2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Haha Bucks fans think Shams is lying, reminds me of Heat fans thinking he was making stuff up about Jimmy. Sad times for all involved

[MettaWorldPanda]

I'm okay if the Suns would take Wiggins/Terry/Jaquez + 20th pick.
This gets rid of all their bad contracts and keeps their flexibility for the future.
It also means Heat can waive Duncan to make some space and resign Davion.

I don't see the Suns taking this deal though, but this is the only thing I'd offer for KD, take it or leave it.

I think it’s very important to try and keep Duncan out of the deal. Let the Suns facilitate a salary dump with another team. We need Duncan’s cap money to free up 19 million to build the team after we give up 4 players for Durant. 9 million will not be enough. You can certainly out a fork at any chance of Mitchell since his RFA qualifying is 8.7 mil. Keep in mind Suns can get into the first apron by releasing Martin and Micic allowing them to aggregate players in trade.

Yes you're right, they need to keep Duncan out of any deals.

However, the luxury tax is at $187,897,000 and with KD <-> Wiggins/Terry/Jaquez and waiving Duncan they'd be around $164m, with 8 players under contract, 24m should be enough room to resign Davion and 5 other guys to smaller contracts (e.g. Dru/Burks could be back).

I really don't believe the Suns would entertain the offer, but this would be an acceptable move for me, it gives them a solid roster with a good starting 5 of Ware/Bam/KD/Herro/Davion and HH/Jovic/Kyle off the bench + some min vet. signings (Dru?/Burks?)

Check this out. Once the Suns release Martin and Micic they get into the first apron. This opens the door for a Rozier, JJJ, Jovic, and Wiggins for Durant and O’Neale deal cause they can aggregate. Yes i think in the end both JJJ and Jovic will be headed out. That’s who they requested during the deadline. From there it will be some haggling with the picks. Maybe it only cost is the 20th pick this year and maybe a future swap. We maintain our later year picks and preserve the money to sign a veteran this year by not having to pay the rookie who will barely play.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If Suns can pull it off they should ship Beal back to the Wiz with some of the chit first they got from the Jazz for Smart and Middleton. Have the Wiz owner get Beal to waive his NTC for his second home coming. Promise to retire his jersey

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I think it’s very important to try and keep Duncan out of the deal. Let the Suns facilitate a salary dump with another team. We need Duncan’s cap money to free up 19 million to build the team after we give up 4 players for Durant. 9 million will not be enough. You can certainly out a fork at any chance of Mitchell since his RFA qualifying is 8.7 mil. Keep in mind Suns can get into the first apron by releasing Martin and Micic allowing them to aggregate players in trade.

Yes you're right, they need to keep Duncan out of any deals.

However, the luxury tax is at $187,897,000 and with KD <-> Wiggins/Terry/Jaquez and waiving Duncan they'd be around $164m, with 8 players under contract, 24m should be enough room to resign Davion and 5 other guys to smaller contracts (e.g. Dru/Burks could be back).

I really don't believe the Suns would entertain the offer, but this would be an acceptable move for me, it gives them a solid roster with a good starting 5 of Ware/Bam/KD/Herro/Davion and HH/Jovic/Kyle off the bench + some min vet. signings (Dru?/Burks?)

Check this out. Once the Suns release Martin and Micic they get into the first apron. This opens the door for a Rozier, JJJ, Jovic, and Wiggins for Durant and O’Neale deal cause they can aggregate. Yes i think in the end both JJJ and Jovic will be headed out. That’s who they requested during the deadline. From there it will be some haggling with the picks. Maybe it only cost is the 20th pick this year and maybe a future swap. We maintain our later year picks and preserve the money to sign a veteran this year by not having to pay the rookie who will barely play.

I’ve wanted Royce for awhile, would be a solid vet piece.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Yes you're right, they need to keep Duncan out of any deals.

