiate much. They are very strapped on what they can actually do. The Suns didnt want Durant involved and was going to pull a Luka move, but their front office was not on the same page to make such transaction. Now that the summer is here and Durant and his agent are being part of this, the Suns are not in any and I MEAN any position to negotiate. They are in a position of weakness. Durant is going to go to team of his wants. This is going to basically be a free agency for Durant.

[twix2500]

The Heat now will be going into the summer with two extremely desirable contracts in Duncan Robinson and Terry Rozier. The value of cap relief is going to greater than it has EVER been.

[Kobewade11]

You think Andy is executing a trade without Pat's involvement and ultimate approval?

No, now what does that have to do with Pat not being the GM? The individual with the ultimate veto is the owner. The same way people say Pat gets all the credit and none of the blame applies to the crowd Thats always looking for something to complain about. If there’s a good move or acquisition, it’s always somebody else. If something bad happens, it’s on Riles.

Theres a good reason for that. As the team president, Pat is paid to be the ultimate shot-caller.

The owner of course has the power to approve or deny any decisions but is mostly a silent vessel.

Pat is effectively occupying that role as it relates to team construction.

i’ll save you the time, We’ll agree to disagree and move on. One thing we can agree on though; Jimmy is a g

[twix2500]

The most likely scenario, that Jamie and Jovic will be sent elsewhere for picks. Because Suns have a bad situation, they can not add players to a trade. They can only trade one player at a time. And the salary they take in has to damn near exactly match. So the Suns can not play around with who they get in return. They are very limited on what they can get in return.

its likely only future salary cap relief and picks is what the Suns are limited to getting.

[twix2500]

Whatever the deal is for Durant it will likely be a multi-team deal. And pretty sure the salary players are gonna be Wiggins and Rozier if the Heat are involved.

[Shewasfly]

It looks like the preference is to part with young assets and keep picks, especially based on what Pat said. So Jovi might be gone It's the smart strategy though. If you're going to go in for KD, collect/keep draft assets for 2027/2028 when it'll be time for another reset.

I hope if it's Jovi it's not also Ware. One or the other. I think the team will feel it more if Jovic is gone. They all seem to love him.

[twix2500]

It looks like the preference is to part with young assets and keep picks, especially based on what Pat said. So Jovi might be gone It's the smart strategy though. If you're going to go in for KD, collect/keep draft assets for 2027/2028 when it'll be time for another reset.

I hope if it's Jovi it's not also Ware. One or the other. I think the team will feel it more if Jovic is gone. They all seem to love him.

Personally I am ok with continuing the youth movement. This room always gonna want the opposite of whats on the roster. One min they want young players, next min they want vets. So I dont care about the twitter complaints that roll over to realgm.

Herro and Bam are relatively young. They can stand a two to 3 year youth movement. Last year was year one. If you go young you got to give each player three years of playing time before they can develop into player who can contribute on as a playoff team. Jovic and Jaime got two years of playing time experience now. Ware and Larsson are going into year two with a lot of playing time. I would prioritize locking down Mitchell and focus on moving Wiggins, Rozier and Robinson for better flexibility and add some better fitting vets. Try to get draft picks out of these expiring contracts. Keep 2026 as the marker to make the all in moves.

[Hallstar]

It looks like the preference is to part with young assets and keep picks, especially based on what Pat said. So Jovi might be gone It's the smart strategy though. If you're going to go in for KD, collect/keep draft assets for 2027/2028 when it'll be time for another reset.

I hope if it's Jovi it's not also Ware. One or the other. I think the team will feel it more if Jovic is gone. They all seem to love him.

Jovic gonna blow up if he leaves the team, I can feel it