Miami Heat 22-23 Regular Season Thread 2.0

[3ammy3uck3ts]

It’s not the sexiest trade but we could send Duncan Dedmon Yurt and 2 1sts to the tanking Hornets and try to get PJ Oubre and Plumlee. Sign Westbrook after he’s traded and bought out.

Lowry/Dipo/Gabe
Herro/Strus/Cain
Jimmy/Martin
PJ/Oubre
Bam/Plumlee

I like PJs fit now and long term and that bench is much more reliable than what we’re running out there right now. Now it’s up to Jimmy and Bam to carry this team and everyone else to fall in line and do their jobs where needed.

[AirP.]

I think this team needs to add a legit 4 or 5 that is a good fit next to Bam and then 2 players for the 2nd unit. I honestly believe the bench is the main culprit for us being terrible this season. They come in and give literally nothing. We just watched 2 games in a row against horrible competition where Bam and Herro helped build an 11 point first quarter lead and then the second they checked out we lost all momentum we had built. The bench needs actual nba level talent, not these undrafted 1 dimensional players.

Yeap, there so many moving parts that are wrong with this team. We need a huge reset.

There are some small tweaks that can be done that could help this team greatly. The size issue at PF is one of them which leads to players having to play different roles on this team all in the name of keeping "flexibility" for that one big trade.

One play last night put a bright light on the size issue. Ivey took a shot and missed, Miami's PF (Strus) started getting position for a rebound.

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Miami's 4 (Strus) pushed Stewert underneath the basket which is what he's supposed to do to get position.

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But because of his height and length was able to reach back and over Miami's 4 (Strus) for the rebound and putback for an easy 2 points.

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That's 2 points that just a legit sized PF would have stopped and this has been happening all year long, I don't know how many points Miami has willingly given up by just not having enough size on the roster. Sure a big part of the issue is that Yurtseven was injured, but WHY isn't there another player with size in the pipe vs all the guards and SFs Miami has a surplus of?

As much as I don't like Robinson, I think this team would be better right now with Robinson in the rotation with a decent legit sized 4 to help on the rebounding then one of Strus, Vincent, maybe even Martin with Robinson just sitting on the bench (meaning move one of them for some size that's "decent" would help this team possibly greatly). This is how bad off Miami is with their size issues.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Duncan a 1st and a 2nd for Turner

Dedmon Jovic and a 1st for Bey and Stewart

Lowry/Dipo
Herro/Strus
Jimmy/Martin
Bam/Bey
Turner/Stewart

[al bondiga]

Serious question..... has there been in the history of the NBA, another coach who refuses to play first round picks but obsesses over playing undrafted dudes ? And the worse they are, the more he plays them?

Idk why everyone says spo is a good coach. That fool got lucky to have three of the arguably top 5 players in the NBA at the time playing for him. Infact if it wasn't for Riley that phuckface wouldn't even be a coach on this team. He not a good coach. He might be a good assistant coach to get the lower guys to perform harder, but not a good head coach. Never has been. Dude never makes an adjustment to save his life, no matter how obvious it is. Infact the more obvious it is the more he digs in his bs.

spo is a good coach because he managed big egos...spo is also considered a good coach because of the bubble and the last season managing of smallball...

Perhaps he is not great and can't get out of his own way most times, but you can't argue he's more than okay

[AirP.]

Here's Isaiah Roby, a 24-year-old 6'8'' 230 PF getting 13 minutes a night in San Antonio making less then 2 million this year (FA next year), I have to believe that just having him start at PF would help this team greatly. At this point it's not about getting a rebouding PF, it's about getting one big enough to keep the rebound alive vs the opposition being able to easily get the rebound.

Isaiah Roby was a guy who was waived by OKC to make room for higher ceiling guys and on the last year of his contract.

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I still don't understand why Miami won't make such a small trade to at least try to fix a position of need. I'd much rather see Miami do a small trade like this then spend a 1st or more for a guy like Bagley (although I'm on board with that but it may not be needed).

Here's him having a 30-point game for OKC last year, he had 4 20+ point games while averaging 21 minutes in 48 games.

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[HeatIn5]

Duncan a 1st and a 2nd for Turner

Dedmon Jovic and a 1st for Bey and Stewart

Lowry/Dipo
Herro/Strus
Jimmy/Martin
Bam/Bey
Turner/Stewart

Not giving up our lottery pick

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I was disappointed we didn’t sign Roby off waivers last summer

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Duncan a 1st and a 2nd for Turner

Dedmon Jovic and a 1st for Bey and Stewart

Lowry/Dipo
Herro/Strus
Jimmy/Martin
Bam/Bey
Turner/Stewart

Not giving up our lottery pick

Imagine trading Wemby for Isaiah Stewart, smh

[AirP.]

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[AirP.]

They also have communicated that they are willing to attach Quickley or Reddish to Fournier to make a trade work, league sources said.

The Knicks have discussed with other teams various types of Quickley-related deals. In discussions where the 23-year-old is the standalone piece going out, New York has targeted a future first-round pick, league sources said. The team is overflowing with guys who could justify playing time. Moving on from one of the guards could free up space.

Meanwhile, the market for Reddish is more sparse. The Knicks traded a first-round pick and Kevin Knox for Reddish in January but, as with Fournier, they listened to offers for him leading up to February’s deadline and then again over the summer, league sources said. The chances of New York recouping what it gave up for him would be slim, especially considering he fell out of coach Tom Thibodeau’s rotation recently and can enter restricted free agency this upcoming summer.

