Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!!

[dean456]

Yeah nets should do it problem is that they want picks to take on herro??? Wtf

Nets fans are delusional if they think they would even be included in the 3 team deal if they expect assets in return for taking on Herro.

How does that make any sense whatsoever?

If we were going to trade a pick/s for BKN to take on Herro what use do they have? What is the benefit of including them? They send us expiring contracts? We have Lowry's 30mil expiring. So we could just send them Lowry, keep our picks and give them to Portland and keep Herro.

If they are trading expiring role players for Herro its going to cost them a pick. If they are also shedding Simmons' salary in the process it will cost them an additional pick or two.

BKN will be able to make great usage for Tyler on their team, they are built very well to support Herro's deficiencies. Dinwiddie a big 6'5 PG who can defend well and 2 elite defenders in Bridges and Claxton who's a much better rim protector than Bam which is better for Herro. BKN don't see Herro as a negative asset in my opinion even if the fans do.

[Bourne85]

Reality of the situation is all Boston has to do is offer Jaylen and a pick or 2 and we lose. Sadly Tyler Herro doesn’t command a star of Dames caliber. Even worse the Blazers have like 3 guys already better than Herro at his position. Worst part is Dame to Boston means our days of beating them are behind us. Hopefully it’s all lies, and they probably are. Time will tell

[VaDe255]

I would just ignore all those fan fiction trade scenarios.
There is only one team that Dame can be realistically traded to right now and that is Miami.

My guess is Cronin is waiting a bit and posturing to see what deals are out there (if he can get more leverage somehow) and if maybe Dame changes his mind to expand the list.

I think Cronin has handled the whole Dame thing very poorly. Dame was clear about what he wanted and Cronin kept saying things to appease him, but did the exact opposite and now it even looks like he is picking a fight.
This Portland team is in rebuild mode and there is no reason for Dame to be on the roster, they should be happy to trade him now, when his value is still high.
This should have been Cronin coming out with a statement that they are working on a deal to trade Dame, right after they picked Scoot and maybe this whole thing could have been handled more gracefully, without Dame having to demand a trade request to Miami straight up.

Heat can put a fair offer on the table and somebody else would have to offer significantly more for Cronin to even make a case to Dame that he can't go to Miami. I don't see Dame changing his mind after how this went down, his willingness to cooperate with Cronin is probably at a low point right now.

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[Kobewade11]

Reality of the situation is all Boston has to do is offer Jaylen and a pick or 2 and we lose. Sadly Tyler Herro doesn’t command a star of Dames caliber. Even worse the Blazers have like 3 guys already better than Herro at his position. Worst part is Dame to Boston means our days of beating them are behind us. Hopefully it’s all lies, and they probably are. Time will tell

How do you guys come up with stuff?

Why would Boston offer up their 26 year old co-star and a “pick or two”
The Blazers do not have 3 players better than Herro at his position, that is just comedy. If it was true, they’d be able to flip at least 2 of them for a star…hell, maybe for Jaylen. But see point above.
Dame doesn’t want to play in Boston and even IF he did, that still would not make them some juggernaut we cant beat again.

[JWG324]

We’re getting Dame boys

If Portland had even a slight interest from any team, they would’ve immediately told that mouthpiece Woj to create leverage for themselves. 


The fact there has been ZERO reports from any team means no team is even thinking about giving up the assets Portland is looking for to deal with a disgruntled 33 year old due 216 million for the next 3 years.

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[dean456]

Reality of the situation is all Boston has to do is offer Jaylen and a pick or 2 and we lose. Sadly Tyler Herro doesn’t command a star of Dames caliber. Even worse the Blazers have like 3 guys already better than Herro at his position. Worst part is Dame to Boston means our days of beating them are behind us. Hopefully it’s all lies, and they probably are. Time will tell

Boston can go ahead and trade Brown and their picks for Dame, he will show up, play half heartedly, collect his paycheck and request a trade as soon as he's trade eligible again.

Boston would be absolutely stupid to make that trade, knowing he doesn't want to be there.

They already went through this before with Kyrie he got traded to Boston when they weren't on his preferred list and he left as soon as he was able to. Only difference being that Kyrie never said I'm definitely not doing Boston.

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[Grumpy Heat Fan]

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Don't give him up, shot is pure

do you want Dame or not, do you want to get over the hump or not


keep Jovic and lose again

or get Dame and finally get over the hump and win a ring with Jimmy

Allow me to quote myself :

We offer 2 picks off the bat - 2028 and 2030.
Then We add another 1 or 2 picks we get for Herro via a 3rd team.
Then we should unlock the OKC pick, and add another pick in 2024.
Then you have Expiring in Lowry - that's positive value.
Then we can add Martin - another very positive deal they might net them another pick at the trade deadline.

So we're giving up 4 or 5 FRP picks in total + Another tradable player in Martin + Lowry expiring.

That's a SUPER FAIR deal. No reason to add JJJ nd Jovic. Which relevant team offers more?!

Not to mention Lilard only wanting to come to Miami etc.

Don't get squeezed, we have the winning hand in this situation.

Just keep calm and don't panic.

Say Portland wants Jovic.

So you're willing to risk the entire trade and possibly lose out on Dame for Jovic?

That's what you're saying.

I'm not willing to take the risk. You are. You're willing to play some hardball.

I'm not. Just get Dame in a Heat jersey. We figure out the roleplayers later.

