2025 Offseason Thread Vol.4

[dshearn]

It sure seemed like Duncan’s superpower was screaming around the DHO at warp 10…. It also seemed like he created less space and gravity year after year.

Good on him if he changes teams…. He might have a really solid second chapter in his career under different circumstances… i don’t think many Heat fans expect much to change for the positive for him here… at best maybe more of the same…

[MartyConlonJr]

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They got picks too, right?


September 27, 2023: As part of a 3-team trade, traded by the Portland Trail Blazers to the Milwaukee Bucks; the Milwaukee Bucks traded Grayson Allen to the Phoenix Suns; the Milwaukee Bucks traded Jrue Holiday, a 2028 1st round draft pick, a 2029 1st round draft pick and a 2030 1st round draft pick to the Portland Trail Blazers; the Phoenix Suns traded Deandre Ayton and Toumani Camara to the Portland Trail Blazers; and the Portland Trail Blazers traded Keon Johnson, Nassir Little and Jusuf Nurkic to the Phoenix Suns. 2029 1st-rd pick is MIL own 2028 1st-rd pick is a swap 2030 1st-rd pick is a swap

Also, Holiday yielded a pick: 2029 BOS, The 2024 pick was a swap that has added Bob Carrington who was sent to Washington.

October 1, 2023: Traded by the Portland Trail Blazers to the Boston Celtics for Malcolm Brogdon, Robert Williams, a 2024 1st round draft pick (Bub Carrington was later selected) and a 2029 1st round draft pick. 2024 conditional 1st-rd pick is GSW own 2029 1st-rd pick is BOS own, Portland also receives a trade exception

And Brogdon's trade to Washington?


July 6, 2024: Traded by the Portland Trail Blazers with Malcolm Brogdon, a 2028 2nd round draft pick, a 2029 1st round draft pick and a 2030 2nd round draft pick to the Washington Wizards for Deni Avdija. Portland also received a trade exception 2028 2nd-rd pick is GSW own 2029 1st-rd pick is POR own 2030 2nd-rd pick is POR own. So, it cost a FRP to dump him.

Yeah it is extremely disingenuous to ignore the picks, as much as I hated Cronin, he got the best deal, because the Bucks are about to implode and they have like 3 years of their picks outright or as swaps. With Lillard out and Giannis an injury candidate at this age, it's a good gamble.

[RexBoyWonder]

Don't hate me -

But my bet is Duncan is coming back on a 3 year deal.
It's by far the most logical outcome considering the money he gave up and his market value.

It is what it is. Not that many great free agent anyway I guess.

[contract]

Don't hate me -

But my bet is Duncan is coming back on a 3 year deal.
It's by far the most logical outcome considering the money he gave up and his market value.

It is what it is. Not that many great free agent anyway I guess.

You are looking at it from his perspective, or your understanding of it. But now look at it from the Heat's perspective. There is no logical reason for the Heat to re-sign him. Heading into his ETO we had either all of his salary off the books, or half his salary off the books. So only a one year $10 million commitment going forward. Why would we add to that? What could we pay him that would make sense for him and make sense for us?

If Duncan and the Heat agreed to a $27 million / 3 year contract, we're not really saving much this season and it just mucks up our cap for the next two seasons for ... the 9th man on the roster?

If Duncan and the Heat agreed to a $24 million / 3 year contract, that means that Duncan does think he can secure even $8 million per the two seasons after this one one the open market ($9 mil guaranteed this season + $8 mil + $8 mil = $25 million), and if that's the case then why the heck would we pay him that much?

Duncan is a guy that we'd like to get out of our rotation, so why pay him like he's not?

I will be pissed if we re-sign Duncan for more than Haywood Highsmith money. They have similar value to this team.

[wade44]

I hope I’m wrong but knowing how the Heat operate, they did not want to incur the 9.5 million dead cap hit. So it will be a 3 year deal at about that much.

[contract]

I hope I’m wrong but knowing how the Heat operate, they did not want to incur the 9.5 million dead cap hit. So it will be a 3 year deal at about that much.

That would be insane. That would be malpractice. That would be incompetence.

[contract]

Simple question for every Heat fan: Is Duncan Robinson more valuable to the Heat than Haywood Highsmith?

[wade44]

I hope I’m wrong but knowing how the Heat operate, they did not want to incur the 9.5 million dead cap hit. So it will be a 3 year deal at about that much.

That would be insane. That would be malpractice. That would be incompetence.

The only other choice is that he actually is forgoing the 9.88 million he would have been owed, thinking he can get a longer term deal on the open market elsewhere. Let’s hope that’s the case anyway

[Voltron914]

Why did i have a dream that i woke up to refresh this thread and it went from page 8 to 30 with news that we traded for Zion and that Andy had all types of fitness and bodyfat stipulations in it?!?!

[contract]

Why did i have a dream that i woke up to refresh this thread and it went from page 8 to 30 with news that we traded for Zion and that Andy had all types of fitness and bodyfat stipulations in it?!?!

Because anything is possible in dreams.

[DayofMourning]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45611631/sources-rockets-jabari-smith-jr-sign-122m-extension

Is this Kumingas market price now?

[DayofMourning]

I hope I’m wrong but knowing how the Heat operate, they did not want to incur the 9.5 million dead cap hit. So it will be a 3 year deal at about that much.

That would be insane. That would be malpractice. That would be incompetence.

The only other choice is that he actually is forgoing the 9.88 million he would have been owed, thinking he can get a longer term deal on the open market elsewhere. Let’s hope that’s the case anyway

Im sure he had money lined up prior to his decision. I hope he has like a 3 years, $20 mil lined up somewhere else.

