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Bishop45 wrote:I've read the name Stanley Johnson one too many times; I'd rather give Garrett a shot, though I'm not confident that he can score in the NBA
The last roster spot should probably go to a vet that could help us tho-- if we're trying to go far this yr, need depth
AirP. wrote:A guy I'm interested in is Antonio Blakeney who I've seen with Chicago but last night he was with Portland, just looked at his box score and he scored 27 points in 10 FGA. I've noticed his offense when he was with Chicago and seems to have a lot of offensive punch but he's not really getting much of a chance at the NBA level. Maybe he's a guy who doesn't work well in a structured environment?
Last night's summer league highlights for him.Spoiler:
In Chicago.Spoiler:Spoiler:Spoiler:
Chalm Downs wrote:his nickname is boywonder ffs
RexBoyWonder wrote:AirP. wrote:A guy I'm interested in is Antonio Blakeney who I've seen with Chicago but last night he was with Portland, just looked at his box score and he scored 27 points in 10 FGA. I've noticed his offense when he was with Chicago and seems to have a lot of offensive punch but he's not really getting much of a chance at the NBA level. Maybe he's a guy who doesn't work well in a structured environment?
Last night's summer league highlights for him.Spoiler:
In Chicago.Spoiler:Spoiler:Spoiler:
Don't know about Blakeney but to me our biggest hole and need are clear - a player that really create and score and get buckets.
We have Herro who isn't very reliable at this stage, Lowry who is expected to miss time and our stars who aren't great scorers.
We need a guard that make things happen who the offense looks dead.
AirP. wrote:heat4life wrote:You guys are brutal
Give KZ the chance to have his first full summer and more than 20 games in the G-League before we find ways to dump him. The kid just turned 22 yo, younger than several Summer League undrafted players. He was a long term project for the coaching staff from the very beginning. Let's talk about dumping him after February at the very least.
I could understand being rusty, I don't understand how bad his movements with the ball are nearing his 3rd year of being a professional which is key because he has had time and the money to work on his game. My issue with KZ is that either he can't get better or doesn't have the work ethic to become better, it's alarming at this point and Miami has to make a decision with him at the end of next season with his contract ending.
I think Miami envisioned KZ being a cheap replacement for DJJ but that's not worked as plan and that's fine, everyone misses on draft picks because you don't know how passionate they will be with working on their game, sometimes you take chances and miss.
Unless KZ is traded he's not going anywhere this year, if they make a trade maybe they can add him to the package to create another open roster spot.
He's an end of the bench developmental player. If it works, great, if it doesn't, you move on. 
MettaWorldPanda wrote:heat4life wrote:You guys are brutal
Give KZ the chance to have his first full summer and more than 20 games in the G-League before we find ways to dump him. The kid just turned 22 yo, younger than several Summer League undrafted players. He was a long term project for the coaching staff from the very beginning. Let's talk about dumping him after February at the very least.
Two years away from being two years away
heat4life wrote:AirP. wrote:heat4life wrote:You guys are brutal
Give KZ the chance to have his first full summer and more than 20 games in the G-League before we find ways to dump him. The kid just turned 22 yo, younger than several Summer League undrafted players. He was a long term project for the coaching staff from the very beginning. Let's talk about dumping him after February at the very least.
I could understand being rusty, I don't understand how bad his movements with the ball are nearing his 3rd year of being a professional which is key because he has had time and the money to work on his game. My issue with KZ is that either he can't get better or doesn't have the work ethic to become better, it's alarming at this point and Miami has to make a decision with him at the end of next season with his contract ending.
I think Miami envisioned KZ being a cheap replacement for DJJ but that's not worked as plan and that's fine, everyone misses on draft picks because you don't know how passionate they will be with working on their game, sometimes you take chances and miss.
Unless KZ is traded he's not going anywhere this year, if they make a trade maybe they can add him to the package to create another open roster spot.
Alarming? Really?
I mean, do you have any kind of insider information from coaches or scouts related to his work ethic? And I honestly ask that since you say it with such conviction.
