Miami Heat Offseason Thread Vol. 4: Fraudfather Snoozin 2.0

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[Wiltside]

Seems we aren’t the only ones sick of these twats.

[powerball1373]

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Heat must be thrilled that a once proud local reporter has become a 5 reasons twitter mouth piece lol. He’s definitely been isolated by the organization. That DeRozan piece never made sense from the get go and now sounds like made up deflection lol.

Barry can go sit in the corner with that other dork Trill or whatever. Maggots.

[VaDe255]

I don't know what people were expecting from this offseason. Unless Mitchell became available, there weren't really any targets that made much sense. The team should primarily be looking for a player who fits well with Bam in terms of age and playstyle, but such a player simply isn't available.

They drafted well and added more young talent to the roster with Ware, Larsson, Keshad, and Pullin. Some of these players could develop into good role players.

Regarding Herro, he's only 24 and has three more years on his contract. It's a situation where they can see if he makes a leap in the next two years. If not, he will be an expiring contract that can be easily moved. Meanwhile, he remains a valuable trade chip for a difference-maker. Moving him now for cap space and picks doesn't make much sense.

Ideally, I wanted them to move on from Jimmy before it's too late to get any value for him. However, it looks like they are going to try this unusual approach of competing while also making the team younger.

In summary, this offseason so far went as expected with no significant moves due to the lack of available targets. The focus remains on developing young talent and balancing the current roster's competitiveness with an eye towards the future.

[SA37]

I don't know what people were expecting from this offseason. Unless Mitchell became available, there weren't really any targets that made much sense. The team should primarily be looking for a player who fits well with Bam in terms of age and playstyle, but such a player simply isn't available.

They drafted well and added more young talent to the roster with Ware, Larsson, Keshad, and Pullin. Some of these players could develop into good role players.

Regarding Herro, he's only 24 and has three more years on his contract. It's a situation where they can see if he makes a leap in the next two years. If not, he will be an expiring contract that can be easily moved. Meanwhile, he remains a valuable trade chip for a difference-maker. Moving him now for cap space and picks doesn't make much sense.

Ideally, I wanted them to move on from Jimmy before it's too late to get any value for him. However, it looks like they are going to try this unusual approach of competing while also making the team younger.

In summary, this offseason so far went as expected with no significant moves due to the lack of available targets. The focus remains on developing young talent and balancing the current roster's competitiveness with an eye towards the future.

Miami's lack of draft capital means there is a real case to be made for trading Butler and/or Herro for expirings and draft picks (in Herro's case, Miami already has his replacement in Rozier). Butler pulled the rug out from under Miami by saying he wouldn't sign an extension with anyone, which significantly lowers his trade value. Miami could still end up S&T Butler if they don't want to extend him, but which teams have cap space will play significantly into Miami's leverage.

I don't expect Miami to go this route because it is just not how Riley runs things, but given the strength of the Knicks, 76ers, Bucks, and Celtics' rosters, it is hard to see Miami being able to compete with those teams in the next 3-4 year window.

[VaDe255]

I don't know what people were expecting from this offseason. Unless Mitchell became available, there weren't really any targets that made much sense. The team should primarily be looking for a player who fits well with Bam in terms of age and playstyle, but such a player simply isn't available.

They drafted well and added more young talent to the roster with Ware, Larsson, Keshad, and Pullin. Some of these players could develop into good role players.

Regarding Herro, he's only 24 and has three more years on his contract. It's a situation where they can see if he makes a leap in the next two years. If not, he will be an expiring contract that can be easily moved. Meanwhile, he remains a valuable trade chip for a difference-maker. Moving him now for cap space and picks doesn't make much sense.

Ideally, I wanted them to move on from Jimmy before it's too late to get any value for him. However, it looks like they are going to try this unusual approach of competing while also making the team younger.

In summary, this offseason so far went as expected with no significant moves due to the lack of available targets. The focus remains on developing young talent and balancing the current roster's competitiveness with an eye towards the future.

Miami's lack of draft capital means there is a real case to be made for trading Butler and/or Herro for expirings and draft picks (in Herro's case, Miami already has his replacement in Rozier). Butler pulled the rug out from under Miami by saying he wouldn't sign an extension with anyone, which significantly lowers his trade value. Miami could still end up S&T Butler if they don't want to extend him, but which teams have cap space will play significantly into Miami's leverage.

I don't expect Miami to go this route because it is just not how Riley runs things, but given the strength of the Knicks, 76ers, Bucks, and Celtics' rosters, it is hard to see Miami being able to compete with those teams in the next 3-4 year window.

We need to be realistic: they aren't competing for a title and there isn't a trade out there that can change that.

