Dwyane Wade: The Road to Respectability

[Hallstar]

In Wade's case, 3-years and he said he wouldn't take any less than $20 million per year, which in todays market, is fair game. My wording was extreme, I'll admit that but where you're lost in the entire conversation, is that they had meeting scheduled with KD which becomes completely pointless if Wade's offered that deal before they can either a) trade Dragic/McBob, b) get in the room with KD, or c) both. Not difficult to understand.

Nothing can get signed until the 7th, so what you're saying isn't true in the slighest. Do you know why there were reports that Whiteside was willing to "kickback" some of his salary if Riley got Durant? Its because he was offered a contract that actually would prevent us from getting Durant, before we knew we were getting Durant. That's respect. Wade wasn't even offered any decent contract, after years of being very cooperative to the point of looking like an idiot, with this team.

Riley could have offered him the contract he supposedly intended to offer him no matter what, and still went after KD. because after all, the reported plan was to bring Wade back, just that if KD agreed we'd move Dragic, McRoberts to clear the necessary room. So why did Wade's offer have to come after Durant, especially when Whiteside's didn't?

uh cause there were multiple teams lining up to offer Whiteside max on day one. supply and demand. there is demand for whiteside. i've yet to hear about any concrete offers for wade from other treams (just "talks").

Because Whiteside made it clear he was fielding offers before FA.

Wade being the loyal idiot didn't think he would have to.

You think the Hawks wouldn't pay Wade instead of Kent Bazemore?

[contract]

But you know what, this is why the organization needed to be more careful with "Heat lifer" stuff....trying to mix family and business almost never works. Wade should've known the franchise was going after Durant, but at the same time if the organization made promises to take care of him, then you have make do on it. Wade, LBJ, CP3, and others talk....next thing you know this franchise gets a bad rap which isn't deserved. They're doing what they're suppose to do in the end.

Pursuing Durant or anyone else should have never been at Wade's expense. The fact that Wade is the guy that has to stand in line waiting to see what money is left over for him is absurd.

[Heat3]

Nothing can get signed until the 7th, so what you're saying isn't true in the slighest. Do you know why there were reports that Whiteside was willing to "kickback" some of his salary if Riley got Durant? Its because he was offered a contract that actually would prevent us from getting Durant, before we knew we were getting Durant. That's respect. Wade wasn't even offered any decent contract, after years of being very cooperative to the point of looking like an idiot, with this team.

Riley could have offered him the contract he supposedly intended to offer him no matter what, and still went after KD. because after all, the reported plan was to bring Wade back, just that if KD agreed we'd move Dragic, McRoberts to clear the necessary room. So why did Wade's offer have to come after Durant, especially when Whiteside's didn't?

uh cause there were multiple teams lining up to offer Whiteside max on day one. supply and demand. there is demand for whiteside. i've yet to hear about any concrete offers for wade from other treams (just "talks").

Because Whiteside made it clear he was fielding offers before FA.

Wade being the loyal idiot didn't think he would have to.

You think the Hawks wouldn't pay Wade instead of Kent Bazemore?

Wade is a grown ass man in the league for 13 years with a team of agents around him. He's not some confused kid being taken advantage of. He had the savvy in 2006 to sign for less so he could cash in in 2010.

[Enso]

Bob going to have a breakout year if we don't trade him

Pls

Contract year brah

[Shewasfly]

Nothing can get signed until the 7th, so what you're saying isn't true in the slighest. Do you know why there were reports that Whiteside was willing to "kickback" some of his salary if Riley got Durant? Its because he was offered a contract that actually would prevent us from getting Durant, before we knew we were getting Durant. That's respect. Wade wasn't even offered any decent contract, after years of being very cooperative to the point of looking like an idiot, with this team.

Riley could have offered him the contract he supposedly intended to offer him no matter what, and still went after KD. because after all, the reported plan was to bring Wade back, just that if KD agreed we'd move Dragic, McRoberts to clear the necessary room. So why did Wade's offer have to come after Durant, especially when Whiteside's didn't?

uh cause there were multiple teams lining up to offer Whiteside max on day one. supply and demand. there is demand for whiteside. i've yet to hear about any concrete offers for wade from other treams (just "talks").

Because Whiteside made it clear he was fielding offers before FA.

Wade being the loyal idiot didn't think he would have to.

You think the Hawks wouldn't pay Wade instead of Kent Bazemore?

This is a huge point too. Teams generally plan for FA and who they are going to target. No one goes in blindly. So most expected Wade to resign and didn't even believe him to be an attainable target so that's a factor too.

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Spoiler:

What the hell, lets try this one more time.

1. Dwyane Wade is not a charity case.

Did I say he was a charity? Do the Heat not run a business? Do you think that just doling damn near the rest the Heat's cap space for one player is the wise thing to do, even understanding the market? No? Yeah.....I didn't think so either. Putting words in my mouth doesn't make you any more or less accurate.

2. He's not the team mascot.

Again with the strawmen.

3. Dwyane Wade is the best player on this team, and still one of the top handful of players at his position in the entire NBA.

Wholeheartedly agree. Durant is better, and Miami wanted to see where that went. Sue them.

4. We're not doing him a favor by actually you know ... paying him for his services.

You need to comprehend what people write better, because I'm pretty sure I said the Heat will undoubtedly pay him his $$, and not the whack *** $10 million a year offer that I heard they initially offered. I was clear that it was a disrespectful offer, even understanding the workings of negotiation.

5. The "lifetime achievement" money that you think is being discussed is actually called "a commensurate salary" for his performance on the court.

Yeah, you've said this already, only in more words. See above response.

