PG: Dipo Sighting

[MHeat0279]

Spoiler:

Sabonis is a better offensive player than Bam, but Bam is light years better than Sabonis on defense. Adebayo is a much more capable offensive player than what he is showing in the Atlanta series, though.

At any rate, Miami is not trading Bam unless the player coming back is Jokic, Doncic, Giannis, or Embiid.

I am actually curious if MIami will go after Lillard or Beal in the summer. It would take Lowry, Robinson, and Herro to get either done. Sign Covington. Re-sign Oladipo.

Bam / Dedmon / Yurtseven
Tucker / Covington
Butler / Martin
Oladipo / Strus
Lillard / Vincent

So Bam who is arguably not even a top 15 player would only be traded for top 5-7 players? Especially when Bam is what he is on offense?

I honestly think he's in the same Herro boat other than having already had the benefit of getting paid. He also has the benefit of playing with the first unit and being shielded by not being asked to even contribute consistently offensively. I mean I wouldn't even want to imagine Bam trying to carry an offense, it'd be a nightmare. So he is very far from being untouchable if he continues sucking the way he has.

Miami is defense-first organization and Bam fits that perfectly. With Butler, Miami doesn't need Bam to be a top-15 player. He's a perennial DPOY candidate and is a 20-a-game scorer. How many other bigs fit that category? He is exactly the kind of player Miami looks for not only for his skills, but for the way he plays and the way he can set the tone culturally.

Look at the issues teams have to deal with with guys like Irving, Kawhi, Zion, Harden...etc. Character and personality matter.

Sure, lets see next round and hopefully eastern finals if Bam is not scoring at least 20 per game, you would be singing a different tune. Of course we need Bam to average 20 points per game, maybe not against the horrible Hawks, but against Philly and Bucks we will need all the scoring we can muster, Herro too needs to get his head out of his ass.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

He’s at the very best the 4 best player on that team. Solid role player that I wouldn’t mind having myself, hell we were the ones that found him, but he’s simply just a role player. Hell never be near all star level

I think he was in all-star consideration one season in LA. Anyways he, like Bam, do the little things that go unnoticed. Besides, we were winning with Yurt too so I don't see Bam as irreplaceable, especially for Ingram.

Winning will cure all doubts. No 2nd round choke jobs with weak stats please

you would be nuts not to trade bam for Ingram

Recency bias really kicking some of yalls ass lol

[harlem_ball]

I think he was in all-star consideration one season in LA. Anyways he, like Bam, do the little things that go unnoticed. Besides, we were winning with Yurt too so I don't see Bam as irreplaceable, especially for Ingram.

Winning will cure all doubts. No 2nd round choke jobs with weak stats please

you would be nuts not to trade bam for Ingram

Recency bias really kicking some of yalls ass lol

Bam played harder last night, didn't look as soft as he can at times. A good win.

[MHeat0279]

I think he was in all-star consideration one season in LA. Anyways he, like Bam, do the little things that go unnoticed. Besides, we were winning with Yurt too so I don't see Bam as irreplaceable, especially for Ingram.

Winning will cure all doubts. No 2nd round choke jobs with weak stats please

you would be nuts not to trade bam for Ingram

Recency bias really kicking some of yalls ass lol

Dont tell me you dont admire Ingram's fabulous offense ?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

you would be nuts not to trade bam for Ingram

Recency bias really kicking some of yalls ass lol

Dont tell me you dont admire Ingram's fabulous offense ?

I love Ingrams game, there are more Ingrams in this league than there are Bams. Bams arguably the best defender in the world, Ingrams offense isn’t to that level. Bams offense is better than Ingrams defense, especially when you factor in playmaking and all that.

It’s funny because I was banging on the table at the deadline to trade Herro Robinson and/or picks/ young guys for Ingram when the Pels we’re struggling and was getting killed for it. You may have been one of them but I can’t remember. Now we have people saying we should trade Bam, who’s far more valuable than Herro, for Ingram “easily” like it isn’t even close lol.

That’s where regency bias comes in.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Lowry/Gabe
Strus/Dipo
Jimmy/Martin
Ingram/Tucker
Bam/Dedmon

Slide Tucker in at the 4, Ingram to the 3, Jimmy to the 2, with Strus as the back up 2 if you want PJ in there.