However, the luxury tax is at $187,897,000 and with KD <-> Wiggins/Terry/Jaquez and waiving Duncan they'd be around $164m, with 8 players under contract, 24m should be enough room to resign Davion and 5 other guys to smaller contracts (e.g. Dru/Burks could be back).

I really don't believe the Suns would entertain the offer, but this would be an acceptable move for me, it gives them a solid roster with a good starting 5 of Ware/Bam/KD/Herro/Davion and HH/Jovic/Kyle off the bench + some min vet. signings (Dru?/Burks?)

Check this out. Once the Suns release Martin and Micic they get into the first apron. This opens the door for a Rozier, JJJ, Jovic, and Wiggins for Durant and O’Neale deal cause they can aggregate. Yes i think in the end both JJJ and Jovic will be headed out. That’s who they requested during the deadline. From there it will be some haggling with the picks. Maybe it only cost is the 20th pick this year and maybe a future swap. We maintain our later year picks and preserve the money to sign a veteran this year by not having to pay the rookie who will barely play.

I’ve wanted Royce for awhile, would be a solid vet piece.

He’s got a few years left on his deal at 10 per but gets his contract off Suns books to make up for not getting Duncan. Makes sense for both sides. We can take O’Neale’s small number with no problem with Anderson coming off the books the following year.

[Shewasfly]

Good news that the Rockets may want to go after Giannis and not be interested in KD. That's a smart move by them, and would make them a legit contender if they don't have to touch any of their main pieces.

The way I see it, Riley and the FO are set up perfectly to get at least one of the 3, KD, Zion, or Ja. Giannis isn't an option, and most teams will chase him. But we don't have a chance, so focusing on those other 3 while the rest of the league is trying to snag Giannis should be the strategy.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[HeatFanLifer]

If I am Pat Riley, I don’t do anything at this point other than try to shed some long term contracts. Rozier and Wiggins for expiring contracts next year? Done. If nothing is available, then just ride it out and wait for a team desperate enough to make a move. No sense trying to make this team better, just digging the franchise grave deeper with more patchwork moves.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Trade Jimmy to Philly last summer and we’re in the giannis sweepstakes

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[Kobewade11]

More "forward thinking" and "strategic" then "stubborn"

They have a young core, why should they go after KD? it makes no sense. Just like it make even less sense for us, being a weaker team with less assets.

And Booker looked overated this year and makes a ton going forward, I see no problem with their logic. they should be picky with their star target. Wish we would be too.

Green is ass man. If you can move him for Booker or any other star you do it and dont think twice.

[wade44]

Bam is valuable on the trade market. If we’re talking Pat taking one last swing before he fades off this is it. Bam for Giannis. Then trade the young guys for another all star caliber player. Fill the rest of the roster with minimum guys like in 2010.

Giannis
Herro
All star

That’s the fantasy path to contention. KD does not make us contenders

[Kobewade11]

Bam is valuable on the trade market. If we’re talking Pat taking one last swing before he fades off this is it. Bam for Giannis. Then trade the young guys for another all star caliber player. Fill the rest of the roster with minimum guys like in 2010.

Giannis
Herro
All star

That’s the fantasy path to contention. KD does not make us contenders

Bucks would almost certainly want a win now franchise player or multiple young assets in return for Giannis, as either trade chips or building blocks for the future.

[Lennyzinho]

Trade Jimmy to Philly last summer and we’re in the giannis sweepstakes

Look what Minnesota gave up for Gobert.
Malik Beasley, four FRPs, a swap, Kessler who had just been drafted, Pat Bev.

Knicks gave up to get Mikal Bridges
Bodganavic, five FRPs, a swap, and a SRP.

If we had our pick this year and could offer four FRPs, Ware, Herro, Rozier. Personally think thats more value than the two trades above.

But I think Giannis is gonna go for a truly historic haul. Deservedly so. Hes in a completely different tier than either gobert or mikal. And MIL is gonna take bids from all teams, cuz they aren't colluding with the league and Vegas and run by Nico Harrison.

