Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

[BaDaBo]

Does anyone remember this?

Spoiler:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-HyHLhv4LI[/youtube]

And this?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CyMa12JM-c[/youtube]

And this?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcTzJt1RT6E[/youtube]

I seem to remember Heat fans loving that. And I don't remember Spo, Wade, and Bosh bitching about it.

I'm just guessing (and not defending the double standards) but:

* Those are playoff games where things get really chippy, especially against Indy who was the main rival at that time. If Whiteside gets frustrated in regular season with the opposing defense (offense) what will happens when we get to the playoffs where things are more tense?
* Anderson, Haslem while serviceable players and even team legends had(ve) no where near the potential of Whiteside. It's no where near as frustrating when a role-player does stupid (hell teams have players like that on the team just to cause chaos) but when a potential star does it... the coaches must be pissed.
*Those were veterans or scrubs ( Pittman), why would you bitch to a veteran they know what they did and even if they don't if they haven't learn by now, they never will.
*I don't think any of those players had three ejections for boneheaded moves in what is it 100 games.

As I said, those moves are as stupid as the one from Whiteside last night and should be judged as harshly or worse (Pittman), but the points above are why I think they're not.

[Bourne85]

The points pple are bringing up are fair. Look at Zo fist fighting at 34 lol. In the PLAYOFFS lmao did he get sent home? Did the team pile on him after the game talking about holding his hand.

Wade and all his cheap shots that he's delivered. A flying knee to the balls, a flying clothesline to Lance, breaking Rondos arm in a dirty ass play.

All players make mistakes no matter the age or the magnitude of the Game, be it playoffs, finals or regular season.

What I've never seen is a teammate get sent home before he even makes it to the locker room. I see no one standing up for him. Everyone is on his case that he doesn't "get it" that "they don't know what he's thinking".

Double standards at its finest. I don't condone what Whiteside did, but I hate how the team handled the situation.

Once again, it has been said. Trade him, get SOMETHING for him, because I 100% guarantee you he is a goner. Offer him the max if u like he is goneeeee

[RexBoyWonder]

At this point I doubt we'll offer him anything even close to max. Which means he's 99% out of here. Which means a trade makes sense.

[QUIZ]

I sticky'd this thread, let's try to keep all Hassan talk centered here.

We seem to have a new thread made about him after every game. Hassan's play and his contract will be a big talking point all season long.

Hassan is going to get paid big money one way or another. Whether it be us who gives it to him or somebody else, let's all enjoy Hassan Whiteside's road to the max.

My poor thread.

This is how I started it back in December. No one's enjoying his journey. Everybody would rather throw poop at each other and at him throughout his ups and downs...

[contract]

Zo was getting into fights on the court with Larry Johnson over who the main man was years before on a team that neither played for anymore ... but Whiteside is immature?

The Heat is so full of "it" right now, it ain't funny.

[Rich2Hassan]

Zo was getting into fights on the court with Larry Johnson over who the main man was years before on a team that neither played for anymore ... but Whiteside is immature?

The Heat is so full of "it" right now, it ain't funny.

To make matters worse, Spo and all his stupid comments after the game did not help one bit. Yeah that wasn't a smart play, but come on don't say is like that about one of your players. Spo never protects his players, he is such a soft coach man. Had it not been for the great Pat Riley, he'd still be in the basement at AAA editing game footage. This punk should thank Wade, Lebron for his career.

[Sgt P]

lol... wow...
do you guys know Pat Riley????
maybe I do not...

The Knicks team that brutalizes opponents, Zo's Heat were not pussycats either. Now we are some PC loving team... lol...

what a joke... NBA is now.....


much love for Whiteside, hoping your achieve your goals, big fella....
Just work on your game and stay cool headed....