[Tony15]

Reality of the situation is all Boston has to do is offer Jaylen and a pick or 2 and we lose. Sadly Tyler Herro doesn’t command a star of Dames caliber. Even worse the Blazers have like 3 guys already better than Herro at his position. Worst part is Dame to Boston means our days of beating them are behind us. Hopefully it’s all lies, and they probably are. Time will tell

How do you guys come up with stuff?

Why would Boston offer up their 26 year old co-star and a “pick or two”
The Blazers do not have 3 players better than Herro at his position, that is just comedy. If it was true, they’d be able to flip at least 2 of them for a star…hell, maybe for Jaylen. But see point above.
Dame doesn’t want to play in Boston and even IF he did, that still would not make them some juggernaut we cant beat again.

The wait/anticipation just has a lot of us feeling anxious atm.....last time this fanbase felt that to this degree was probably 2010 w/ LBJ. Think people just need to chill & let things play out. Miami's still in the drivers seat. Only a matter of when.

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Spurs probably getting in to take Nurkic or Duncan maybe both

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[Grumpy Heat Fan]

We’re getting Dame boys

If Portland had even a slight interest from any team, they would’ve immediately told that mouthpiece Woj to create leverage for themselves. 


The fact there has been ZERO reports from any team means no team is even thinking about giving up the assets Portland is looking for to deal with a disgruntled 33 year old due 216 million for the next 3 years.

Yes, I think the biggest tell is the Herro situation, and the fact that Richardson's jersey number was photoshopped out by the Heat media.

We are probably very close to getting Dame. Would be great to know what the hold up is

[IceColdCubano]

Reality of the situation is all Boston has to do is offer Jaylen and a pick or 2 and we lose. Sadly Tyler Herro doesn’t command a star of Dames caliber. Even worse the Blazers have like 3 guys already better than Herro at his position. Worst part is Dame to Boston means our days of beating them are behind us. Hopefully it’s all lies, and they probably are. Time will tell

How do you guys come up with stuff?

Why would Boston offer up their 26 year old co-star and a “pick or two”
The Blazers do not have 3 players better than Herro at his position, that is just comedy.
Dame doesn’t want to play in Boston and even IF he did, that still would not make them some juggernaut we cant beat again.

In all seriousness I am really tired of this unrealistic comment that they have 3 players better than Herro at his position. The fact is Herro is better in most of the metrics in comparison to these guys, he is still 23 years old and continues to improve season to season. You may not be aware but Herro's defense actually got better this last season. He hasn't shown to top out on any progression whatsoever, yeah we are hard on him, he lacks wingspan and struggles when he gets all level defender in front of him, guess what so does everyone else. He isn't a speedy guard Herro is bigger than your average SG, so he will require screens to get freed when being guarded by tall lengthy wings with good mobility. I am really tired of this notion, guess what those guys in Portland, when its their time to get paid, they will command the same dollars or higher based on the CAP going up. We just saw that 30M is the going rate for that #3-#4 player on a team that tells you when those guys are up for an extension and their making 35M a year I don't want to hear about what a nice contract they have. I am in agreement about using Herro to upgrade our team, because of his salary and he is a position that we can afford to go weak on. We got to stop this notion that he is some sort of wart not worth 30M, it was the going rate at the time. Yeah if it was me, I would have let him hit the market and created a bidding war, and maybe gotten him at 25M or 28M a year, guess what there's also the possibility somebody would have fcked us over and gave him 32M-36M and we would have matched....That's why sometimes these FO don't take the risk of letting their players hit open market.

[daviddpc]

Tonight summer leaque on ESPN 2 at 8:00pm vs the LAL. This will give us all a look at those rookies and give us a hint of what is coming next of our Dralfed and Undralfed.

[Wiltside]

Keep the faith. It will get done.

This time it’s different. It’s just about getting the ducks in a row. Our assets aren’t total trash, despite what the talking heads would want you to believe. What makes a guy like Brogdon more valuable than a 23yr old Tyler Herro?

[greg4012]

Darkhorse for me is Philadelphia, time is ticking on their side, and has to win now. If they can re-route Harden to a 3rd team which is gonna be easy since he is expiring unlike Herro then they may go all-in with Dame. Dame is a pro and won't have any choice but to play.

San Antonio and Brooklyn don't make sense, they are not gonna mortgage their future for a 2-3 window with Dame.

Heat or Philly is my bet.

EDIT: Philly has 2024,2026,2028,2029 1st picks if they want to go all-in.

They cannot trade 24, 26, & 28 due to the “can’t trade picks in consecutive years” rule. They only have one first round pick they can trade, which is either of 29 or 30.

Thanks for that. So it will be centered around if a third team can provide picks for Harden then add the 29 or 30 from Phily. Still can beat our package. Hot damn.

Can’t beat our package***

[dean456]

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This is very interesting.

SAS have roughly 16.6mil in cap room left so they are likely going to eat Nurkic's salary.

So does this just become about saving POR as much salary as possible. They send out Lillard and Nurkic and get Lowry's expiring and O'Neale's from BKN saving them 23mil in salaries, then Miami could send Jovic, Jaquez and our FRPs and maybe one from BKN?

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Keep the faith. It will get done.

This time it’s different. It’s just about getting the ducks in a row. Our assets aren’t total trash, despite what the talking heads would want you to believe. What makes a guy like Brogdon more valuable than a 23yr old Tyler Herro?

agreed

all the signs are pointing to it getting done, i believe pat has this one

just would be nice to know what is the hold up