2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2

[oreon]

As for Butler i honestly think the Suns are the only show in town and the Heat quickly walked away once Beal and his contract was mentioned. The other teams are saving their assets for younger star players.

Butler will be 36 next year and hard to deal many assets for an aging star looking to get paid. Hard to commit to that in this apron CBA era. Jimmy gonna learn the hard way that this ain’t like his last free agent rodeo with Philly when he was still in his prime age years. Gonna be hard to walk away from the 52 million.

A good case study was Harden with Philly who was promised a max extension then Philly backed off. He ended up not opting out bluffing but then was a pain in the ass till he was traded. The right thing for the Heat to do considering their lack of assets is just to resign Jimmy for a cheaper longer term deal that’s more cap friendly. Spread the payments out and have him retire here. Work around the edges with the 45 million between Rozier and Duncan about to open up and continue to develop. Just my 2 cents

Nah. The best thing to do is to move on from Jimmy when way or the other. Trade him or let him walk. This team is not a contender or even close. We need to swap out Butler contract for a Fox or another top 15 player. If none is available, then rebuild. The mediocrity gotta stop. I think the magic of us sucking in regular season and pulling mircales in playoffs is over. If FO needs another playoff to see that then so be it. But next season we can't continue with this core as is. It's done

[Beenie]

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[Shewasfly]

I don't watch a ton of Kings games (who does?) but the Fox obsession is weird. I get that he's Bam's friend (who isn't*?), but so what? Bam isn't the centerpiece either, or shouldn't be. How many #2 options do we need exactly? Because Fox is a #2 if I've ever seen one.

And that #2 is on offense only. He doesn't seem to have the mental or intangibles of a winner. He is basically Bradley Beal when he was younger.

*except for Jimmy, who has actually played with him his whole career.

[Beenie]

I don't watch a ton of Kings games (who does?) but the Fox obsession is weird. I get that he's Bam's friend (who isn't*?), but so what? Bam isn't the centerpiece either, or shouldn't be. How many #2 options do we need exactly? Because Fox is a #2 if I've ever seen one.

And that #2 is on offense only. He doesn't seem to have the mental or intangibles of a winner. He is basically Bradley Beal when he was younger.

*except for Jimmy, who has actually played with him his whole career.

Yep

With Jimmy, I do like the idea of adding Fox who can be a better version of Goran.

Without Jimmy, Fox bam and Herro aren’t knocking on the door to a chip much less getting out of the second round - if they even could get that far

[Kobewade11]

Quincy McCall may look like a #2, thats without the Spo optimization. I’ve said before I think he could be a legitimate MVP candidate here, but I also understand the doubts.

[twix2500]

Trade Jimmy. Get picks. Full youth movement.

A full youth movement is a 2 year undertaking at minimum. If that's the direction you guys wanna take Bam has to be offloaded too.

Bam is young enough he doesn't have to be uploaded. A youth movement especially for the Heat is acquire them for trade purposes.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Fox isn’t the final piece, he’s a piece to reset the timeline. Bam is the cornerstone, whether some of you PPG merchants like it or not but that’s irrelevant to the discussion. You can potentially snag a just turned 27 year old who can put up 27-5-7 as a lead guard, you do that every time. He’s a better defender than given credit for too

[DayofMourning]

Quincy McCall may look like a #2, thats without the Spo optimization. I’ve said before I think he could be a legitimate MVP candidate here, but I also understand the doubts.

Kid has been averaging like 25 points a game for several years. Here, hed become a more advanced defender. Hed give you a high level ball handler to take the pressure off Herro. Its an easy fit.

Only way to get him is to wait though.

[Kobewade11]

Trade Jimmy. Get picks. Full youth movement.

A full youth movement is a 2 year undertaking at minimum. If that's the direction you guys wanna take Bam has to be offloaded too.

Bam is young enough he doesn't have to be uploaded. A youth movement especially for the Heat is acquire them for trade purposes.

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He’ll be 28 next year, not old at all but old enough for it to be a blended timeline. My imo is if you’re going for a youth movement go all the way in dont half ass it. Nobody is giving it up for Jimmy it appears.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Fox isn’t the final piece, he’s a piece to reset the timeline. Bam is the cornerstone, whether some of you PPG merchants like it or not but that’s irrelevant to the discussion. You can potentially snag a just turned 27 year old who can put up 27-5-7 as a lead guard, you do that every time. He’s a better defender than given credit for too

Isn’t the final piece if Jimmy is gone I should say, he is the final piece if we somehow worked it out to keep Jimmy through all this nonsense. Without Jimmy we’re in the same boat we’re currently in, that’s why I consider it resetting the timeline. Except then the style of player we’d be missing is likely different than what we’re currently missing with Jimmy (lead guard 3 level scoring all star like Dame/Mitchell/Kyrie would’ve been).

