2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3

[Wiltside]

MWP, what would a Kuminga trade look like? What would we have to send to GSW to facilitate a S&T?

[Rapaz]

Pimplinka what’s the scoop any deals happening?

I called Pat to finalize the Wiggins trade, but the man is completely delusional. He thinks his roster is set and texted me this:

[SA37]

I’m in for the Kum Bucket go watch him if you haven’t

Golden State does stuff weird the Kum Bucket is NICE he can play, and would probably be the alpha on this squad. He’s 22 years old BTW. Honestly reminds me of Jimmy just needs the platform

If Kuminga comes in here and is prioritized over Bam or Herro everyone needs to be fired. The sad reality is that he definitely will be prioritized over Bam, Spo loves his new shiny toys like Terry and Wiggins, Kuminga will be another.

Unless Kuminga turns into McGrady 2.0 or something like that

I think we've reached peak Bam/Herro. They're just not going to be better than semi-all-stars, and even then it will require injuries to better players for them to sniff an all-star game.

The Pacers have to be the Heat's blueprint until Miami gets a more talented offensive player. Offense by committee and hope Herro can be Haliburton in the clutch. But Miami needs better 2-way players than what they have, aka Robinson, Rozier, and Jovic won't cut it. And Miami would also need a facilitator at point guard, and there doesn't seem to be one of those on the market.

[SA37]

MWP, what would a Kuminga trade look like? What would we have to send to GSW to facilitate a S&T?

Someone mentioned on the Trade board that if Miami acquired Kuminga via S&T, Miami would be hard-capped at the 1st apron. I am going to assume this is correct. MWP can probably confirm/deny and give some detail as to where that would leave Miami financially to add FAs and use exceptions and the like.

[dshearn]

If Bam has the luxury of playing next to the playmakers a lot of the other guys did he’d be viewed completely different by this fanbase.

I don't watch a ton of basketball outside the Heat....

but, what I clearly noticed this year was how wonky the passing was...even more so then last year....dudes are reaching all over the place to try and reel in balls thrown in their general direction...or leaping into he rafters to snag a ball so it does not go out of bounds.


Rarely does a pass land on a players hands, with their base set and ready to shoot.


We will get guys wide open, and the passes are so sloppy, by the time someone gets the ball and resets their base...it is now a contested shot, or they have to pass the ball back out


It is hard to really go apples to apples on off ball players with that big of a handicap showing up as often as it did. Sure some games we end up with 30+ assists and things were tight enough passing the offense would sing....but we had a whole lot WTF was that passing too....

[batterybro42]

If Kuminga comes in here and is prioritized over Bam or Herro everyone needs to be fired. The sad reality is that he definitely will be prioritized over Bam, Spo loves his new shiny toys like Terry and Wiggins, Kuminga will be another.

Have you really watched him play? Bam is an accessory player on offense he isn’t taking a game over. Kuminga wants the smoke. If he’s worthy of it or not that’s for the moments to decide. What I do like is he’s a guy who frustrated he’s not getting them while playing with a top 10 player of all time in Curry

The Warriors have been in ring contention probably for what feels like your entire life, it’s not a fantastic place for a young guy to develop. Kuminga is 2 years younger than JJJ BTW

I have, he’s super athletic and there’s some upside with him being young but he’s a mediocre shooter, can’t dribble, can’t pass and refuses to pass (he’s a black hole) and he plays no defense.

I would disagree with the defense piece, I think what he struggles with is playing team defense which is an understandable thing for a guy in his early 20s. The things you point out are somewhat true. Guys who can’t really pass or shoot spot up 3s at a high level have a very specific niche, and it’s being the guy. Jimmy Butler faced similar problems and then was given a platform when Rose faded in Chicago and that role expanded at other stops.

It’s also important to note that Kuminga is currently the same age Jimmy Butler was when he was drafted into the league and averaged 2PPG for the Bulls. He’s a repressed asset of a team with a window that doesn’t match his timeline.

[SoFlaKingReal]

If Kuminga comes in here and is prioritized over Bam or Herro everyone needs to be fired. The sad reality is that he definitely will be prioritized over Bam, Spo loves his new shiny toys like Terry and Wiggins, Kuminga will be another.

Have you really watched him play? Bam is an accessory player on offense he isn’t taking a game over. Kuminga wants the smoke. If he’s worthy of it or not that’s for the moments to decide. What I do like is he’s a guy who frustrated he’s not getting them while playing with a top 10 player of all time in Curry

The Warriors have been in ring contention probably for what feels like your entire life, it’s not a fantastic place for a young guy to develop. Kuminga is 2 years younger than JJJ BTW

I have, he’s super athletic and there’s some upside with him being young but he’s a mediocre shooter, can’t dribble, can’t pass and refuses to pass (he’s a black hole) and he plays no defense.

Kuminga isn't a good free throw shooter either (below 70% on his career).

[batterybro42]

Have you really watched him play? Bam is an accessory player on offense he isn’t taking a game over. Kuminga wants the smoke. If he’s worthy of it or not that’s for the moments to decide. What I do like is he’s a guy who frustrated he’s not getting them while playing with a top 10 player of all time in Curry

The Warriors have been in ring contention probably for what feels like your entire life, it’s not a fantastic place for a young guy to develop. Kuminga is 2 years younger than JJJ BTW

I have, he’s super athletic and there’s some upside with him being young but he’s a mediocre shooter, can’t dribble, can’t pass and refuses to pass (he’s a black hole) and he plays no defense.

