Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 3

[dshearn]

Heat are 11-1 when Duncan Robinson scores 20 or more points.

Tired of us saying that we need to give him the keys. He needs to take that motherf

All kidding aside, the keys are already in the right hands.

Bam had 16 shots tonight and only created 4 of them on his own.

11 of his shots were created by Butler, Lowry, and Herro feeding him easy buckets or getting him open looks, while the last FGA was a putback.

Bam is largely a finisher and we should continue to create for him and feed him easy buckets, but handing him the keys? No, that'd be like taking the keys from Nash and giving it to Amare. Recognize that the majority of his offense comes from others creating for him.

Bam was going all power to the rim for a high % dunk....very little soft touch.

Thats owning the aggressive approach and what we all want to see, get deep and go hard.

[twix2500]

Heat are 11-1 when Duncan Robinson scores 20 or more points.

Tired of us saying that we need to give him the keys. He needs to take that motherf

All kidding aside, the keys are already in the right hands.

Bam had 16 shots tonight and only created 4 of them on his own.

11 of his shots were created by Butler, Lowry, and Herro feeding him easy buckets or getting him open looks, while the last FGA was a putback.

Bam is largely a finisher and we should continue to create for him and feed him easy buckets, but handing him the keys? No, that'd be like taking the keys from Nash and giving it to Amare. Recognize that the majority of his offense comes from others creating for him.

You need a balance. The reason players like Nash and Harden failed because they were over used in a limited way. And the need for others to contribute. Its why Giannis went from a championship pretender to winner. His usage was more diverse. Bam needs to be more consistent in scoring on his defender one on one. It opens up the rest of his game when you can't key on one part of his game.

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[BenoUdrihFTL]

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Wonder who they would have in mind

Honestly if we can't get out of the wide open East this season, I'd give serious consideration into moving on from Yimmy instead. I guess it would depend on what we could get for Herro; if we can get a bonafide lead scorer that allows us to downgrade Yimmy to a 2nd option then I'd be in favor of it. Because the days of Yimmy being the primary scorer for a viable contender are dwindling if they haven't run out altogether. His inability to shoot from outside is just crushing to our offensive ceiling, it's just extremely difficult to build a modern offense around a wing who can't shoot -- you have to end up overpaying guys like Duncan simply because you're that desperate for floor spacing

If we can't get that type of player for Herro, I'd probably rather just hold onto him and hope he eventually develops into that kind of player or close to it. Then I'd seriously explore moving Yimmy because this might just be the last year to get it done with him as our top offensive player, as he's only gonna decline from here (imo he already has declined since 2020) and I fear a sudden steep dropoff any season because I don't think his game will age well at all once his athleticism diminishes. He's also proven to be very undependable in terms of durability and that should only get worse the older he gets. And then there's his contract, it's absolutely brutal:

2023 (age 33): $37.7
2024 (age 34): $45.2
2025 (age 35): $48.8
2026 (age 36): $52.4

There's no way that won't be an albatross towards the end, we expected that the moment it was announced, but I fear it might became a bad contract as soon as next year. Yimmy is a guy who's coming off a disastrous playoffs in 2021 when he's supposed to be in his peak prime. You could say (and I do believe) he was playing injured, but that just goes back to his durability issues. We'll see this postseason, but unless he performs at 2020 levels then the time to move on from the Jimmy Butler era might should be sooner rather than later (again, unless of course we can move Herro for a legit offensive anchor)

All that said, my opinion really means nothing because I assume 76yo Riley's timeline dgaf about Yimmy's cap hit 2-4 years from now lol. And beyond that, Yimmy is basically the personification of Heat culture and the idea of trading him just doesn't seem right -- not even to myself tbh even if I think it would be the correct basketball decision

[RexBoyWonder]

Heat Have Christian Wood, P.J. Washington On Radar
MAR 11, 2022 11:37 AM

The Miami Heat would like to eventually upgrade their frontcourt alongside Bam Adebaylo, sources tell Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report.

Christian Wood and PJ Washington are two players Miami has shown interest in previously.

Wood has one year remaining on the three-year, $41 million deal he signed with the Houston Rockets in 2020.