[al bondiga]

Although I'm in for a complete overhaul and then youth movement, Especially getting spo and jb to stepout with picks... My curiosity is at a high to see what bam and hero can do Without jb...

I think they deserve at least one Season to go at it alone

bam deserves 2 seasons ...he will be for at least the next 6 years a defensive Monster In nba

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[Shewasfly]

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You somehow get them and keep JB is that not a contender? Seriously. I know we're all sour on how these guys have looked especially lately, but we're not that far off if teams are selling their talent for as cheap as some reports are saying.

[twix2500]

A full youth movement is a 2 year undertaking at minimum. If that's the direction you guys wanna take Bam has to be offloaded too.

Bam is young enough he doesn't have to be uploaded. A youth movement especially for the Heat is acquire them for trade purposes.

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He’ll be 28 next year, not old at all but old enough for it to be a blended timeline. My imo is if you’re going for a youth movement go all the way in dont half ass it. Nobody is giving it up for Jimmy it appears.

Do you mean tank? The Heat will not do that. The Heat started a youth movement after Zo got sick acquiring Rafer Alson, Lamar Odom, Malik Allen, Caron Butler, Rasual Butler, and Wade etc while keeping Eddie Jones and Brian Grant. When the time was right they flipped those peices for Shaq, Walker, Williams and Posey. The same after Bosh illness, converting Winslow, Richardson, Whiteside, into Butler, Iggy and Crowder.

IMO the Heat did make a mistake with Rozier giving up a first rounder. But they must not do the same.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If Jimmy is involved in the future Lavine is a piece you want. A Lavine/Carter trade would do wonders. Cant get Lavine and Vucevic unfortunately unless you include Herros salary and that’s not happening. If Jimmy’s not involved in the future plans then none of it makes sense

[twix2500]

If Jimmy is involved in the future Lavine is a piece you want. A Lavine/Carter trade would do wonders. Cant get Lavine and Vucevic unfortunately unless you include Herros salary and that’s not happening. If Jimmy’s not involved in the future plans then none of it makes sense

Heat not doing Lavine just like they are not doing Beal.

If the Heat are building around Butler than players like McCollum or the players we talked about on Nets. But other than that there are no high level scorer pieces out there if that's why you looking at Lavine

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

If Jimmy is involved in the future Lavine is a piece you want. A Lavine/Carter trade would do wonders. Cant get Lavine and Vucevic unfortunately unless you include Herros salary and that’s not happening. If Jimmy’s not involved in the future plans then none of it makes sense

Heat not doing Lavine just like they are not doing Beal.

If the Heat are building around Butler than players like McCollum or the players we talked about on Nets. But other than that there are no high level scorer pieces out there if that's why you looking at Lavine

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I’d take the better and younger player in Lavine over CJ but I agree they won’t look at it.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If Jimmy is involved in the future Lavine is a piece you want. A Lavine/Carter trade would do wonders. Cant get Lavine and Vucevic unfortunately unless you include Herros salary and that’s not happening. If Jimmy’s not involved in the future plans then none of it makes sense

LaVine’s contract is too cumbersome for the future books and especially with that trade kicker unless he waives it. Vucevic and Carter are realistic if we want to rekindle the KO and Leonard dynamic we had with Bam that had great success. I understand Vucevic plays no defense but neither did those other two. Vucevic is there to provide spacing, rebounding, and using his big body to help out Bam in the screen game. Bam is there at the 4 to protect him defensively but also Vucevic alleviates the scoring pressure.

[greg4012]

Just glancing at our forum what’s with all the hot takes. Spo overrated, jimmy overrated and riles too lol

What is this twitter

Increasingly--yes

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If Jimmy is involved in the future Lavine is a piece you want. A Lavine/Carter trade would do wonders. Cant get Lavine and Vucevic unfortunately unless you include Herros salary and that’s not happening. If Jimmy’s not involved in the future plans then none of it makes sense

LaVine’s contract is too cumbersome for the future books and especially with that trade kicker unless he waives it. Vucevic and Carter are realistic if we want to rekindle the KO and Leonard dynamic we had with Bam that had great success. I understand Vucevic plays no defense but neither did those other two. Vucevic is there to provide spacing, rebounding, and using his big body to help out Bam in the screen game. Bam is there at the 4 to protect him defensively but also Vucevic alleviates the scoring pressure.

Only negative is it probably costs you a 1st