The focus should be on developing young talent, conserving assets, and seeking out value deals. The best approach with Tyler is to let him raise his value. If he isn't part of the future plans, selling high makes the most sense, but Tyler's value isn't very high right now, there’s no real rush to offload his salary.

I expect both Terry and Tyler to have better seasons if they stay healthy, but this doesn't change the fact that the team is likely to finish somewhere in the 4-10 range in the East.

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Groupie sauces from Trille says we are trying to sign Marcus Morris.

To fill what role?

[MartyConlonJr]

I'm too lazy to fill out all the exact machinations of this trade, but the broad strokes are Jimmy to OKC, Herro to Charlotte, we get both our 1st round picks back, the one from OKC, the one from Charlotte. Charlotte gets some picks from OKC's war chest for the pleasure of taking on Herro's contract. Maybe we give out a sign and trade of Caleb Martin to Charlotte for a feel good twins story.

Jimmy goes to a contender in OKC and they don't mind that he will age out, he builds work ethic in SGA and Williams etc and he declines as the young guys get the big dollars. OKC gives up something like 3 picks, giving back ours, and 2 others, but they have more picks than they have roster spots.

Charlotte just gets picks for taking on contracts, standard stuff. They give back ours, but get two from OKC so the standard Herro + a 1st rounder is met.

We just clear our cap for Bam era and get back all our first rounders.

[Wiltside]

I'm too lazy to fill out all the exact machinations of this trade, but the broad strokes are Jimmy to OKC, Herro to Charlotte, we get both our 1st round picks back, the one from OKC, the one from Charlotte. Charlotte gets some picks from OKC's war chest for the pleasure of taking on Herro's contract. Maybe we give out a sign and trade of Caleb Martin to Charlotte for a feel good twins story.

Jimmy goes to a contender in OKC and they don't mind that he will age out, he builds work ethic in SGA and Williams etc and he declines as the young guys get the big dollars. OKC gives up something like 3 picks, giving back ours, and 2 others, but they have more picks than they have roster spots.

Charlotte just gets picks for taking on contracts, standard stuff. They give back ours, but get two from OKC so the standard Herro + a 1st rounder is met.

We just clear our cap for Bam era and get back all our first rounders.

I’d want something tangible back from OKC outside of picks. I agree that they’d be a good destination for us as a trade partner, and Jimmy as a true contender.

Could we get Ousmane Dieng and Lu Dort out of it too? Jimmy is worth more than just a few picks. Mikal Bridges just went for 6. I know Jimmy is older, but he’s waaaay more playoff proven.

[SA37]

Spoiler:

I don't know what people were expecting from this offseason. Unless Mitchell became available, there weren't really any targets that made much sense. The team should primarily be looking for a player who fits well with Bam in terms of age and playstyle, but such a player simply isn't available.

They drafted well and added more young talent to the roster with Ware, Larsson, Keshad, and Pullin. Some of these players could develop into good role players.

Regarding Herro, he's only 24 and has three more years on his contract. It's a situation where they can see if he makes a leap in the next two years. If not, he will be an expiring contract that can be easily moved. Meanwhile, he remains a valuable trade chip for a difference-maker. Moving him now for cap space and picks doesn't make much sense.

Ideally, I wanted them to move on from Jimmy before it's too late to get any value for him. However, it looks like they are going to try this unusual approach of competing while also making the team younger.

In summary, this offseason so far went as expected with no significant moves due to the lack of available targets. The focus remains on developing young talent and balancing the current roster's competitiveness with an eye towards the future.

Miami's lack of draft capital means there is a real case to be made for trading Butler and/or Herro for expirings and draft picks (in Herro's case, Miami already has his replacement in Rozier). Butler pulled the rug out from under Miami by saying he wouldn't sign an extension with anyone, which significantly lowers his trade value. Miami could still end up S&T Butler if they don't want to extend him, but which teams have cap space will play significantly into Miami's leverage.

I don't expect Miami to go this route because it is just not how Riley runs things, but given the strength of the Knicks, 76ers, Bucks, and Celtics' rosters, it is hard to see Miami being able to compete with those teams in the next 3-4 year window.

We need to be realistic: they aren't competing for a title and there isn't a trade out there that can change that.

The focus should be on developing young talent, conserving assets, and seeking out value deals. The best approach with Tyler is to let him raise his value. If he isn't part of the future plans, selling high makes the most sense, but Tyler's value isn't very high right now, there’s no real rush to offload his salary.

I expect both Terry and Tyler to have better seasons if they stay healthy, but this doesn't change the fact that the team is likely to finish somewhere in the 4-10 range in the East.