Washington becomes eligible for an extension this offseason.

JAKE FISCHER/BLEACHER REPORT

We talked about both of them pre deadline, it's clear the front office see the same need we do - find Bam a PF\C running mate.

[BFRESH44]

The way Bam played against the Cavs is the blueprint. And it doesn’t necessarily have to result in 30-17 (although that would be nice, but that constant pressure on the rim. Diving hard. Staying in near vicinity of the rim. I love box scores with Bam having only 1 or even 0 assists to be honest, because that’s how I know he’s being aggressive.

That’s the blueprint to coming out of the East. Hope Bam knows that.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

The way Bam played against the Cavs is the blueprint. And it doesn’t necessarily have to result in 30-17 (although that would be nice, but that constant pressure on the rim. Diving hard. Staying in near vicinity of the rim. I love box scores with Bam having only 1 or even 0 assists to be honest, because that’s how I know he’s being aggressive.

That’s the blueprint to coming out of the East. Hope Bam knows that.

6-2 when he has 1 or less assists

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Heat are 11-1 when Duncan Robinson scores 20 or more points.

Tired of us saying that we need to give him the keys. He needs to take that motherf

All kidding aside, the keys are already in the right hands.

Bam had 16 shots tonight and only created 4 of them on his own.

11 of his shots were created by Butler, Lowry, and Herro feeding him easy buckets or getting him open looks, while the last FGA was a putback.

Bam is largely a finisher and we should continue to create for him and feed him easy buckets, but handing him the keys? No, that'd be like taking the keys from Nash and giving it to Amare. Recognize that the majority of his offense comes from others creating for him.

I know that 30-17 has you and beenie sick right now lmao. Get the hate out of your heart and focus on more than just Herro on the team and I promise you’ll love it.

[Flash4thewin]

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Wonder who they would have in mind

Honestly if we can't get out of the wide open East this season, I'd give serious consideration into moving on from Yimmy instead. I guess it would depend on what we could get for Herro; if we can get a bonafide lead scorer that allows us to downgrade Yimmy to a 2nd option then I'd be in favor of it. Because the days of Yimmy being the primary scorer for a viable contender are dwindling if they haven't run out altogether. His inability to shoot from outside is just crushing to our offensive ceiling, it's just extremely difficult to build a modern offense around a wing who can't shoot -- you have to end up overpaying guys like Duncan simply because you're that desperate for floor spacing

If we can't get that type of player for Herro, I'd probably rather just hold onto him and hope he eventually develops into that kind of player or close to it. Then I'd seriously explore moving Yimmy because this might just be the last year to get it done with him as our top offensive player, as he's only gonna decline from here (imo he already has declined since 2020) and I fear a sudden steep dropoff any season because I don't think his game will age well at all once his athleticism diminishes. He's also proven to be very undependable in terms of durability and that should only get worse the older he gets. And then there's his contract, it's absolutely brutal:

2023 (age 33): $37.7
2024 (age 34): $45.2
2025 (age 35): $48.8
2026 (age 36): $52.4

There's no way that won't be an albatross towards the end, we expected that the moment it was announced, but I fear it might became a bad contract as soon as next year. Yimmy is a guy who's coming off a disastrous playoffs in 2021 when he's supposed to be in his peak prime. You could say (and I do believe) he was playing injured, but that just goes back to his durability issues. We'll see this postseason, but unless he performs at 2020 levels then the time to move on from the Jimmy Butler era might should be sooner rather than later (again, unless of course we can move Herro for a legit offensive anchor)

All that said, my opinion really means nothing because I assume 76yo Riley's timeline dgaf about Yimmy's cap hit 2-4 years from now lol. And beyond that, Yimmy is basically the personification of Heat culture and the idea of trading him just doesn't seem right -- not even to myself tbh even if I think it would be the correct basketball decision

But who would trade for him and what type of value would we get. Say we have a repeat of last playoffs where Butler played like Simmons, we won't get much unfortunately.

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Oh my **** God. I gotta see his 5 man lineups. I know it's only been 15 minute spurts but that's still incredible after missing so much time.