[Heat3]

it is a joke. that is definitely a spo thing. i refuse to believe riley would do that if he were coach. he may go along cause he let spo be coach, but if he has changed too then all things are lost imo.

lost sight of the damn goal. so ready to "win now" that no thought is given to the future.

whiteside going to leave. i'll tip my hat to him. get your money, go somewhere that will give you a chance to grow. when we fail to win a championship with a team full of UDs Riley will retire and leave us the team with bare cupboard.

i still remember the quote last year from spo about shabbaz. how he was saying that shabbaz had to change his game to play in the nba. well ****, why bother bringing anyone in if you not going to exploit their talents? ignore their strengths, punish their weaknesses.

unless you a guy like winslow who can't put the ball in the ocean, they love him. no wonder our offense sucks. but who cares, goal is to win games 0-0

[cyclix]

QFT, this league is soft

This is considered a clean hit in hockey: (NO PENALTY, NO EJECTION)
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Cats0ntheprowl/status/696876491456585728[/tweet]

[heat4life]

Zo was getting into fights on the court with Larry Johnson over who the main man was years before on a team that neither played for anymore ... but Whiteside is immature?

The Heat is so full of "it" right now, it ain't funny.

I remember those times and I also remember Pat Riley battling with Zo about his immaturity and the effect it has on the team. With Zo it was even worst because he was our franchise player at the time. I vividly remember going to a game vs the Pacers in 98 or 99. Miami and Indiana were the top two teams in the East playing at Miami Arena. Close game, Antonio Davis with a tough box out of Zo, Zo does the tough talk and shoving and gets a T, then he proceeds to follow the ref and state his case screaming. 2nd T, ejected. He proceeded to make his way to the locker room trying to state his case as he walked by Riley who just looked at him and said something along the lines of "I don't care. You just cost us the game, get out." while pointing towards the locker room.

This was at the early stages of the 3rd quarter in a close game if I remember correctly. Riley knew what the importance of having Zo on the court was and passed that responsibility back to Zo. Needless to say, the Heat lost that game by 10 or so. Now, I am not sure what was said behind closed doors after that but Zo came out with a completely different attitude. Still fierce, tough and imposing but not rattled by the moment or the instigation of others.

I think Hassan is going through something similar. Tough love is whats going to make him understand his importance to the team and him being on the court hopefully. I don't think the way Spo handled was wrong. You have to let him know that it is unacceptable and it costs the team in one way or another. The hope is that Hassan grows from this sooner rather than later. With the way the game was going, I think Hassan could've made a difference defensively. I am not going to say he cost us the game but him not being available definitely put a damper in an already tough night. This is the regular season and against the very respectful Spurs team. If he thinks it will get easier during the playoffs, he is in for a rude awakening. Let's hope he gets it.

P.S. In case you are wondering, I remember the bench scene because I was sitting close to it. Later on I read one of the beat writers quote what Riley said to Zo on the way out.

[3ballbomber]

The concern w/ Whiteside is, as he puts up historic stats and stating things such as "i just go out there & block & rebound"........for who is he doing these things for? Does he block shots & crash boards for himself?!.........or does he do it for the team?! Is he 'tryina' put up his stats for self gratification or does he do it to help out his team & teammates?!

A few here refuted what i had posted above only for my opinions to be supported by articles like this with direct quotes from Wade & Bosh themselves. It hasn't been the first time they have had negative comments about Hassan.

Fact is Hassan has that punk gene within him. He also has that horrible entitlement mentality. He has the potential to be one those once in a lifetime talent but the question is does he have it him to be a great player like Dwyane Wade, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson......or is he more cut form the same cloth as DeMarcus Cousins, Carmelo Anthony, Monte Ellis, JR Smith or even Allen Iverson.

Hassan's immaturity has been justified by not only Hassan himself, his actions and his words but by constant comments by Wade & Bosh. Above i stated how he slighted Spo and displayed again that negative attitude towards not getting the minutes he thinks he is automatically entitled to. Hassan, even vs the Spurs, looks like he plays with the attitude of a bitter player (stemming from his isues w/ Spo) and that attitude is a part of that ego and as a result lead to him being thrown out of the game. Let's not pretend that everybody else is to blame for his immaturity and attitude. Nope, Whiteside continues to make his bed, he has to lie in it.

To refute everything i said is also to go against Wade & Bosh. It's a losing battle. I like Hassan, i think he is a highly skilled player and one that has the potential to be Lethal & Dangerous but that ego is overshadowing everything he is doing.

I don't care why he does it. I care that he does it. There wasn't a more selfish player in NBA history than Shaq ... and we're hanging his jersey. This franchise seems intent on nitpicking at Whiteside for **** that tons of guys do including Boogie who Pat would kill to acquire, and Pats favorite hero "warrior" Zo. Whiteside threw an elbow at a huge Serb in a regular season game that we weren't winning anyway. Who gives a crap? Big guys bang, and tempers occasionally flare.

