**NBA Draft Discussion 2024**

[MettaWorldPanda]

The 15th pick is going to cost the team 3.5 million. Considering how the current cap situation is, I would say we will be going with BPA instant contributor type.

[greg4012]

Not to harp on the guy, but how would you rate Holmes's athletically on a 1-10 scale?

I think this might be the final factor that sours me on him, I'd rate him as a below average athlete, just looks weak, and like he's running in mud..slow and low of the ground. If you're an undersized big with a questionable shot you really need to be more explosive and strong, I just don't see it.

I have Both Ware and Filipowski above him.

Nothing wrong with harping. Keeps things interesting.

I think he's a weird athlete because he has a higher center of gravity with his high waist. He's in no way slow-footed IMO and he's damn agile with solid body control, solid foot speed, and elite hand-eye coordination. He's also prone to look funny moving out there and get moved off his spots by some stronger players.

Here's my question: how does a below average athlete that is an undersized big (6'9 with a 7'1 wingspan) put up more dunks in one college season than every player over the past 16 seasons except the following 11:

- Zach Edey (7'3 with a 7'10 wingspan)
- Aziz Bandaogo (7'0 with a 7'3 wingspan)
- Mark Williams (7'0 with 7'7 wingspan; starting NBA center)
- Clifford Omoruyi (6'9 with a 7'7 wingspan)
- Obi Toppin (top 10 pick)
- Udoka Azabuike (7'0 with 7'7 wingspan)
- Marvin Bagley (6'10 with a 7'1 wingspan; #2 pick)
- Tacko Fall (7'6 with 8'2 wingspan)
- Bam Adebayo (6'9 with 7'2.75 wingspan; All-Star Center)
- Montrezl Harrell (6'7 with 7'4 wingspan)
- Anthony Davis (6'10 with 7'6 wingspan; All-Star C/PF)

That's 11 players since 2008 that have produced more dunks in a college season than Holmes. 7 of them have giant features (7'+ height or 7'5+ wingspan). 2 of them are All-Star caliber players. 5 of them were top 15 picks (Edey may be joining that group). 6 of them have proven to be quality NBA rotation players, at minimum (all of the non giants). I believe that's a testament to his functional athleticism even if it's not radiating off the screen like an And 1 Mixtape.

Holmes has an unorthodox combo of athletic traits and skills. I think the combination is translatable, but I get the concerns and it's the reason he's not a consensus top 10 pick despite showing a nearly unprecedented blend of inside-outside scoring and defense.

[greg4012]

Ulrich Chomche. Need more analysis on him please. Anyone. Ive seen enough to be highly intrigued. Athlete. Bam level passer. Smart.

Woah! Can you give some background on him being a Bam level passer?

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Holmes and da Silva also at the PDX workout

[greg4012]

Ulrich Chomche. Need more analysis on him please. Anyone. Ive seen enough to be highly intrigued. Athlete. Bam level passer. Smart.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/ulrich-chomche

This 6'11 with a 7'4 beast who blocks almost 3 per game also shot 38% from 3 at 7 attempts per game?!

There's no way DOM

No way

Bit of an extrapolation per 36, but yeah, dude has the measurements, the bounce, the IQ, etc.

I really like him.

Hes a hidden gem right now and a bit of a project, but Id draft him without a 2nd thought.

Are all of these stats based on 3 games played in the NBA Academy Africa program where the below was the brand of basketball played?

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[greg4012]

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Holmes and da Silva also at the PDX workout

Looks like that was a year ago before the deadline to return to college.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Holmes and da Silva also at the PDX workout

Looks like that was a year ago before the deadline to return to college.

Good pickup. Did not see the date. Just came on my feed looking for workout info. At least we got a side by side comparison of the two out of this lol. I do worry about Portland sniping us for da Silva

[MettaWorldPanda]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/

Only real notables

Kel'el Ware- Trailblazers and Raptors

Zach Edey- Pelicans

[greg4012]

Would absolutely love for Ware to blow Miami away as a person and show a clear drive to be great that can be fostered and developed.

[DayofMourning]

https://www.tankathon.com/players/ulrich-chomche

This 6'11 with a 7'4 beast who blocks almost 3 per game also shot 38% from 3 at 7 attempts per game?!

There's no way DOM

No way

Bit of an extrapolation per 36, but yeah, dude has the measurements, the bounce, the IQ, etc.

I really like him.

Hes a hidden gem right now and a bit of a project, but Id draft him without a 2nd thought.

Are all of these stats based on 3 games played in the NBA Academy Africa program where the below was the brand of basketball played?

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Here's everything available Stat wise. Extremely limited game log.

[DayofMourning]

Ulrich Chomche. Need more analysis on him please. Anyone. Ive seen enough to be highly intrigued. Athlete. Bam level passer. Smart.

Woah! Can you give some background on him being a Bam level passer?