Tell me with a straight face that team isn’t winning the championship this year regardless of who they play.

That ship has sailed unfortunately but another opportunity is going to come. If not this summer then at the deadline at the latest. We’ll see where this team is at at that point

[harlem_ball]

Lowry/Gabe
Strus/Dipo
Jimmy/Martin
Ingram/Tucker
Bam/Dedmon

Slide Tucker in at the 4, Ingram to the 3, Jimmy to the 2, with Strus as the back up 2 if you want PJ in there.

Tell me with a straight face that team isn’t winning the championship this year regardless of who they play.

That ship has sailed unfortunately but another opportunity is going to come. If not this summer then at the deadline at the latest. We’ll see where this team is at at that point

Why would the pelicans trade Ingram for Herro when they have McCollum? In fact they got McCollum without having to move Ingram. Your proposal is DOA

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Lowry/Gabe
Strus/Dipo
Jimmy/Martin
Ingram/Tucker
Bam/Dedmon

Slide Tucker in at the 4, Ingram to the 3, Jimmy to the 2, with Strus as the back up 2 if you want PJ in there.

Tell me with a straight face that team isn’t winning the championship this year regardless of who they play.

That ship has sailed unfortunately but another opportunity is going to come. If not this summer then at the deadline at the latest. We’ll see where this team is at at that point

Why would the pelicans trade Ingram for Herro when they have McCollum? In fact they got McCollum without having to move Ingram. Your proposal is DOA

Brother, this was my proposal from the deadline that was getting **** on. Not now. Before they had CJ and decided to try and make a run and we’re struggling.

[harlem_ball]

Lowry/Gabe
Strus/Dipo
Jimmy/Martin
Ingram/Tucker
Bam/Dedmon

Slide Tucker in at the 4, Ingram to the 3, Jimmy to the 2, with Strus as the back up 2 if you want PJ in there.

Tell me with a straight face that team isn’t winning the championship this year regardless of who they play.

That ship has sailed unfortunately but another opportunity is going to come. If not this summer then at the deadline at the latest. We’ll see where this team is at at that point

Why would the pelicans trade Ingram for Herro when they have McCollum? In fact they got McCollum without having to move Ingram. Your proposal is DOA

Brother, this was my proposal from the deadline that was getting **** on. Not now. Before they had CJ and decided to try and make a run and we’re struggling.

Herro is a popular cat. Youre going to get pushback trading homegrown talent. Herro and Bam are probably untradeable to many in the fanbase. That said, I still doubt Pelis would have gone for Herro and Duncan for Ingram but you never know. Also, Ingram was not playing that well earlier in the season when the Pelis were struggling. McCOllum has opened up their offense with his spacing.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Why would the pelicans trade Ingram for Herro when they have McCollum? In fact they got McCollum without having to move Ingram. Your proposal is DOA

Brother, this was my proposal from the deadline that was getting **** on. Not now. Before they had CJ and decided to try and make a run and we’re struggling.

Herro is a popular cat. Youre going to get pushback trading homegrown talent. Herro and Bam are probably untradeable to many in the fanbase. That said, I still doubt Pelis would have gone for Herro and Duncan for Ingram but you never know. Also, Ingram was not playing that well earlier in the season when the Pelis were struggling. McCOllum has opened up their offense with his spacing.

Yep, him and the pelicans not playing very well made them the perfect trade partner. Them and the Celtics for Jaylen Brown but both those teams turned it around. Especially the Celtics

[KingDavid]

Bam is a LOT better than what he's shown on offense. This system and being selectively aggressive is what keeps his attempts low. If he can spread his range to the 3pt line...good God almighty. I know it's coming, I just don't know when. I hope that's the focus this off-season.

He might not be scoring much against Philly either, be prepared for that. But I am *hoping to be completely wrong about that. He has a lot of potential there since he's usually quicker than his defenders. We'll see.

[harlem_ball]

Bam is a LOT better than what he's shown on offense. This system and being selectively aggressive is what keeps his attempts low. If he can spread his range to the 3pt line...good God almighty. I know it's coming, I just don't know when. I hope that's the focus this off-season.

He might not be scoring much against Philly either, be prepared for that. But I am going to be completely wrong about that. He has a lot of potential there since he's usually quicker than his defenders. We'll see.

