2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9

[DayofMourning]

With KD on the court and Beal/Booker off the Suns had a +9.03 net rating.

With Beal/Booker on and KD off they had a -12.87 net rating.

If you filter it to show only games that all 3 played in with KD on and the other two off they had a +21.53 Net rating, with KD off and those two on they had a -9.74 Net rating.

The Suns were 33-29 with Durant this year, 2-18 without him. I believe they were 15-3 when KD/Booker played but Beal did not. The suns are 35-11 since Beal got there when KD/Booker play without Beal.

For VaDe, KD had a +3.1 EPM.

Fit is very important and Phoenix clearly shot themselves in the foot letting their new owner step in and call all the shots. I definitely think KD can work wonders for this group and I think KD with this group and Spo coaching will attract even more talent

Add KD to this team and we are contenders.

I hear the talk about finding a star in their prime but theres also the talk about not having any assets to trade for one. With that being the case, then if we can get KD we def should, right?

Hes obviously a very good player. His game is the same as it ever was minus a few highlight dunks.

He may break down. He also might raise the roof for this team. Its a quality gamble IMO.

[DayofMourning]

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Derrick White for Boston. Lol. No ****. That guy plays his ass off.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

With KD on the court and Beal/Booker off the Suns had a +9.03 net rating.

With Beal/Booker on and KD off they had a -12.87 net rating.

If you filter it to show only games that all 3 played in with KD on and the other two off they had a +21.53 Net rating, with KD off and those two on they had a -9.74 Net rating.

The Suns were 33-29 with Durant this year, 2-18 without him. I believe they were 15-3 when KD/Booker played but Beal did not. The suns are 35-11 since Beal got there when KD/Booker play without Beal.

For VaDe, KD had a +3.1 EPM.

Fit is very important and Phoenix clearly shot themselves in the foot letting their new owner step in and call all the shots. I definitely think KD can work wonders for this group and I think KD with this group and Spo coaching will attract even more talent

Add KD to this team and we are contenders.

I hear the talk about finding a star in their prime but theres also the talk about not having any assets to trade for one. With that being the case, then if we can get KD we def should, right?

Hes obviously a very good player. His game is the same as it ever was minus a few highlight dunks.

He may break down. He also might raise the roof for this team. Its a quality gamble IMO.

Definitely a gamble worth taking. If he can remain relatively healthy we’re fine because he’s going to produce at a high level for the next 3 years minimum. You don’t just go from averaging 27-6-4 on 64TS% to falling off a cliff and being washed up unless you suffer a major injury

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Derrick White for Boston. Lol. No ****. That guy plays his ass off.

It pains me to say but both of Bostons starting guards are the exact type of player (minus some playmaking) that we need at the guard position next to Tyler lol.

[contract]

That’s not so easy to get. Plucking young stars is damn near impossible without hoarding picks for years. Let’s take advantage of Durant’s two year window with this group. It’s going to work and with old man Riley this is the path he’s going to take. It’s not a Durant build. It’s a Durant complimenting all the current pieces and bringing them over the hump. The young star will have to be lucked into during the draft but don’t sleep on Kelel Ware reaching new heights.

With this group? What group? We just won 37 games. The closest thing we have to a complimentary star player is Bam, and that's just not going to get it done. This group is not close.

Our fans seem to be addicted to insanity. Trading for Durant and extending him would be a disaster. Extending Herro will be a disaster. We need to get out from under past bad decisions, not double down on them.

Checking in to say that Herro has proven to provide value under his current contract (55th highest paid player in the NBA this season). Worth keeping in mind considering how many flagged it as a disastrous mistake at the time.

I'm hesitant on the the idea of extending Herro the first second he becomes eligible (what's the point?) for his new extension. But, I do think it provides some context in a world where everyone is so anchored in their preconceived positions.

It was a disastrous mistake. That mistake led to 4 straight years of Tyler dominating the ball and the shots ... which is about to lead to another disastrous extension. And he sucks. And he's going to suck even more at $50 million per when he's leading the team in shot attempts for the 7th year in a row.

[DayofMourning]

Definitely a gamble worth taking. If he can remain relatively healthy we’re fine because he’s going to produce at a high level for the next 3 years minimum. You don’t just go from averaging 27-6-4 on 64TS% to falling off a cliff and being washed up unless you suffer a major injury

Yeah, everything is calculated risk. No sure things.

Weve got some quality guys on this squad.

What we dont have is alpha scorer, gravity boy. Thats what takes the top off. KD is ASGB. Hes that guy. Hes been to multiple Finals. Hes won an MVP. Hes got 30K points. Hes still doing it.

By my expectations hes got that Lebron longevity and maniacal love/obsession for the game. Hes also......better than Butler!

Hes an opportunity. Weve got Bam and Herro ready to support. Weve got a bunch of ancillary players who play their roles really well.

It just makes sense.

[contract]

With KD on the court and Beal/Booker off the Suns had a +9.03 net rating.

