Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place?

[greg4012]

Bam is only a Center because of our system but everyone knows hes a PF.

Bam is a big man. Bam is a front court player with ability to match up against any one defensively.

The incessant need for some fans to pigeonhole a player into an antiquated positional structure and then advocate and obsess over it is beyond bizarre to me.

[Shewasfly]

I don't see how getting Thad Young helps us in any significant way. We may as well keep Duncan for a whale trade if that's all we can get for him this season. Some of the other guards mentioned we trade for don't really help us either.

I am still hoping that Spo sees the light and lets Bam play PF alongside a real C. It doesn't have to be Yogurt, since I know Spo doesn't trust rookies, and also likes to show his "vets" respect by honoring their roles as long as they are available to play, regardless of how they play. If he's willing to do that, I still think we should be going after Turner.

As the owner and operator of the Turner to Miami bandwagon, I really think he is the absolute perfect fit. Has the defense we need and Spo prioritizes, as well as the shooting to still give Bam and Jimmy space. It just makes sense. He is probably even less expensive now with the foot injury, although that is certainly a worry. He's also an expiring next year I believe. If it doesn't work out, he'd still be a valuable trade piece or just come off the books.

I just think if he can seriously be had for Duncan, which I think he can, we should be going all in to win this year.

[gom]

Agree with everything, though I should say I'd be more comfortable matching a TJ like offer sheet for Martin than I was for TJ. But signing him to the MidLevel right now, and assuming no cap saving trade is made, this would mean we have to renounce someone like Oladipo next year right?

We have Dipo's rights. He will sign over the cap.

airp is right though. This season Martin couldn't play in the postseason unless we convert his deal to a min by Apr. He needs to be signed to a regular deal by April 11. Also, as of today (jan 20) all 2-way contracts are guaranteed until the end of the season.

[HEATVols865]

Yoooooooo! Beal will decline his player option…what deals can we make to get cap room for him?

Lowry, Beal, Jimmy, Bam and Yurt wins a championship.
I’m ok giving up Uncan, Herro for Beal.


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[HEATVols865]

Bam is only a Center because of our system but everyone knows hes a PF.

Bam is a big man. Bam is a front court player with ability to match up against any one defensively.

The incessant need for some fans to pigeonhole a player into an antiquated positional structure and then advocate and obsess over it is beyond bizarre to me.

Embiid owns Bam’s ass and it’s not even close.
Giannis gave him fits.
All elite bugs give him fits.


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[Wiltside]

Yoooooooo! Beal will decline his player option…what deals can we make to get cap room for him?

Lowry, Beal, Jimmy, Bam and Yurt wins a championship.
I’m ok giving up Uncan, Herro for Beal.


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Honestly, Beal hasn't been that great this year.

Bradley Beal (28yrs): 23.7ppg, 4.7rpg, 6.4apg, 0.9spg, 0.4bpg, 3.3tpg, 35.9mpg on 45.3%fg, 30.3% 3fg (1.7/5.5) and 83.3%ft (4.2/5.0)
Tyler Herro (22yrs): 20.7ppg, 4.9rpg, 4.0apg, 0.6spg, 0.2bpg, 2.8tpg, 32.9mpg on 43.0%fg, 38.8% 3fg (2.6/6.8) and 87.6%ft (2.8/3.2)

Beal also is about to get very expensive. So it Tyler, but not at the same number as Beal is about to get.

He's a better player than Herro right now - he's in his prime - but he's also 6.5yrs older than him and having his worst statistical year since 2016-17.

It's probably a moot point. I don't think we'd even be able to fit him into a trade at any rate.

[Hallstar]

Washington would do that without a second thought. They've never done anything with Beal and get a younger, cheaper, and actually bigger guard that can offer similar production.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

No one wanted to see bam do bad.. but also no one thinks bam is the 3rd best centre in the league like u do… bam is a max player and should start scoring like one.. if you guys are going to counter argue with that’s not who he is blah blah trade him then. You got rookie contract players on the team averaging more than our “max player”

Oh so you tie max contracts to strictly scoring, I see now lmao!

20-10-3 while being the best defender in the world is max worthy.

You want him to score more then give him Herros usage and attempts and he’ll be the leading scorer on the team. Your boy is also like a bottom 5 defender in the league from a stat that was posted here a week or so ago. Guess that doesn’t matter.