Kuminga isn't a good free throw shooter either (below 70% on his career).

If you can take Wiggins and trash and flip him for the KUM BUCKET you do it. NBA has a lot of talented players but not a ton of guys who get pissed when they don’t get the ball. Give me that we need a player like that. Kuminga is the anti Wiggins

[MettaWorldPanda]

MWP, what would a Kuminga trade look like? What would we have to send to GSW to facilitate a S&T?

My guess it’s Duncan and Haywood or third team for Wiggins

[MettaWorldPanda]

Lakers drafted Thiero which may pour a little water on Wiggins but maybe not

[DayofMourning]

Need Kuminya to work on that shot.

[SA37]

People getting a little too comfy on the Kuminga trade. If he didn't work in Golden St, that's yellow flag. That Golden St felt they needed to add Butler and couldn't count on Kuminga to play significant minutes and be option 2/3 for their team...is a yellow flag.

It's hard for me to stop thinking Kuminga is just Jerami Grant 2.0.

[Wiltside]

MWP, what would a Kuminga trade look like? What would we have to send to GSW to facilitate a S&T?

My guess it’s Duncan and Haywood or third team for Wiggins

So Duncan and Highsmith to GSW for Kuminga.

Wiggins to Lakers for Hachimura, Vincent and Knecht?

Dump Rozier on someone as an expiring?

PG - Vincent / Mitchell / Jakucionis
SG - Herro / Larsson / Burks?
SF - Kuminga / Knecht / Jaquez
PF - Adebayo / Hachimura
C - Ware / ?

Would be a logjam at the wing spot and lot of competition for PT and spots.

[Wiltside]

People getting a little too comfy on the Kuminga trade. If he didn't work in Golden St, that's yellow flag. That Golden St felt they needed to add Butler and couldn't count on Kuminga to play significant minutes and be option 2/3 for their team...is a yellow flag.

It's hard for me to stop thinking Kuminga is just Jerami Grant 2.0.

He might be.

Or maybe Golden State just haven't done a good job of developing their younger talent? They've had Kuminga, Wiseman, Moody....all who haven't panned out as planned to date. Kerr hasn't managed their development well really, while trying to bridge the two eras. Maybe there's reasons for that, or maybe they just needed a longer leash to learn through mistakes that he wasn't willing to give them.

Reminds me of the 2007-2009 Heat teams with DWade and then Beasley. Spo didn't give Mike many opportunities to learn through mistakes, because we were trying to keep DWade happy and competitive.

Whether Kuminga is a McGrady or a Beasley remains to be seen.

[SerialChiller]

Need Kuminya to work on that shot.

[DayofMourning]

Davion/Kasparas/Dru
Herro/Knecht/Larsson
Kuminga/Jaquez/Keshad
Bam/Jovic/Rui
Ware/Giannis/?

[batterybro42]

People getting a little too comfy on the Kuminga trade. If he didn't work in Golden St, that's yellow flag. That Golden St felt they needed to add Butler and couldn't count on Kuminga to play significant minutes and be option 2/3 for their team...is a yellow flag.

It's hard for me to stop thinking Kuminga is just Jerami Grant 2.0.

A team in the sun set of its best player in franchise history career and one of the best players of all time couldn’t depend on a 22 year old . Damning indictment.

Kuminga is a developing talent who has some really good tools and want to. He’s in a bad situation. Would put up 20+PPG playing the 3 here in his early 20s. Miami could probably sign him long term on a nice deal in 20-30 mil range. It’s fantastic value because he’s worth that, but could play himself towards max contract worth.


Davion
Herro
Kuminga
Bam
Ware
JJJ
Jovic
KJ
Pele
Keshad
Dru Smith


Bam is the oldest guy on this list

[Heat_Down_Under]

Davion/Kasparas/Dru
Herro/Knecht/Larsson
Kuminga/Jaquez/Keshad
Bam/Jovic/Rui
Ware/Giannis/?

Don’t think giannis will get much playing time because of Ware

[Enso]

Pimplinka what’s the scoop any deals happening?

I called Pat to finalize the Wiggins trade, but the man is completely delusional. He thinks his roster is set and texted me this:

[SA37]

People getting a little too comfy on the Kuminga trade. If he didn't work in Golden St, that's yellow flag. That Golden St felt they needed to add Butler and couldn't count on Kuminga to play significant minutes and be option 2/3 for their team...is a yellow flag.

It's hard for me to stop thinking Kuminga is just Jerami Grant 2.0.

A team in the sun set of its best player in franchise history career and one of the best players of all time couldn’t depend on a 22 year old . Damning indictment.

Kuminga is a developing talent who has some really good tools and want to

It is if they're hesitating on re-signing him. It isn't even like they had him as a 6th man.

He may still turn out to be a good player in the league. Who knows. But, yes, it is definitely a sign of where he is given he has now completed 4 seasons in the NBA.