[VaDe255]

I hope I’m wrong but knowing how the Heat operate, they did not want to incur the 9.5 million dead cap hit. So it will be a 3 year deal at about that much.

That would be insane. That would be malpractice. That would be incompetence.

They don't really have much playmaking or shooting from the bench. I don't think you can just rely on a 19y old rookie to bring that.

I am not the biggest Duncan supporter, but they do need someone who can space the floor and make the game easier even when KJ25 is playing, hope they get someone else but it does make some sense.

[Flash4thewin]

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They got picks too, right?


September 27, 2023: As part of a 3-team trade, traded by the Portland Trail Blazers to the Milwaukee Bucks; the Milwaukee Bucks traded Grayson Allen to the Phoenix Suns; the Milwaukee Bucks traded Jrue Holiday, a 2028 1st round draft pick, a 2029 1st round draft pick and a 2030 1st round draft pick to the Portland Trail Blazers; the Phoenix Suns traded Deandre Ayton and Toumani Camara to the Portland Trail Blazers; and the Portland Trail Blazers traded Keon Johnson, Nassir Little and Jusuf Nurkic to the Phoenix Suns. 2029 1st-rd pick is MIL own 2028 1st-rd pick is a swap 2030 1st-rd pick is a swap

Also, Holiday yielded a pick: 2029 BOS, The 2024 pick was a swap that has added Bob Carrington who was sent to Washington.

October 1, 2023: Traded by the Portland Trail Blazers to the Boston Celtics for Malcolm Brogdon, Robert Williams, a 2024 1st round draft pick (Bub Carrington was later selected) and a 2029 1st round draft pick. 2024 conditional 1st-rd pick is GSW own 2029 1st-rd pick is BOS own, Portland also receives a trade exception

And Brogdon's trade to Washington?


July 6, 2024: Traded by the Portland Trail Blazers with Malcolm Brogdon, a 2028 2nd round draft pick, a 2029 1st round draft pick and a 2030 2nd round draft pick to the Washington Wizards for Deni Avdija. Portland also received a trade exception 2028 2nd-rd pick is GSW own 2029 1st-rd pick is POR own 2030 2nd-rd pick is POR own. So, it cost a FRP to dump him.

Yeah it is extremely disingenuous to ignore the picks, as much as I hated Cronin, he got the best deal, because the Bucks are about to implode and they have like 3 years of their picks outright or as swaps. With Lillard out and Giannis an injury candidate at this age, it's a good gamble.

Not only the picks but the satisfaction of destroying us. Dame two years ago on this team means we have a good shot at another ring. Instead we’ll just look at us now. That is priceless to Cronin and the owner.

[MartyConlonJr]

I couldn't help myself but to better understand the current state of the Lillard trade from Portlands perspective:

Got:
C - Robert Williams
PF - Toumani Camara
SF - Deni Avdija
Milwaukee 2028 1st round draft pick (swap)
Milwaukee 2029 1st round draft pick
Milwaukee 2030 1st round draft pick (swap)
Worse of Portland and Boston's 2029 1st round draft pick

Gave:
Damian Lillard
Jusif Nurkic
Better of Portland and Bostons 2029 1st round draft pick
Portland 2030 2nd round draft pick
GSW 2028 2nd round draft pick

That tweet did forget Deni (who came on strong after New Years averaging like 20/8/5) and Camara (2nd team all defense somehow).

Don't think Giannis sees himself there but if Portland could offer back both swaps and their pick for him they could have a good crack.

They could have offered Ayton, Jeremi Grant, Anfernee Simons and Grant Williams (119 million) with 2 or 3 of those picks for Giannis and Damian Lillard (115 million), if they hadn't done stupid things like Jrue and buyout of Ayton.

C - Donovan Clingan / Yang Hansen
PF - Giannis Antetokounmpo / Kris Murray
SF - Deni Avdija
SG - Shaedon Sharpe
PG - Scoot Henderson / Damian Lillard

They could have had a competitive team and also give Lillard the retribution feels the next season (if I'm Bucks I consider the get out of jail free card if Giannis is truly not happy).

[MartyConlonJr]

I just assume Heat and Duncan had an agreement like:

"We need to cut you, and we are prepared to eat that guaranteed portion, but that is not the best for us, or for you. There are very few teams with cap space and a lot of teams in the luxury tax so you'll be looking at limited spots for full MLE (12.8) and apron MLE (5.2 mill). If you get none of that, and all that is left is the vet min (3 mill for players with 7 years like Duncan), then we will pay you 19 mill / 3 years (10 buyout + 3 mill x 3 years) as your worst case. Look around, get your best offer, we wont ask for anything in a sign and trade, and if it doesnt work out, you can get 6.3 mill per for the next 3 here".

At least I hope it is something smaller like that, or ideally a contract that dips next year to help with more cap space.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Duncan rumblings to Detroit isn’t shocking, if there’s a place he’d leave us to go it’d be the Pistons imo even without the gambling stuff going on. We’ll take Beasley to add to our gambling portion of the roster, dudes got a clip

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Like contract said above. Giving Duncan a 3 year deal is malpractice. You all want him to continue backing up Herro or playing alongside him forcing the worst defensive SG/SF duo in the NBA? Or is it for the feels of sitting on the bench or continuing to eat into JJJ or Larrson’s minutes? Give him a S&T to Detroit and we’ll take back a 2nd and trade exception. Similar to Strus signing with Cavs

[MettaWorldPanda]

Duncan to Detroit is a perfect fit there. His old college coach is there in the front office