The package SAS HOU OKC ends up sending for giannis is gonna be like 5-6 FRPs and some serious young talent (yes, more than herro + ware) and ok vets.

I still think Giannis is in OKC next year unless Sam presti big brains it and says nah. I also think its ridiculous that the oddsmakers have us behind Lakers Suns Warriors and maybe even Nets. Makes no sense. But whatever.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Trade Jimmy to Philly last summer and we’re in the giannis sweepstakes

Look what Minnesota gave up for Gobert.
Malik Beasley, four FRPs, a swap, Kessler who had just been drafted, Pat Bev.

Knicks gave up to get Mikal Bridges
Bodganavic, five FRPs, a swap, and a SRP.

If we had our pick this year and could offer four FRPs, Ware, Herro, Rozier. Personally think thats more value than the two trades above.

But I think Giannis is gonna go for a truly historic haul. Deservedly so. Hes in a completely different tier than either gobert or mikal. And MIL is gonna take bids from all teams, cuz they aren't colluding with the league and Vegas and run by Nico Harrison.

The package SAS HOU OKC ends up sending for giannis is gonna be like 5-6 FRPs and some serious young talent (yes, more than herro + ware) and ok vets.

I still think Giannis is in OKC next year unless Sam presti big brains it and says nah. I also think its ridiculous that the oddsmakers have us behind Lakers Suns Warriors and maybe even Nets. Makes no sense. But whatever.

I’m really curious to see what the final deal is and I’m curious to see what team he wants to join, because he’s going wherever he wants. OKC would be insane

[Vertical Limit]

Trade Jimmy to Philly last summer and we’re in the giannis sweepstakes

Look what Minnesota gave up for Gobert.
Malik Beasley, four FRPs, a swap, Kessler who had just been drafted, Pat Bev.

Knicks gave up to get Mikal Bridges
Bodganavic, five FRPs, a swap, and a SRP.

If we had our pick this year and could offer four FRPs, Ware, Herro, Rozier. Personally think thats more value than the two trades above.

But I think Giannis is gonna go for a truly historic haul. Deservedly so. Hes in a completely different tier than either gobert or mikal. And MIL is gonna take bids from all teams, cuz they aren't colluding with the league and Vegas and run by Nico Harrison.

The package SAS HOU OKC ends up sending for giannis is gonna be like 5-6 FRPs and some serious young talent (yes, more than herro + ware) and ok vets.

I still think Giannis is in OKC next year unless Sam presti big brains it and says nah. I also think its ridiculous that the oddsmakers have us behind Lakers Suns Warriors and maybe even Nets. Makes no sense. But whatever.

There is very few teams that can offer a historic haul while also putting the salaries to match… we are not one of them..

if i had to guess who would be the front runners… Im going to say Golden State is more than willing to give up all their draft picks up to 2031.. which is six of them. And theyll be willing to part ways with Draymond green and any other salaries not named Butler or Steph to get it done and get steph thst title shot at the end of his career.


I also think a dark horse here is Detroit. .. they will try to sell Giannis on a pairing of him and Cade Cunningham.. they got six firsts to trade.. they got a 26 million expiring in tobias harris and other player salaries that Milwaukee would prefer over the players that golden state has to offer

[greg4012]

Trade Jimmy to Philly last summer and we’re in the giannis sweepstakes

Look what Minnesota gave up for Gobert.
Malik Beasley, four FRPs, a swap, Kessler who had just been drafted, Pat Bev.

Knicks gave up to get Mikal Bridges
Bodganavic, five FRPs, a swap, and a SRP.

If we had our pick this year and could offer four FRPs, Ware, Herro, Rozier. Personally think thats more value than the two trades above.

But I think Giannis is gonna go for a truly historic haul. Deservedly so. Hes in a completely different tier than either gobert or mikal. And MIL is gonna take bids from all teams, cuz they aren't colluding with the league and Vegas and run by Nico Harrison.