If Bam ever became consistent from beyond the 3 point line he would become like a super Chris Bosh. Bosh knew how to select his spots for optimal results.

But Bosh was an infinitely more offensively talented player than Bam.

[twix2500]

Why would the pelicans trade Ingram for Herro when they have McCollum? In fact they got McCollum without having to move Ingram. Your proposal is DOA

Brother, this was my proposal from the deadline that was getting **** on. Not now. Before they had CJ and decided to try and make a run and we’re struggling.

Herro is a popular cat. Youre going to get pushback trading homegrown talent. Herro and Bam are probably untradeable to many in the fanbase. That said, I still doubt Pelis would have gone for Herro and Duncan for Ingram but you never know. Also, Ingram was not playing that well earlier in the season when the Pelis were struggling. McCOllum has opened up their offense with his spacing.

I do not want to hear one of yall parade about someone being home grown talent. Yall screamed for five years about wanting to build home grown talent and not trading for other teams players. As soon as got pure home grown players yall quickly turned on them ie Nunn and Duncan. Spending time on the trade machine in the middle of a playoff run

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[harlem_ball]

Brother, this was my proposal from the deadline that was getting **** on. Not now. Before they had CJ and decided to try and make a run and we’re struggling.

Herro is a popular cat. Youre going to get pushback trading homegrown talent. Herro and Bam are probably untradeable to many in the fanbase. That said, I still doubt Pelis would have gone for Herro and Duncan for Ingram but you never know. Also, Ingram was not playing that well earlier in the season when the Pelis were struggling. McCOllum has opened up their offense with his spacing.

I do not want to hear one of yall parade about someone being home grown talent. Yall screamed for five years about wanting to build home grown talent and not trading for other teams players. As soon as got pure home grown players yall quickly turned on them ie Nunn and Duncan. Spending time on the trade machine in the middle of a playoff run

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Lol. Nice generality.

[MHeat0279]

Recency bias really kicking some of yalls ass lol

Dont tell me you dont admire Ingram's fabulous offense ?

I love Ingrams game, there are more Ingrams in this league than there are Bams. Bams arguably the best defender in the world, Ingrams offense isn’t to that level. Bams offense is better than Ingrams defense, especially when you factor in playmaking and all that.

It’s funny because I was banging on the table at the deadline to trade Herro Robinson and/or picks/ young guys for Ingram when the Pels we’re struggling and was getting killed for it. You may have been one of them but I can’t remember. Now we have people saying we should trade Bam, who’s far more valuable than Herro, for Ingram “easily” like it isn’t even close lol.

That’s where regency bias comes in.

Dont recall that, but i would have done that trade. Bams offense is inconsistent and leaves way much to be desired, Bams defense specially in the perimeter is good, but lets not pretend he is Alonzo Mouring in his prime. So i dont see much difference in your comparisiong to Ingrams, Bams could only dream to have Ingrams offensive skills, and i dont think the guy is a slouch on defense, not really sure i have not see the Pelicans play too much.

[MHeat0279]

Brother, this was my proposal from the deadline that was getting **** on. Not now. Before they had CJ and decided to try and make a run and we’re struggling.

Herro is a popular cat. Youre going to get pushback trading homegrown talent. Herro and Bam are probably untradeable to many in the fanbase. That said, I still doubt Pelis would have gone for Herro and Duncan for Ingram but you never know. Also, Ingram was not playing that well earlier in the season when the Pelis were struggling. McCOllum has opened up their offense with his spacing.

I do not want to hear one of yall parade about someone being home grown talent. Yall screamed for five years about wanting to build home grown talent and not trading for other teams players. As soon as got pure home grown players yall quickly turned on them ie Nunn and Duncan. Spending time on the trade machine in the middle of a playoff run

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we just like controversy

[twix2500]

Herro is a popular cat. Youre going to get pushback trading homegrown talent. Herro and Bam are probably untradeable to many in the fanbase. That said, I still doubt Pelis would have gone for Herro and Duncan for Ingram but you never know. Also, Ingram was not playing that well earlier in the season when the Pelis were struggling. McCOllum has opened up their offense with his spacing.

I do not want to hear one of yall parade about someone being home grown talent. Yall screamed for five years about wanting to build home grown talent and not trading for other teams players. As soon as got pure home grown players yall quickly turned on them ie Nunn and Duncan. Spending time on the trade machine in the middle of a playoff run

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we just like controversy

[Shewasfly]

Brother, this was my proposal from the deadline that was getting **** on. Not now. Before they had CJ and decided to try and make a run and we’re struggling.