I don't remember a federal case being made when Robin Lopez smacked Chris Paul who 1/2 his size.

If the Heat don't want to resign Whiteside, then don't, but this smear campaign is bull and needs to stop. If I was Whiteside, I'd call Spo, Wade, and Bosh out on their bull publicly.

Hassan doesn't need a smear campaign....he's doing a good enough job smearing his own career, all on his very own.

You just read/heard a very disappointed, frustrated Wade, Bosh & Spo and you think Hassan is being treated unfairly? Evidently you're opinion is not shared among those directly involved w/ Whiteside.

BTW Shaq by the time he came here was a proven player w/ Championships....i'm not trying to justify any actions but what has Hassan proved other than individual stats so far & showing bitterness towards playing time?! I ask again....is Hassan playing for himself or the team?! Shaq also never had any real issues like this in his early years w/ Orlando. This is only his very first time playing a full season, Stats don't mean jack if you are being a detriment to the team in your behavior & attitude.

[Skin]

lol... wow...
do you guys know Pat Riley????
maybe I do not...

The Knicks team that brutalizes opponents, Zo's Heat were not pussycats either. Now we are some PC loving team... lol...

what a joke... NBA is now.....


much love for Whiteside, hoping your achieve your goals, big fella....
Just work on your game and stay cool headed....

Man, my Orlando Magic are so damn SOFT it's sickening... Especially Vuc. I'm hoping they throw the max at Whiteside even though I highly doubt it. I have fellow Magic fans telling me how bringing him in would be a bad idea, so I came here to see what Heat fans thought of him. You guys are the truth. Whiteside is an old school bad boy in a new school PC loving league. You have every right to be mad at the way the Heat and their leaders have treated him.

So my question is, will losing him hurt your team or not really?

[RexBoyWonder]

lol... wow...
do you guys know Pat Riley????
maybe I do not...

The Knicks team that brutalizes opponents, Zo's Heat were not pussycats either. Now we are some PC loving team... lol...

what a joke... NBA is now.....


much love for Whiteside, hoping your achieve your goals, big fella....
Just work on your game and stay cool headed....

Man, my Orlando Magic are so damn SOFT it's sickening... Especially Vuc. I'm hoping they throw the max at Whiteside even though I highly doubt it. I have fellow Magic fans telling me how bringing him in would be a bad idea, so I came here to see what Heat fans thought of him. You guys are the truth. Whiteside is an old school bad boy in a new school PC loving league. You have every right to be mad at the way the Heat and their leaders have treated him.

So my question is, will losing him hurt your team or not really?

Give us Fournier and we'll get over it.

[3ballbomber]

I sticky'd this thread, let's try to keep all Hassan talk centered here.

We seem to have a new thread made about him after every game. Hassan's play and his contract will be a big talking point all season long.

Hassan is going to get paid big money one way or another. Whether it be us who gives it to him or somebody else, let's all enjoy Hassan Whiteside's road to the max.

My poor thread.

This is how I started it back in December. No one's enjoying his journey. Everybody would rather throw poop at each other and at him throughout his ups and downs...

Criticism towards Hassan i believe is justified simply because he is a special talent that can be GREAT. But he's throwing it all away w/ his nonsense. How can we enjoy that aspect of his journey? All that ego he shows on twitter and then he pouts and acts bitter about playing time? That's not enjoyable to watch.

Has Hassan ever thought (and his supporters) ever thought if his attitude was positive throughout what ever he goes through that he will be regarded higher & trusted more?! Poor character does not equate to being rewarded and this is after all the Miami Heat not some scrub organization that rewards poor behavior. Get the f*ck outta here if you think we let a rookie get away with bullsh*t here. Strighten up, act right.....earn your keep and you'll get yours. Individual stats don't mean squat if you are a detriment to your team. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Spo holds him out of 4th Q's because of attitude and i support that 100%. We don't have the reputation we do because we let kids act up and reward it....nope....we earned our rep simply because we are a disciplined organization that helps mentor players the tough way until they get themselves in order and just focus solely on basketball.