With Beal/Booker on and KD off they had a -12.87 net rating.

If you filter it to show only games that all 3 played in with KD on and the other two off they had a +21.53 Net rating, with KD off and those two on they had a -9.74 Net rating.

The Suns were 33-29 with Durant this year, 2-18 without him. I believe they were 15-3 when KD/Booker played but Beal did not. The suns are 35-11 since Beal got there when KD/Booker play without Beal.

For VaDe, KD had a +3.1 EPM.

Fit is very important and Phoenix clearly shot themselves in the foot letting their new owner step in and call all the shots. I definitely think KD can work wonders for this group and I think KD with this group and Spo coaching will attract even more talent

That's all great. Have I mentioned that he's 37 years old next season ... and he's going to get older every year after that?

We literally just did this with Jimmy. It's like someone walked into this forum with a neuralyzer.

[DayofMourning]

It pains me to say but both of Bostons starting guards are the exact type of player (minus some playmaking) that we need at the guard position next to Tyler lol.

Tyler needs someone to cover for him. Davion is that typa dude.

We probably arent on the same page with this, but I preferred Jrue over Dame. Such a great 2 way player who impacts winning.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

With KD on the court and Beal/Booker off the Suns had a +9.03 net rating.

With Beal/Booker on and KD off they had a -12.87 net rating.

If you filter it to show only games that all 3 played in with KD on and the other two off they had a +21.53 Net rating, with KD off and those two on they had a -9.74 Net rating.

The Suns were 33-29 with Durant this year, 2-18 without him. I believe they were 15-3 when KD/Booker played but Beal did not. The suns are 35-11 since Beal got there when KD/Booker play without Beal.

For VaDe, KD had a +3.1 EPM.

Fit is very important and Phoenix clearly shot themselves in the foot letting their new owner step in and call all the shots. I definitely think KD can work wonders for this group and I think KD with this group and Spo coaching will attract even more talent

That's all great. Have I mentioned that he's 37 years old next season ... and he's going to get older every year after that?

We literally just did this with Jimmy. It's like someone walked into this forum with a neuralyzer.

Haha that’s true but he’s better than Jimmy and a better fit with the roster

[contract]

Definitely a gamble worth taking. If he can remain relatively healthy we’re fine because he’s going to produce at a high level for the next 3 years minimum. You don’t just go from averaging 27-6-4 on 64TS% to falling off a cliff and being washed up unless you suffer a major injury

Yeah, everything is calculated risk. No sure things.

Weve got some quality guys on this squad.

What we dont have is alpha scorer, gravity boy. Thats what takes the top off. KD is ASGB. Hes that guy. Hes been to multiple Finals. Hes won an MVP. Hes got 30K points. Hes still doing it.

By my expectations hes got that Lebron longevity and maniacal love/obsession for the game. Hes also......better than Butler!

Hes an opportunity. Weve got Bam and Herro ready to support. Weve got a bunch of ancillary players who play their roles really well.

It just makes sense.

Durant may be better than Jimmy, but the only time he's ever gotten near a championship was playing on a loaded team. Jimmy made more out of less.

[greg4012]

With this group? What group? We just won 37 games. The closest thing we have to a complimentary star player is Bam, and that's just not going to get it done. This group is not close.

Our fans seem to be addicted to insanity. Trading for Durant and extending him would be a disaster. Extending Herro will be a disaster. We need to get out from under past bad decisions, not double down on them.

Checking in to say that Herro has proven to provide value under his current contract (55th highest paid player in the NBA this season). Worth keeping in mind considering how many flagged it as a disastrous mistake at the time.

I'm hesitant on the the idea of extending Herro the first second he becomes eligible (what's the point?) for his new extension. But, I do think it provides some context in a world where everyone is so anchored in their preconceived positions.

It was a disastrous mistake. That mistake led to 4 straight years of Tyler dominating the ball and the shots ... which is about to lead to another disastrous extension. And he sucks. And he's going to suck even more at $50 million per when he's leading the team in shot attempts for the 7th year in a row.

Nice

[greg4012]

Definitely a gamble worth taking. If he can remain relatively healthy we’re fine because he’s going to produce at a high level for the next 3 years minimum. You don’t just go from averaging 27-6-4 on 64TS% to falling off a cliff and being washed up unless you suffer a major injury

Yeah, everything is calculated risk. No sure things.

Weve got some quality guys on this squad.

What we dont have is alpha scorer, gravity boy. Thats what takes the top off. KD is ASGB. Hes that guy. Hes been to multiple Finals. Hes won an MVP. Hes got 30K points. Hes still doing it.

By my expectations hes got that Lebron longevity and maniacal love/obsession for the game. Hes also......better than Butler!

Hes an opportunity. Weve got Bam and Herro ready to support. Weve got a bunch of ancillary players who play their roles really well.

It just makes sense.