[MiamiLoyal926]

Heat are 11-1 when Duncan Robinson scores 20 or more points.

Tired of us saying that we need to give him the keys. He needs to take that motherf

All kidding aside, the keys are already in the right hands.

Bam had 16 shots tonight and only created 4 of them on his own.

11 of his shots were created by Butler, Lowry, and Herro feeding him easy buckets or getting him open looks, while the last FGA was a putback.

Bam is largely a finisher and we should continue to create for him and feed him easy buckets, but handing him the keys? No, that'd be like taking the keys from Nash and giving it to Amare. Recognize that the majority of his offense comes from others creating for him.

I know that 30-17 has you and beenie sick right now lmao. Get the hate out of your heart and focus on more than just Herro on the team and I promise you’ll love it.

Let go of the rope a bit. We all want Bam to be the best he can be, and do value him highly, but your extremist views of his current value and contributions make us all want to bring balance to this world and thus focus / point out his shortcomings more than we care to. He is a great Heat player, but man, he needs to give us more of these types of nights to merit your extremist narrative on this board. It feels as if you are holding this man up on the same pedestal as Wade.

I hope he comes out these playoffs and makes a regular appearance of 20+/10+, with some nights of carrying the team to wins. If he does, then we can start to truly consider Bam at that level. Until then, man has to earn this level of respect.

[BadMofoPimp]

Screw trading Hero, resign him and watch him get even better. If the Heat can resign Herro and Oladipo then trade Duncan, they can rip the league for a few years with Bam and Butler.

[DayofMourning]

Screw trading Hero, resign him and watch him get even better. If the Heat can resign Herro and Oladipo then trade Duncan, they can rip the league for a few years with Bam and Butler.

Preach brother Pimp.

[DayofMourning]

Heat Have Christian Wood, P.J. Washington On Radar
MAR 11, 2022 11:37 AM

The Miami Heat would like to eventually upgrade their frontcourt alongside Bam Adebaylo, sources tell Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report.

Christian Wood and PJ Washington are two players Miami has shown interest in previously.

Wood has one year remaining on the three-year, $41 million deal he signed with the Houston Rockets in 2020.

Washington becomes eligible for an extension this offseason.

JAKE FISCHER/BLEACHER REPORT

We talked about both of them pre deadline, it's clear the front office see the same need we do - find Bam a PF\C running mate.

Would this see the end of Dedmon. Would we let him walk? Dedmon walking?

[Flash4thewin]

Screw trading Hero, resign him and watch him get even better. If the Heat can resign Herro and Oladipo then trade Duncan, they can rip the league for a few years with Bam and Butler.

Preach brother Pimp.

Money and the tax….

If we didn’t want to spend when we had freaking Lebron, Wade and Bosh because of tax implications, it seems hard to see us doing that now. Also remember the owners of the Heat basically make their money from the cruise industry which has been decimated for the past two years. We would be spending a max for Herro (either we give to him or he signs it as a restricted free agent), Oladipo honestly i want to see more of him to make an educates decision on what type of player he will actually be here. That’s not touching Herro and his desire to be a starter, hopefully here but players have forced trades for lesser things.

[MorbidHEAT]

Screw trading Hero, resign him and watch him get even better. If the Heat can resign Herro and Oladipo then trade Duncan, they can rip the league for a few years with Bam and Butler.

I agree. Last year people were saying that Herro reached his ceiling and he blew the roof off of it this year. We really don't know how good he can be. Next year he can take a jump and score 25 PPG which will put him right in that Donovan Mitchell and Bradley Beal conversation. He is already pretty clutch, so he can really be our best scorer and closer in a season or 2. Keep him and see what we have as he continues to grow. He is still years away from his prime. I wouldn't trade him unless its for a young superstar.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

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Wonder who they would have in mind

Honestly if we can't get out of the wide open East this season, I'd give serious consideration into moving on from Yimmy instead. I guess it would depend on what we could get for Herro; if we can get a bonafide lead scorer that allows us to downgrade Yimmy to a 2nd option then I'd be in favor of it. Because the days of Yimmy being the primary scorer for a viable contender are dwindling if they haven't run out altogether. His inability to shoot from outside is just crushing to our offensive ceiling, it's just extremely difficult to build a modern offense around a wing who can't shoot -- you have to end up overpaying guys like Duncan simply because you're that desperate for floor spacing