I stopped reading after bam “being the best defender in the world” let me know when he wins defensive player of the season..

It’s probably good you stopped reading, too much hate in your heart to understand

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam is only a Center because of our system but everyone knows hes a PF.

Bam is a big man. Bam is a front court player with ability to match up against any one defensively.

The incessant need for some fans to pigeonhole a player into an antiquated positional structure and then advocate and obsess over it is beyond bizarre to me.

This. Dude has literally played center his entire life. We went to the finals with him at center. Now people want to claim he’s a PF lol. Cool he can play both but he’s a center first, always has been. Hell dominate the game at either position so who cares

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don't see how getting Thad Young helps us in any significant way. We may as well keep Duncan for a whale trade if that's all we can get for him this season. Some of the other guards mentioned we trade for don't really help us either.

I am still hoping that Spo sees the light and lets Bam play PF alongside a real C. It doesn't have to be Yogurt, since I know Spo doesn't trust rookies, and also likes to show his "vets" respect by honoring their roles as long as they are available to play, regardless of how they play. If he's willing to do that, I still think we should be going after Turner.

As the owner and operator of the Turner to Miami bandwagon, I really think he is the absolute perfect fit. Has the defense we need and Spo prioritizes, as well as the shooting to still give Bam and Jimmy space. It just makes sense. He is probably even less expensive now with the foot injury, although that is certainly a worry. He's also an expiring next year I believe. If it doesn't work out, he'd still be a valuable trade piece or just come off the books.

I just think if he can seriously be had for Duncan, which I think he can, we should be going all in to win this year.

I’d love Turner, that new recent stress reaction injury in his foot has me worried though. Would we give Duncan KZ and a pick just to take the gamble or would we play it safe and go after a barber/buddy type trade

[Wiltside]

Caleb Martin's last 2 months:

December (8 games): 13.3ppg, 4.5rpg, 1.9apg, 0.9bpg, 0.9spg, 1.1tpg, 29.3mpg on 56.5%fg, 43.3% 3fg (1.6/3.8) and 68.2%ft (1.9/2.8)
January (9 games): 13.7ppg, 6.0rpg, 1.0apg, 0.4bpg, 1.2spg, 1.1tpg, 28.9mpg on 55.8%fg, 41.9% 3fg (1.4/3.4) and 93.3%ft (1.6/1.7)

26yrs old and starting to break out. This doesn't include the elite defence he has been playing either. What a find.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam is only a Center because of our system but everyone knows hes a PF.

Bam is a big man. Bam is a front court player with ability to match up against any one defensively.

The incessant need for some fans to pigeonhole a player into an antiquated positional structure and then advocate and obsess over it is beyond bizarre to me.

Embiid owns Bam’s ass and it’s not even close.
Giannis gave him fits.
All elite bugs give him fits.


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Something doesn’t seem to add up. I’ll try to find Embiid numbers.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Caleb Martin's last 2 months:

December (8 games): 13.3ppg, 4.5rpg, 1.9apg, 0.9bpg, 0.9spg, 1.1tpg, 29.3mpg on 56.5%fg, 43.3% 3fg (1.6/3.8) and 68.2%ft (1.9/2.8)
January (9 games): 13.7ppg, 6.0rpg, 1.0apg, 0.4bpg, 1.2spg, 1.1tpg, 28.9mpg on 55.8%fg, 41.9% 3fg (1.4/3.4) and 93.3%ft (1.6/1.7)

26yrs old and starting to break out. This doesn't include the elite defence he has been playing either. What a find.

Give him the max, I’ve seen enough

[Heat_Down_Under]

Oh so you tie max contracts to strictly scoring, I see now lmao!

20-10-3 while being the best defender in the world is max worthy.

You want him to score more then give him Herros usage and attempts and he’ll be the leading scorer on the team. Your boy is also like a bottom 5 defender in the league from a stat that was posted here a week or so ago. Guess that doesn’t matter.

I stopped reading after bam “being the best defender in the world” let me know when he wins defensive player of the season..

It’s probably good you stopped reading, too much hate in your heart to understand

Lolllll now I know your just trolling… first bam is the 3rd best centre in the league, secondly he’s the best defender in the world, thirdly he doesn’t need offence to be the best and a max player, he’s defence makes him the best and a max player (but he’s better than gobert?) gtfo lolll

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I stopped reading after bam “being the best defender in the world” let me know when he wins defensive player of the season..