Take a look around the league at the going rate for top players. Top players on their own teams if you don't consider him a top player in the NBA anymore. Or hell, just take a look around our own team. $20 mil a year is not an act of generosity on the part of the Heat towards Wade. It's the going rate.

And the fact that Wade had to sit around and wait to see what Whiteside and Durant were going to do before finding out whether or not the Heat had any intentions of paying him was yet one more slap in the face.

What the hell, let's try this one more time. This is a case where both sides are in the right...

No it's not. There is no way to spin screwing Wade into being in the right. This team used to ask Wade to sacrifice. They've stopped asking.

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uh cause there were multiple teams lining up to offer Whiteside max on day one. supply and demand. there is demand for whiteside. i've yet to hear about any concrete offers for wade from other treams (just "talks").

Because Whiteside made it clear he was fielding offers before FA.

Wade being the loyal idiot didn't think he would have to.

You think the Hawks wouldn't pay Wade instead of Kent Bazemore?

Wade is a grown ass man in the league for 13 years with a team of agents around him. He's not some confused kid being taken advantage of. He had the savvy in 2006 to sign for less so he could cash in in 2010.

Umm ... did he cash in 2010?

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How could they make him an offer before knowing what KD was going to do?

The same way we could for Whiteside.

Miami made the right decision in locking up Whiteside first, it's a value contract and he woul d have be gone if we didn't.

I think we've arrived at the answer. It's OK to screw Wade because everyone is sure that he's not going anywhere.

[DayofMourning]

Play the role of GM for the Heat this offseason, contract. How would you have handled it? Who would you have signed first, last, how much?

[Heat_Fan_87]

Play the role of GM for the Heat this offseason, contract. How would you have handled it? Who would you have signed first, last, how much?

if we wante to keep whiteside there is nothing else we could do. after signing whiteside there is 18.6mil left and we have to sign wade too, and he doesnt want to take a pay cut. so there really is nothing we can do other than move bob(add 6mil of space) and/or dragoc(16mil of space)

just wait 1 year and see what happens with bosh.

[Heat3]

Because Whiteside made it clear he was fielding offers before FA.

Wade being the loyal idiot didn't think he would have to.

You think the Hawks wouldn't pay Wade instead of Kent Bazemore?

Wade is a grown ass man in the league for 13 years with a team of agents around him. He's not some confused kid being taken advantage of. He had the savvy in 2006 to sign for less so he could cash in in 2010.

Umm ... did he cash in 2010?

signing a $107M contract is no longer cashing in?
Carmelo had to wait 2 years to sign his contract because he didn't have the savvy Wade, Bosh, and Lebron did.

[DayofMourning]

Play the role of GM for the Heat this offseason, contract. How would you have handled it? Who would you have signed first, last, how much?

if we wante to keep whiteside there is nothing else we could do. after signing whiteside there is 18.6mil left and we have to sign wade too, and he doesnt want to take a pay cut. so there really is nothing we can do other than move bob(add 6mil of space) and/or dragoc(16mil of space)

just wait 1 year and see what happens with bosh.

That's my point. We have to sign White, we have to go after Durant. Two big time players that you're not sure of, but have to go after as a priority. Wade has been here his whole career, he's a major, major reason we are three time champions. If you can count on anyone to let things play out in FA, then you should be able to count on Wade being an interested bystander. He'll get his.

[MettaWorldPanda]

We might as well just keep everything in tack. Sign a few value free agents or reward some of our D League players. Even keep McBob at his number with his player option coming up. He may be motivated to shoot a little bit more.

[Mos_Heat]

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[Grumpy Heat Fan]

I know I aint hearing Wade talking about sign and trading to Cleveland.......

[Shewasfly]

Guys you don't get it we aren't signing Wade. Wade would have been signed. Wade is meeting in NYC with the Bucks. Wade had Lebron whispering in his ear the whole weekend. Dude's gone.

Now we have all this cash and nobody to spend it on and don't say TJ he ain't worth it.

We probably never planned to. I wonder what the "we were always going to take care of Wade" crew will say now. Probably something along the lines of "it was for the best" "Riley's always right" etc.

[vanhowell]

Wade will receive multiple offers from other teams now after the Decision 2.0

[Shewasfly]

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They don't have space do they? I can only see Wade going to a contender so I'm not worried about them stealing him (assuming we actually still want him). If the Spurs or somebody starts clearing out space for Wade then we have a real problem.

[contract]

Wade is a grown ass man in the league for 13 years with a team of agents around him. He's not some confused kid being taken advantage of. He had the savvy in 2006 to sign for less so he could cash in in 2010.

Umm ... did he cash in 2010?

signing a $107M contract is no longer cashing in?
Carmelo had to wait 2 years to sign his contract because he didn't have the savvy Wade, Bosh, and Lebron did.

He took less than the max, less than Lebron and Bosh so UD could earn a little more, and then opted out of the last 2 years to help the Heat try to sign Kyle Lowry ... and ended up settling for Shawne Williams(?).

And fyi unsavvy Melo ($181m) has earned a TON more than Wade ($156m) ... and Melo still has another $79m guaranteed left on his current contract.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Umm ... did he cash in 2010?

signing a $107M contract is no longer cashing in?
Carmelo had to wait 2 years to sign his contract because he didn't have the savvy Wade, Bosh, and Lebron did.

He took less than the max, less than Lebron and Bosh so UD could earn a little more, and then opted out of the last 2 years to help the Heat try to sign Kyle Lowry ... and ended up settling for Shawne Williams(?).

And fyi unsavvy Melo ($181m) has earned a TON more than Wade ($156m) ... and Melo still has another $79m guaranteed left on his current contract.

And Melo got 0 rangs while Wade got 3, a Finals MVP, and 5 trips to the Finals

Wade made up the difference and more in endorsements for being a 3 time champ