If we can't get that type of player for Herro, I'd probably rather just hold onto him and hope he eventually develops into that kind of player or close to it. Then I'd seriously explore moving Yimmy because this might just be the last year to get it done with him as our top offensive player, as he's only gonna decline from here (imo he already has declined since 2020) and I fear a sudden steep dropoff any season because I don't think his game will age well at all once his athleticism diminishes. He's also proven to be very undependable in terms of durability and that should only get worse the older he gets. And then there's his contract, it's absolutely brutal:

2023 (age 33): $37.7
2024 (age 34): $45.2
2025 (age 35): $48.8
2026 (age 36): $52.4

There's no way that won't be an albatross towards the end, we expected that the moment it was announced, but I fear it might became a bad contract as soon as next year. Yimmy is a guy who's coming off a disastrous playoffs in 2021 when he's supposed to be in his peak prime. You could say (and I do believe) he was playing injured, but that just goes back to his durability issues. We'll see this postseason, but unless he performs at 2020 levels then the time to move on from the Jimmy Butler era might should be sooner rather than later (again, unless of course we can move Herro for a legit offensive anchor)

All that said, my opinion really means nothing because I assume 76yo Riley's timeline dgaf about Yimmy's cap hit 2-4 years from now lol. And beyond that, Yimmy is basically the personification of Heat culture and the idea of trading him just doesn't seem right -- not even to myself tbh even if I think it would be the correct basketball decision

But who would trade for him and what type of value would we get. Say we have a repeat of last playoffs where Butler played like Simmons, we won't get much unfortunately.

Honestly it's kinda depressing to think about lol. Maybe a reasonable target would be something like Jarrett Allen and Sexton from Cleveland, worst case would be just unloading him for cap space and picks. Maybe package Yimmy and Duncan for something like Westbrick's expiring and future 1sts from LAL. That would be a hard sell tho lol

The more I think about it perhaps I was being too negative. Maybe our best bet is to roll with what we got; groom Herro to be that lead scorer and let Yimmy fall back into a secondary role. Go all in and re-sign Dipo to have a 3 headed wing attack

I was looking at Herro's splits for the season, and tho his efficiency has been mediocre overall, it's kinda deceiving. He's really only had two bad months (they were very bad) that drag his season efficiency down. TS% by month:

Oct: 57%
Nov: 56%
Dec: 52%
Jan: 49%
Feb: 63%
Mar: 63%

Those bad months occurred when we were going through covid/injuries and defenses were throwing the kitchen sink at Herro who was being asked to bail out the offense far more than he's capable of at this point

And tho his season TS is a meh 55%, that's more an issue of shot selection rather than his ability to shoot the ball. Because his actual shooting splits are a very sufficient 44/39/86 (for reference Steph Curry is 43/38/92, James Harden in Houston was 44/36/86). The problem is that Herro takes too many low % 2s and too few 3s or FTs. Part of that is Herro still needing to develop his offensive IQ and FT drawing skills, and part of it is his role within the offense as an "instant offense" guy who just comes in and shoots rather than "feature" guy who has the system designed around getting him into his best spots and hunting favorable matchups. He probably wasn't ready to be that feature guy this season, but hopefully he can take that step next season

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Screw trading Hero, resign him and watch him get even better. If the Heat can resign Herro and Oladipo then trade Duncan, they can rip the league for a few years with Bam and Butler.

I agree. Last year people were saying that Herro reached his ceiling and he blew the roof off of it this year. We really don't know how good he can be. Next year he can take a jump and score 25 PPG which will put him right in that Donovan Mitchell and Bradley Beal conversation. He is already pretty clutch, so he can really be our best scorer and closer in a season or 2. Keep him and see what we have as he continues to grow. He is still years away from his prime. I wouldn't trade him unless its for a young superstar.

Hilarious to me when people try to say guys under the age of 28 have reached their ceiling.

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Barry tweet suggest this is not a decision made by the Heat

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