Durant may be better than Jimmy, but the only time he's ever gotten near a championship was playing on a loaded team. Jimmy made more out of less.

What's important is to continue to move the goal posts of concern as each point gets debunked. Fear is king.

[greg4012]

With KD on the court and Beal/Booker off the Suns had a +9.03 net rating.

With Beal/Booker on and KD off they had a -12.87 net rating.

If you filter it to show only games that all 3 played in with KD on and the other two off they had a +21.53 Net rating, with KD off and those two on they had a -9.74 Net rating.

The Suns were 33-29 with Durant this year, 2-18 without him. I believe they were 15-3 when KD/Booker played but Beal did not. The suns are 35-11 since Beal got there when KD/Booker play without Beal.

For VaDe, KD had a +3.1 EPM.

Fit is very important and Phoenix clearly shot themselves in the foot letting their new owner step in and call all the shots. I definitely think KD can work wonders for this group and I think KD with this group and Spo coaching will attract even more talent

Add KD to this team and we are contenders.

I hear the talk about finding a star in their prime but theres also the talk about not having any assets to trade for one. With that being the case, then if we can get KD we def should, right?

Hes obviously a very good player. His game is the same as it ever was minus a few highlight dunks.

He may break down. He also might raise the roof for this team. Its a quality gamble IMO.

In the face of the current construction of the CBA and its effect on (1) killing free agency and (2) disincentivizing any star player from even considering leaving their original team until they're in their 30s, the avenues to obtain star players are extremely limited.

[DayofMourning]

Durant may be better than Jimmy, but the only time he's ever gotten near a championship was playing on a loaded team. Jimmy made more out of less.

Well, he has played in 170 playoff games which ranks 26th all time. Jimmy has played in 50 less.

Jimmy has played in 14 seasons. KD has played in 17.

That means Jimmy would basically have to go to 3 str8 Finals in a row to match KD.

Id say that adding an ultra productive KD to this potentially better supporting cast than Butler had might be a winning formula.

[DayofMourning]

In the face of the current construction of the CBA and its effect on (1) killing free agency and (2) disincentivizing any star player from even considering leaving their original team until they're in their 30s, the avenues to obtain star players are extremely limited.

Yes. The league has changed. Rules were put into effect to keep stars with their teams. Truth is, wed probably never be able to afford a true star in their prime in trade either, because what kinda dumbass team would ever do that? Um, besides the Mavs....

[greg4012]

Durant may be better than Jimmy, but the only time he's ever gotten near a championship was playing on a loaded team. Jimmy made more out of less.

Well, he has played in 170 playoff games which ranks 26th all time. Jimmy has played in 50 less.

Jimmy has played in 14 seasons. KD has played in 17.

That means Jimmy would basically have to go to 3 str8 Finals in a row to match KD.

Id say that adding an ultra productive KD to this potentially better supporting cast than Butler had might be a winning formula.

KD is 4th all time in playoff ppg--most efficient of the top 4. KD has had better than his average playoff scoring efficiency in 4 of his past 5 playoff appearances while scoring over 26 ppg in each of the past 5 playoff appearances.

[DayofMourning]

Durant may be better than Jimmy, but the only time he's ever gotten near a championship was playing on a loaded team. Jimmy made more out of less.

Well, he has played in 170 playoff games which ranks 26th all time. Jimmy has played in 50 less.

Jimmy has played in 14 seasons. KD has played in 17.

That means Jimmy would basically have to go to 3 str8 Finals in a row to match KD.

Id say that adding an ultra productive KD to this potentially better supporting cast than Butler had might be a winning formula.

KD is 4th all time in playoff ppg--most efficient of the top 4. KD has had better than his average scoring efficiency in 4 of his past 5 playoff appearances while scoring over 26 ppg in each of the past 5 playoff appearances.

Hes also 7th all time in playoff points. With a couple good years he could finish 2nd all time to Lebron.

He also fits our team perfectly. Everyone slides in to their natural roles. This should increase efficiency. Increased efficiency increases output.

Yeah, I wish we could trade four or so of our assets for a 25 year old KD and have him for the next 10 years, but that option isnt available and wont be.

[wade44]

Alpha playoff Jimmy > Beta playoff Durant

To say some fans are dying for another shortsighted move is an understatement. Feels like the same fans that were clamoring to trade for Rozier to “just do anything”

It’s beyond time the Heat starts making long term goals. Need to find that elusive franchise centerpiece in the draft somehow all while owing 2 future first rounders

[DayofMourning]

Alpha playoff Jimmy > Beta playoff Durant

To say some fans are dying for another shortsighted move is an understatement. Feels like the same fans that were clamoring to trade for Rozier to “just do anything”

It’s beyond time the Heat starts making long term goals. Need to find that elusive franchise centerpiece in the draft somehow all while owing 2 future first rounders

Draft 2 studs. Then trade the rest for KD.

[greg4012]

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Not my favorite consideration, but surely another consideration to explore/assess