There’s another, lesser-discussed deadline upcoming, too: Friday, Dec. 9, marks the last day a team can trade for a player that it is allowed to aggregate with other players in a pre-deadline trade. The NBA trade deadline is Feb. 9.

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[Flash4thewin]

Im not sure if it's just wishful thinking or being beyond optimistic but the the idea that Duncan can be moved for one first round draft pick, that's not reality guys.

For perspective the Pacers want Westbrook and his EXPIRING contract + 2 unprotect first round draft picks for Turner and Hield.

Duncan is not an expiring and has 4 years left.... they would want 3+ unprotected first round draft picks at the very least and it would be closer to 4 if we are being honest.

[Daffy]

We are going no where so fast. It's quite disappointing.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Duncan a 1st and a 2nd for Turner

Dedmon Jovic and a 1st for Bey and Stewart

Lowry/Dipo
Herro/Strus
Jimmy/Martin
Bam/Bey
Turner/Stewart

Not giving up our lottery pick

Any picks that are traded are most likely going to be years out. Think 2027 and 2029. As of now out pick this year is top 14 protected to the Clippers. It's not a very valuable trade piece considering everyone knows we will fight tooth and nail to make the playoffs.

[AirP.]

From a couple of weeks ago...

Utah has so far signaled an intent to keep breakout star forward Lauri Markkanen plus franchise favorite Jordan Clarkson, and have established a high asking price for Jarred Vanderbilt, sources told Yahoo Sports, leaving Malik Beasley and Kelly Olynyk, along with Conley, as the obvious veterans the Jazz could move before the Feb. 9 trade deadline. Olynyk is known to be a favorite of Ainge.

Atlanta approached the Jazz about swapping Collins for Markkanen, sources said, which did not generate any traction.

While Atlanta remains one of the teams in the mix for Phoenix swingman Jae Crowder, league sources said the Suns have shown no desire to shoulder the remaining four seasons of the five-year, $125 million deal Collins signed after the Hawks’ run to the 2021 Eastern Conference finals. That seems to be the consensus among rival executives.

https://sports.yahoo.com/early-success-means-jazz-have-some-options-to-consider-on-trade-market-120705606.html

[MettaWorldPanda]

Im not sure if it's just wishful thinking or being beyond optimistic but the the idea that Duncan can be moved for one first round draft pick, that's not reality guys.

For perspective the Pacers want Westbrook and his EXPIRING contract + 2 unprotect first round draft picks for Turner and Hield.

Duncan is not an expiring and has 4 years left.... they would want 3+ unprotected first round draft picks at the very least and it would be closer to 4 if we are being honest.

I think it all depends on the contract we bring back in a Duncan trade. Let's say it's Bagley who has 3 years left to Duncan's 4. Keep in mind Duncan's final year has an early term clause at 9.8 mil. It's possible the Heat can negotiate with the Pistons let's say Duncan and 1 first for Bagley. I know they would probably ask for two but maybe the Heat can throw in Vincent as a sweetener to offset things and we get back the little used veteran Joseph. I honestly think this is probably the best we can do in any sort of Duncan deal without having to give up multiple first to get off the deal. The deal as it would stand would save us money this year in order to sign another player to the roster and also gives us another 4 million in savings next year and beyond.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Robinson to the Pistons just makes too much sense.

https://www.audacy.com/wqam/sports/miami-heat/beilein-and-robinson

[Flash4thewin]

Im not sure if it's just wishful thinking or being beyond optimistic but the the idea that Duncan can be moved for one first round draft pick, that's not reality guys.

For perspective the Pacers want Westbrook and his EXPIRING contract + 2 unprotect first round draft picks for Turner and Hield.

Duncan is not an expiring and has 4 years left.... they would want 3+ unprotected first round draft picks at the very least and it would be closer to 4 if we are being honest.

I think it all depends on the contract we bring back in a Duncan trade. Let's say it's Bagley who has 3 years left to Duncan's 4. Keep in mind Duncan's final year has an early term clause at 9.8 mil. It's possible the Heat can negotiate with the Pistons let's say Duncan and 1 first for Bagley. I know they would probably ask for two but maybe the Heat can throw in Vincent as a sweetener to offset things and we get back the little used veteran Joseph. I honestly think this is probably the best we can do in any sort of Duncan deal without having to give up multiple first to get off the deal. The deal as it would stand would save us money this year in order to sign another player to the roster and also gives us another 4 million in savings next year and beyond.

But Bagley is an actual NBA player, he is their starter and is productive. Duncan is none of those things unfortunately, he is a negative value so again it's unrealistic that they take that level of downgrade for just one draft pick. We would be looking at 2 first round draft picks for Bagley.

[twix2500]

This team is not an expensive role player away.

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[AirP.]

He mentions teams that have had previous interest in Reddish are the Lakers, Bucks and Heat. Well, he's 6'8'', that's a good thing at this time, as long as it's a cheap move. There are enough very cheap players that would help at PF that there's no need in moving any sizable assets. I get hoarding assets to go after something big, but come on, you have to give this team a legit PF to see where this team really is, this small ball isn't allowing anyone to really judge how close or far away this team is.

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[AirP.]

Wouldn't it be nice if someone on the roster seemed to be upset about all the losing and lack of effort? Shouldn't it be embarrassing at this point for any Miami regular rotation player? There just seems to be a lack of pride on this team and that's a HUGE issue.