It's the vision on some of his passes. I don't have a big enough sample size but the games I watched he had some super pinpoint passes that made my jaw drop.

[greg4012]

Ulrich Chomche. Need more analysis on him please. Anyone. Ive seen enough to be highly intrigued. Athlete. Bam level passer. Smart.

Woah! Can you give some background on him being a Bam level passer?

It's the vision on some of his passes. I don't have a big enough sample size but the games I watched he had some super pinpoint passes that made my jaw drop.

Awesome--can you share some preferred clips? I mostly inquire bc he seems to be a very willing passer (indicator of court vision), but his turnover numbers are even more astronomical. Often for young prospects (he's def young and raw), that's part of the growing pains to hone one's passing.

[DayofMourning]

Woah! Can you give some background on him being a Bam level passer?

It's the vision on some of his passes. I don't have a big enough sample size but the games I watched he had some super pinpoint passes that made my jaw drop.

Awesome--can you share some preferred clips? I mostly inquire bc he seems to be a very willing passer (indicator of court vision), but his turnover numbers are even more astronomical. Often for young prospects (he's def young and raw), that's part of the growing pains to hone one's passing.

The most recent I watched was the Nike hoop summit. He had a post feed that showed great vision and accuracy. I watched the full game, so no clips.

If you haven't watched that game, please do. Awesome amount of talent.

[twix2500]

Ulrich Chomche. Need more analysis on him please. Anyone. Ive seen enough to be highly intrigued. Athlete. Bam level passer. Smart.

I know he recently signed with our favorite agency Klutch lol

I will give a quick analysis on Chomche. He is an extremely raw player. He doesnt know the game well. He is all physical specimen. He is the type of player you might draft and if you are willing to send him away for 4 years to develop him. He is not good enough to be on any roster right now.

[DayofMourning]

Ulrich Chomche. Need more analysis on him please. Anyone. Ive seen enough to be highly intrigued. Athlete. Bam level passer. Smart.

I know he recently signed with our favorite agency Klutch lol

I will give a quick analysis on Chomche. He is an extremely raw player. He doesnt know the game well. He is all physical specimen. He is the type of player you might draft and if you are willing to send him away for 4 years to develop him. He is not good enough to be on any roster right now.

Yeah buddy. Once we do the DOM roster cleanse, he will be well on his way;)

[DayofMourning]

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[Bishop45]

Lotta noise (negative) being made about this kid not being able to dribble-- wonder where he falls

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[greg4012]

I'm prob getting annoying playing around with this database, but I like sharing the tidbits. The following is the list of all college players from 2008 to present under 7 feet tall to have over 70 dunks in a season:



Notable takeaways:

- There are 18 total players to have hit/exceeded the 70 dunk threshold since 2008
- Daron Holmes did it 3 times. Obi Toppin, Montrezl Harrell, and Trayce Jackson-Davis did it twice
- 3 of the 18 players have not yet gone through the draft (Holmes, Jonathan Mogbo, Clifford Omoruyi)
- Among the remaining 15 players that have gone through the draft, 9 of them have been regular NBA starters & Montrezl Harrell was a 6th Man of the Year (10 starting caliber players)
- 4 of the 15 players have been named All-Stars multiple times.
- 11 of the 15 players have proven to be quality NBA rotation players at minimum
- The 2 that did not become NBA rotation players are Brice Johnson and Chimezie Metu. Charles Bassey is on the fringe, but still young.

It's very notable that the 2 players that couldn't stick in the NBA from this list are the 2 lightest players with sub-par center length.

Chimezie Metu - 6'8.5 (7'0.5 wingspan) weighing 220 pounds
Brice Johnson - 6'9 (7'0 wingspan) weighing 209 pounds

I definitely can see the bear case with comparing Holmes [6'9 (7'1 wingspan) weighing 236 pounds] to the 2 flops. But, I also see the plethora of ways in which Holmes is distinct from those 2 and superior as a NBA prospect
- Holmes is one of the only 2 players from the group of 18 to show 3-pt shooting potential (along with Toppin)
- Holmes achieved a top 6 block percentage among this group of 18 players (as a Freshman)
- Holmes had the 3rd best Assist Rate of the group of 18 players (as a Junior)
- Holmes hit the dunk threshold each of his 3 seasons (the flops only did it as upperclassmen)
- Holmes is longer and stronger than the 2 flops (though you'd wish there was still some more size)

Most of all, these results are shedding some light on the value of looking at Dunk stats as an enlightening part of the assessment for correlating college paint scoring to NBA level success (especially among non-giants)

[greg4012]

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Nothing groundbreaking here, but I always appreciate Brady's breakdown of the game and insight for the Heat's perspective
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[lastb1ckman]

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Slightly unrelated, what's the point of big boards once the draft order has been set? I never really understood why draft scouts do them so late in the process.