I don't disagree with the general sentiment here, but it's just not Riley's MO, which makes the bolded an unlikely approach. Miami's recent deep playoff runs likely has only reaffirmed Riley's win/compete-at-all-costs approach. Riley is just not a build-through-the-draft guy, and in fairness to him, we've seen many many franchises fail at this for a decade or longer.

As for Herro, if he were to improve the need/desire to trade him goes away. I would prefer to move on from Herro while his potential improvement can still potentially entice a team or two.

I think Miami could field a competitive team even if it traded away Butler and Herro for nothing but picks (not saying this is what should be done, but just taking it to its extreme). Just to build off of MartyConlonJr's idea + Wiltside's desire for a tangible player aside from picks, let's say Miami dealt Butler to OKC for Dort, it's pick back, and maybe a 1st rounder and then dealt Herro to Charlotte for Grant Williams and Davis Bertans. Miami remains competitive while clearing tons of cap space, although I'd probably use the opportunity to re-sign Martin at roughly 3-years, $36M, which is pretty in line with what guys like him have been getting this summer, but below what guys like Klay Thompson or KCP got:

Bam - Love - Ware
Jovic - Williams - Bertans
JJJ - Martin
Dort - Robinson
Rozier - Richardson

Miami would go into next summer's FA period with a team option on Rozier for $26M, Bertans' $16M expiring, and Robinson only guaranteed ~$10M if he is waived "on or before two days after the end of 2025/26 moratorium period" according to Hoopshype. Outside of that, Miami would have roughly $94M in guaranteed commitments to the rest, giving Miami a potential ~$50-$60M in cap space next summer. Picking up both Robinson and Rozier would have Miami committing ~$139M, leaving them with $6-$16M in cap space.

[Johnny Fontane]

At that point, fans will stop watching completely. No more Spo pet projects should be the top priority next season once the run it back is complete

If no move is made, I’m not watching. Why waste my time for an organization who clearly doesn’t care or know what they’re doing? If a restaurant keeps serving DECENT food, which they could improve, why return and pay?

Because human curiosity will leave you wondering how bad this train wreck is going to get.

Seriously. If we trade any more picks or extend butler long term, that perhaps puts us in the lowest cellar in the league. We’ll be drafting high, but for another team which is the ultimate hellhole to be stuck in

[3ammy3uck3ts]

5 years from now we’re going to talk about how we just know Herro is going to break out at the age of 30

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Heat must be thrilled that a once proud local reporter has become a 5 reasons twitter mouth piece lol. He’s definitely been isolated by the organization. That DeRozan piece never made sense from the get go and now sounds like made up deflection lol.

Come on now lol you know better

[twix2500]

Summer League roster

Gaurds
Alondes Williams
Zyon Pullin
Pelle Larsson
Isaiah Stevens
Bryson Warren

Forwards
Cole Swider
Keshad Johnson

Center
Kel'El Wsre
Warren Washington

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Summer League roster

Gaurds
Alondes Williams
Zyon Pullin
Pelle Larsson
Isaiah Stevens
Bryson Warren

Forwards
Cole Swider
Keshad Johnson

Center
Kel'El Wsre
Warren Washington

Whens the 1st game?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Cross them out for Derozan I’m assuming

[DayofMourning]

I'm too lazy to fill out all the exact machinations of this trade, but the broad strokes are Jimmy to OKC, Herro to Charlotte, we get both our 1st round picks back, the one from OKC, the one from Charlotte. Charlotte gets some picks from OKC's war chest for the pleasure of taking on Herro's contract. Maybe we give out a sign and trade of Caleb Martin to Charlotte for a feel good twins story.

Jimmy goes to a contender in OKC and they don't mind that he will age out, he builds work ethic in SGA and Williams etc and he declines as the young guys get the big dollars. OKC gives up something like 3 picks, giving back ours, and 2 others, but they have more picks than they have roster spots.

Charlotte just gets picks for taking on contracts, standard stuff. They give back ours, but get two from OKC so the standard Herro + a 1st rounder is met.

We just clear our cap for Bam era and get back all our first rounders.

I’d want something tangible back from OKC outside of picks. I agree that they’d be a good destination for us as a trade partner, and Jimmy as a true contender.

Could we get Ousmane Dieng and Lu Dort out of it too? Jimmy is worth more than just a few picks. Mikal Bridges just went for 6. I know Jimmy is older, but he’s waaaay more playoff proven.

2 pieces I love on OKC are Cason and Jalen.

[Beenie]

Lonzo Ball’s expiring (20m) and white’s valued contract (2 years 12m per)

For Herro and J rich

[Johnny Fontane]

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Cross them out for Derozan I’m assuming

52 million per year for 40 year old Lebron is considered taking less?