The package SAS HOU OKC ends up sending for giannis is gonna be like 5-6 FRPs and some serious young talent (yes, more than herro + ware) and ok vets.

I still think Giannis is in OKC next year unless Sam presti big brains it and says nah. I also think its ridiculous that the oddsmakers have us behind Lakers Suns Warriors and maybe even Nets. Makes no sense. But whatever.

There is very few teams that can offer a historic haul while also putting the salaries to match… we are not one of them..

if i had to guess who would be the front runners… Im going to say Golden State is more than willing to give up all their draft picks up to 2031.. which is six of them. And theyll be willing to part ways with Draymond green and any other salaries not named Butler or Steph to get it done and get steph thst title shot at the end of his career.


I also think a dark horse here is Detroit. .. they will try to sell Giannis on a pairing of him and Cade Cunningham.. they got six firsts to trade.. they got a 26 million expiring in tobias harris and other player salaries that Milwaukee would prefer over the players that golden state has to offer

Under the Stepien Rule, a team is prohibited from trading a FRP if the result will be a scenario where they don't have a FRP in consecutive years.

GS has already traded their 2025 FRP to Miami and it appears they have also traded a protected 2030 FRP to Washington. Based on the Stepien rule, it looks difficult for GS to trade anything more than 1 of their future FRPs at this time.

[DayofMourning]

Giannis didnt want to join when we had space and the tools to build a quality team. Dont think hed want to be here now knowing how wed have to deplete our roster to get him.

[Lennyzinho]

Trade Jimmy to Philly last summer and we’re in the giannis sweepstakes

Look what Minnesota gave up for Gobert.
Malik Beasley, four FRPs, a swap, Kessler who had just been drafted, Pat Bev.

Knicks gave up to get Mikal Bridges
Bodganavic, five FRPs, a swap, and a SRP.

If we had our pick this year and could offer four FRPs, Ware, Herro, Rozier. Personally think thats more value than the two trades above.

But I think Giannis is gonna go for a truly historic haul. Deservedly so. Hes in a completely different tier than either gobert or mikal. And MIL is gonna take bids from all teams, cuz they aren't colluding with the league and Vegas and run by Nico Harrison.

The package SAS HOU OKC ends up sending for giannis is gonna be like 5-6 FRPs and some serious young talent (yes, more than herro + ware) and ok vets.

I still think Giannis is in OKC next year unless Sam presti big brains it and says nah. I also think its ridiculous that the oddsmakers have us behind Lakers Suns Warriors and maybe even Nets. Makes no sense. But whatever.

I’m really curious to see what the final deal is and I’m curious to see what team he wants to join, because he’s going wherever he wants. OKC would be insane

I've been saying this for a while on here. OKC literally has too many good young players and FRPs. They NEED to consolidate. They don't have enough roster spots. And not this off-season but the next they're gonna have to max Jalen Williams AND chet, and Jaylin Williams and Ousmane Dieng are free agents.
And they have a full roster of 15 players heading into next year.

If they turn down Ajay Mitchell's team option they'll have one spot open. And they have our pick and clippers first round pick this year. And maybe a third from Philly top 6 protected, gotta see lottery tonight. So if they draft both they're gonna have to create a roster spot. Or they trade both picks and try moving up or do the usual sam presti move and trade one or both for future picks that are better.

TLDR, OKC should do what Barry said. Trade JWill and Hartenstein and a bunch of FRPs depending on quality for Giannis and make the finals for the next 5-10 years every year.

[wade44]

Bam is valuable on the trade market. If we’re talking Pat taking one last swing before he fades off this is it. Bam for Giannis. Then trade the young guys for another all star caliber player. Fill the rest of the roster with minimum guys like in 2010.

Giannis
Herro
All star

That’s the fantasy path to contention. KD does not make us contenders

Bucks would almost certainly want a win now franchise player or multiple young assets in return for Giannis, as either trade chips or building blocks for the future.

Yeah on a serious note we easily are outbid. Miami’s asset pool is very weak in an era that it truly matters