It’s probably good you stopped reading, too much hate in your heart to understand

Lolllll now I know your just trolling… first bam is the 3rd best centre in the league, secondly he’s the best defender in the world, thirdly he doesn’t need offence to be the best and a max player, he’s defence makes him the best and a max player (but he’s better than gobert?) gtfo lolll

When did I say his defense makes him the best center? Embiid and Jokic are better, that’s it. Name every defender better than Bam in the league…list them. He finished 4th for DPOY last year with basically 0 name recognition or marketing until the end of the season.

And don’t say Gobert, that dude literally gets played off the court in the playoffs because he gets exposed on switches. Bam is one of the very few that can guard 1-5. Giannis doesn’t even take the challenge of guarding the teams best player, he just constantly let KD cook them last year in the playoffs.

I also never said he doesn’t need offense, literally never said that. He averages an efficient 20-10 and is one of the best passers when it comes to bigs in the league.

You guys get upset and start with these ridiculous claims. Please stop putting words in my mouth. You probably think Herro is better than Bam because he averages a less efficient 21 with near league worst defense. Literally his least efficient season of his career, the only thing that’s changed is his increase in shots and usage. I’m hoping he puts it all together though so he can help the team. Which is my main concern, idk why you’re constantly trying to tear our 2nd best player down (by far) because he averages like 4 less points than you want him too

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Best defender in the world, go debate a wall.

[Heat_Down_Under]

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*yawn* go debate nba.com because bam isn’t even in top 8 in current rankings for DPOY.. I’ll wait for your “but he was injured excuse”..

[BenoUdrihFTL]

tl/dr: There is a good reason why the Heat aren't changing Caleb's deal to a "standard nba contract"

A player on a two-way contract won’t be eligible to play in the postseason, they were last year but they didn't continue that rule this year.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-to-carry-over-most-of-new-two-way-rules-to-2021-22-season/ar-AAMf2WH

Hey been busy lately but to revisit our Herro discussion, I finally found a source that should shed some light on my take that Herro's efficiency as a starter had less to do with him being a starter and more to do with him being forced into the role as primary (and often only) creator

Herro when Butler doesn't play (14 games): 20.9 ppg on 51.7% TS
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=tyler+herro+ts%25+without+jimmy+butler+2021-22

Herro when Butler plays (24 games): 20.5 ppg on 55.4 TS%
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=tyler+herro+ts%25+with+jimmy+butler+2021-22

For me, my only concern right now is his efficiency as a 2nd (or even 3rd if Bam can ever grow a pair) option. What Herro does in games where he's trying to play a 2006 Kobe Bryant role as the only creator in a depleted G-league lineup is irrelevant to me at this stage of his career. So throw those 14 games out as far as I'm concerned. A 20+ ppg scorer on 55.4% TS is what Herro is at this stage of his career (as a developing 3rd year player with one NBA offseason), and tho it's not setting the world on fire, it's essentially league average (55.7%). It took Beal till year 4 to finally crack league average (when it was only 54.1%) and Booker achieved it in year 3

And tho that efficiency is average, that league average takes into account literally every player in the league, including those players who are simply asked to finish rather than create plays (most of the league). But there simply aren't many players on the planet who can volume score on average or better efficiency; among players with enough games to qualify (so no Butler, for instance) there's 17 players in the NBA this season who score 20+ ppg on at least league average efficiency. Only 4 of them are SGs: 25yo Donovan Mitchell, 26yo Zach LaVine, 25yo Devin Booker and James Harden (if you still consider him to be a SG). 21yo SG Tyler Herro in games with Butler would be mere decimal points (0.003) from that exclusive group

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Best defender in the world, go debate a wall.

*yawn* go debate nba.com because bam isn’t even in top 8 in current rankings for DPOY.. I’ll wait for your “but he was injured excuse”..

I mean that’s literally all it is

Don’t tell me you’re really that dense.

[Heat_Down_Under]

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Best defender in the world, go debate a wall.

*yawn* go debate nba.com because bam isn’t even in top 8 in current rankings for DPOY.. I’ll wait for your “but he was injured excuse”..

I mean that’s literally all it is

Don’t tell me you’re really that dense.

Even when he was playing he wasn’t even in the top 5 DPOY rankings at all… and he’s missed games yet we are almost the number 1 seed in the east.. I’ll leave it at that..