I love the kids hunger but he still needs direction and nurturing - this is why playing in Miami is highly beneficial to him. But he must acknowledge this. He can thrive here if only he understands what he needs to do in regards to maturity, respect and humbleness. IT's not that difficult to see that his mentality is the only thing holding him back.

Some think we should just let him go, let him be happy somewhere counting max money.....do you really think this would be good for him? Giving somebody who lacks maturity freedom and cash just because he can put up monster stats for your team? Basketball is more than just individual statistics, it's also all about character, integrity and respect.

[TMIMITW]

Zo was getting into fights on the court with Larry Johnson over who the main man was years before on a team that neither played for anymore ... but Whiteside is immature?

The Heat is so full of "it" right now, it ain't funny.

I remember those times and I also remember Pat Riley battling with Zo about his immaturity and the effect it has on the team. With Zo it was even worst because he was our franchise player at the time. I vividly remember going to a game vs the Pacers in 98 or 99. Miami and Indiana were the top two teams in the East playing at Miami Arena. Close game, Antonio Davis with a tough box out of Zo, Zo does the tough talk and shoving and gets a T, then he proceeds to follow the ref and state his case screaming. 2nd T, ejected. He proceeded to make his way to the locker room trying to state his case as he walked by Riley who just looked at him and said something along the lines of "I don't care. You just cost us the game, get out." while pointing towards the locker room.

This was at the early stages of the 3rd quarter in a close game if I remember correctly. Riley knew what the importance of having Zo on the court was and passed that responsibility back to Zo. Needless to say, the Heat lost that game by 10 or so. Now, I am not sure what was said behind closed doors after that but Zo came out with a completely different attitude. Still fierce, tough and imposing but not rattled by the moment or the instigation of others.

I think Hassan is going through something similar. Tough love is whats going to make him understand his importance to the team and him being on the court hopefully. I don't think the way Spo handled was wrong. You have to let him know that it is unacceptable and it costs the team in one way or another. The hope is that Hassan grows from this sooner rather than later. With the way the game was going, I think Hassan could've made a difference defensively. I am not going to say he cost us the game but him not being available definitely put a damper in an already tough night. This is the regular season and against the very respectful Spurs team. If he thinks it will get easier during the playoffs, he is in for a rude awakening. Let's hope he gets it.

P.S. In case you are wondering, I remember the bench scene because I was sitting close to it. Later on I read one of the beat writers quote what Riley said to Zo on the way out.

I remember this as well,

The Heat organization are very disciplined...we are talking about a team that benched shaq, walker, and posey for not meeting weight requirements.

We talking about a Pat Riley that feels burned by Lebron and will make sure he has the last laugh.

Hassan needs to either buy in or buy out. I am a big fan of his game and his talent......but he reminds me of Dwight Coward... cry and complain. He will get big money with a team, but he will never be a superstar with the attitude he has (see also D Cousins; who is definitely trying to change his image).

Hassan gets to learn from bosh, deng, wade, STAT, Riley, UD, Jhoward, ZO, McAdoo... players and coaches that are well respected around the league and sure first ballot HF.

If you mad play like your mad and dominate... if not stay at home!

[walk with me]

I haven't read the last few pages... but i did read the last page.


It seems like people like the "toughness" that whiteside brings. But there's a difference.


Dexter pittman or udonis elbowing a guy to send a message (for the entire team) is different than
hassan whiteside having a personal vendetta with that 7 ft 6 guy from the spurs.


Ive been one of the few who was happy about whiteside being around but he can't get out of his own way with his selfish behavior. Whether we trade him or let him go. I don't care honeslty.


I'd rather lose with a team I like than win with a team I dislike.

[gom]

lol... wow...
do you guys know Pat Riley????
maybe I do not...

The Knicks team that brutalizes opponents, Zo's Heat were not pussycats either. Now we are some PC loving team... lol...

what a joke... NBA is now.....


much love for Whiteside, hoping your achieve your goals, big fella....
Just work on your game and stay cool headed....

Man, my Orlando Magic are so damn SOFT it's sickening... Especially Vuc. I'm hoping they throw the max at Whiteside even though I highly doubt it. I have fellow Magic fans telling me how bringing him in would be a bad idea, so I came here to see what Heat fans thought of him. You guys are the truth. Whiteside is an old school bad boy in a new school PC loving league. You have every right to be mad at the way the Heat and their leaders have treated him.