From my perspective, the only fact is that I don't know any better about KZ than you do. What I do know is that the sample size of games that were available to fans like us has been small so far. I get that he might not be to your liking, I can respect that but your statements about the use of his time, money or work ethic he might be lacking are pure speculative at this point. I don't find any of it alarming. Give it time for a bigger sample size is all I am saying.
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Going to end up being one of my fave Heat players of all time.
heat4life wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Going to end up being one of my fave Heat players of all time.
Is he wearing a "CULTURE" T-shirt?
He can't but it would be niceDayofMourning wrote:Goran coming back after a buyout?!?!
We can't get him back until his current contract expires; as in runs it's course. A buyout wouldn't make a difference. This contract has to expire for us to resign him.kundanp333 wrote:Longtime lurker (during off season), hardly a poster.
Under the current CBA rules, is it possible for Goran, should he be bought out by Raptors, to come back to the heat?
I am going to lean towards no and assuming that, here is a convoluted scenario I want to better understand (scenario to follow).
Disclaimer: I have no knowledge of how the CBA works and it's restrictions. However, it is my understanding that teams are able to swap picks for cash considerations - Is there a limit to how much cash?
If not, here is the scenario I was thinking of using a 3rd team
Toronto sends Goran to the 3rd Team (with enough operating CAP) in exchange for 2nd rounder or something small.
Heat send cash considerations for a draft pick (the amount of cash to buy out Goran + what the draft pick might be worth + some more for playing along (but less than what the heat would pay in taxes if they were a luxury tax payer))
3rd team will buy out Goran (using cash from the Heat). We sign him for minimum.
3rd team needs to be a cash hungry team that would be willing to play.
Is this possible? Can we somehow get this man back in a heat uniform so Jimmy doesn't force the switch to knock him down via offensive foul?
BBallFreak wrote:We can't get him back until his current contract expires; as in runs it's course. A buyout wouldn't make a difference. This contract has to expire for us to resign him.kundanp333 wrote:Longtime lurker (during off season), hardly a poster.
Under the current CBA rules, is it possible for Goran, should he be bought out by Raptors, to come back to the heat?
I am going to lean towards no and assuming that, here is a convoluted scenario I want to better understand (scenario to follow).
Disclaimer: I have no knowledge of how the CBA works and it's restrictions. However, it is my understanding that teams are able to swap picks for cash considerations - Is there a limit to how much cash?
If not, here is the scenario I was thinking of using a 3rd team
Toronto sends Goran to the 3rd Team (with enough operating CAP) in exchange for 2nd rounder or something small.
Heat send cash considerations for a draft pick (the amount of cash to buy out Goran + what the draft pick might be worth + some more for playing along (but less than what the heat would pay in taxes if they were a luxury tax payer))
3rd team will buy out Goran (using cash from the Heat). We sign him for minimum.
3rd team needs to be a cash hungry team that would be willing to play.
Is this possible? Can we somehow get this man back in a heat uniform so Jimmy doesn't force the switch to knock him down via offensive foul?
We cannot get him back this year under any circumstance, save for the NBA voiding the trade for Lowry.
RexBoyWonder wrote:BenoUdrihFTL wrote:What I'm not understanding about this "tampering" here is who is supposed to be the aggrieved party? Raptors had no intention of retaining Lowry and wanted to S&T him. Miami wanted Lowry, Lowry wanted Miami, Toronto wanted to send Lowry to Miami
Aside from this being a victimless "crime", I find it extremely unlikely that Miami was communicating directly with Lowry about the new contract terms when Toronto could've been the intermediary on that front, which would all be perfectly legal. Especially since Miami and Toronto were already communicating for months over the trade framework in the first place
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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Bishop45 wrote:I've read the name Stanley Johnson one too many times; I'd rather give Garrett a shot, though I'm not confident that he can score in the NBA
The last roster spot should probably go to a vet that could help us tho-- if we're trying to go far this yr, need depth
Forget Stanley. Give me Bacon or Ennis.
RexBoyWonder wrote:
Don't know about Blakeney but to me our biggest hole and need are clear - a player that really create and score and get buckets.
We have Herro who isn't very reliable at this stage, Lowry who is expected to miss time and our stars who aren't great scorers.
We need a guard that make things happen who the offense looks dead.