Herro is a popular cat. Youre going to get pushback trading homegrown talent. Herro and Bam are probably untradeable to many in the fanbase. That said, I still doubt Pelis would have gone for Herro and Duncan for Ingram but you never know. Also, Ingram was not playing that well earlier in the season when the Pelis were struggling. McCOllum has opened up their offense with his spacing.

I do not want to hear one of yall parade about someone being home grown talent. Yall screamed for five years about wanting to build home grown talent and not trading for other teams players. As soon as got pure home grown players yall quickly turned on them ie Nunn and Duncan. Spending time on the trade machine in the middle of a playoff run

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Duncan Robinson sucks.

[Shewasfly]

Spoiler:

Sabonis is a better offensive player than Bam, but Bam is light years better than Sabonis on defense. Adebayo is a much more capable offensive player than what he is showing in the Atlanta series, though.

At any rate, Miami is not trading Bam unless the player coming back is Jokic, Doncic, Giannis, or Embiid.

I am actually curious if MIami will go after Lillard or Beal in the summer. It would take Lowry, Robinson, and Herro to get either done. Sign Covington. Re-sign Oladipo.

Bam / Dedmon / Yurtseven
Tucker / Covington
Butler / Martin
Oladipo / Strus
Lillard / Vincent

So Bam who is arguably not even a top 15 player would only be traded for top 5-7 players? Especially when Bam is what he is on offense?

I honestly think he's in the same Herro boat other than having already had the benefit of getting paid. He also has the benefit of playing with the first unit and being shielded by not being asked to even contribute consistently offensively. I mean I wouldn't even want to imagine Bam trying to carry an offense, it'd be a nightmare. So he is very far from being untouchable if he continues sucking the way he has.

Miami is defense-first organization and Bam fits that perfectly. With Butler, Miami doesn't need Bam to be a top-15 player. He's a perennial DPOY candidate and is a 20-a-game scorer. How many other bigs fit that category? He is exactly the kind of player Miami looks for not only for his skills, but for the way he plays and the way he can set the tone culturally.

Look at the issues teams have to deal with with guys like Irving, Kawhi, Zion, Harden...etc. Character and personality matter.

Defense or not, personality or not, most teams are not going to jump at the chance to dedicate 20+% of their cap to an offensive liability. Teams that do that become treadmill very fast. Look at the Jazz.

They will take a chance on a defensive liability though, as can be seen by the lauding of players like Trae, Lilliard, Mitchell, etc.

I don't necessarily disagree that Bam is more valuable to us than would be to every other team bc of the nature of our organization. That is the same for a guy like Draymond to the Warriors. But literally no other team would value him in that way because of his other glaring limitations, and I'm sure would be insulted by the suggestion to only trade him for far superior, top 5 players.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Dont tell me you dont admire Ingram's fabulous offense ?

I love Ingrams game, there are more Ingrams in this league than there are Bams. Bams arguably the best defender in the world, Ingrams offense isn’t to that level. Bams offense is better than Ingrams defense, especially when you factor in playmaking and all that.

It’s funny because I was banging on the table at the deadline to trade Herro Robinson and/or picks/ young guys for Ingram when the Pels we’re struggling and was getting killed for it. You may have been one of them but I can’t remember. Now we have people saying we should trade Bam, who’s far more valuable than Herro, for Ingram “easily” like it isn’t even close lol.

That’s where regency bias comes in.

Dont recall that, but i would have done that trade. Bams offense is inconsistent and leaves way much to be desired, Bams defense specially in the perimeter is good, but lets not pretend he is Alonzo Mouring in his prime. So i dont see much difference in your comparisiong to Ingrams, Bams could only dream to have Ingrams offensive skills, and i dont think the guy is a slouch on defense, not really sure i have not see the Pelicans play too much.

Alonzo was more of a Rudy Gobert type defensively, he wasn’t as versatile as Bam. It’s just a matter of team need when it comes to comparing those 2 I guess.

Ingram isn’t much of a defender at all, his defense isn’t the equivalent of what Bam gives you offensively in an efficient 19 with very good playmaking from his position