So my question is, will losing him hurt your team or not really?

Hey Skin! Welcome!

People here are inclined to disagree, but it would be a fiasco for the Heat to lose Whiteside. At the same time, I don't think he is willing to be leashed by Spo, who will be our coach until Riley is done, so Whiteside is likely out.

I think he would be a great signing for the Magic.

I think it's wrong to compare Whiteside's flagrant with some of the others. Hassan's foul was incredibly dumb and helped cost us a game (though to be honest it was already well past lost. Bosh thinks he is a point guard now... smh)

I celebrated the foul by Birdman and loved watching Lance Stephenson get smacked. Both games were tense and highly-charged games with plenty of physicality on both sides of the ball.

Hassan's foul was a lame attempt during a foul shot and it's not even clear his target was hit. It is a bit of an embarrassment. It's also embarrassing to hear Spo and Bosh talking about it. Wade's comment was very out of context making it look harsher than it is.

[Bishop45]

Spoiler:

lol... wow...
do you guys know Pat Riley????
maybe I do not...

The Knicks team that brutalizes opponents, Zo's Heat were not pussycats either. Now we are some PC loving team... lol...

what a joke... NBA is now.....


much love for Whiteside, hoping your achieve your goals, big fella....
Just work on your game and stay cool headed....

Man, my Orlando Magic are so damn SOFT it's sickening... Especially Vuc. I'm hoping they throw the max at Whiteside even though I highly doubt it. I have fellow Magic fans telling me how bringing him in would be a bad idea, so I came here to see what Heat fans thought of him. You guys are the truth. Whiteside is an old school bad boy in a new school PC loving league. You have every right to be mad at the way the Heat and their leaders have treated him.

So my question is, will losing him hurt your team or not really?

Nothing wrong with him, I don't think he's a problem. Only fear I have is with his anti-social behavior on and off the court. Doesn't help that we've held him to a higher standard than everyone else with far less consideration. Heat 'culture' now seems to be just us giving immunity to higher ups and scapegoating players. While his temper is still an issue, I don't think it's a problem or as big as an issue as some are making it. Just needs to learn how to get angry and not put his hands on people lol. You won't hear about any defensive lapses, net ratings or etc. about anyone else on the team but Hassan... No one else will be as quickly benched either. He also might be the only starter that still has no clue about what he's suppose to be doing on offense... and he of all people, really needs it. In the end, we might be too PC for him and it might cost us in the long run. Who knows

[Sgt P]

I haven't read the last few pages... but i did read the last page.


It seems like people like the "toughness" that whiteside brings. But there's a difference.


Dexter pittman or udonis elbowing a guy to send a message (for the entire team) is different than
hassan whiteside having a personal vendetta with that 7 ft 6 guy from the spurs.


Ive been one of the few who was happy about whiteside being around but he can't get out of his own way with his selfish behavior. Whether we trade him or let him go. I don't care honeslty.


I'd rather lose with a team I like than win with a team I dislike.

I just work with him. I do not know ho things are behind the scenes. This season, Hassan has been tremendous.. this will be his first altercation. Seems like everyone just want throw him out of the NBA.. wtf? He is a talent, of all the knuckle heads that have worn Miami Heat jersey, seems everyone is making him out to be the worst.

What has happen when none of his teammates supports him.. like really... disappointed by the comments from Wade and Bosh... just smh...

[Skin]

lol... wow...
do you guys know Pat Riley????
maybe I do not...

The Knicks team that brutalizes opponents, Zo's Heat were not pussycats either. Now we are some PC loving team... lol...

what a joke... NBA is now.....


much love for Whiteside, hoping your achieve your goals, big fella....
Just work on your game and stay cool headed....

Man, my Orlando Magic are so damn SOFT it's sickening... Especially Vuc. I'm hoping they throw the max at Whiteside even though I highly doubt it. I have fellow Magic fans telling me how bringing him in would be a bad idea, so I came here to see what Heat fans thought of him. You guys are the truth. Whiteside is an old school bad boy in a new school PC loving league. You have every right to be mad at the way the Heat and their leaders have treated him.

So my question is, will losing him hurt your team or not really?

Give us Fournier and we'll get over it.

Like seriously... DEAL.