2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6

[contract]

OK but you didn't answer the second question. Who should have been shooting more? And idk, maybe we have different interpretations of dominating the ball. I don't see that as what was done with Tyler last season. He's shot the most because that was the role we gave him in previous years (gun off the bench) and then last year by virtue of the lack of talent on offense on our roster. He did what was asked of him, and statistically he didn't do a bad job of it at all.

Also I think the idea of just passing the ball around leading to open shots isn't really a strategy that works in today's NBA. You need a point of attack person, even more so in the playoffs. If no one is touching feet into the paint, the defense has very little reason to move, especially against an offense with minimal threats. You can pass the ball around the perimeter all you want, but the paint will be packed and the shots will be easily contested. You need an offensive threat, preferably threats, where you can put the ball in their hands and move the defense.

I did answer the second question. Whoever has the high percentage shot shoots. We haven't had a player good enough to be ball dominant since Lebron left, and it will likely be a long time until another player good enough to play that way rolls through here.

So even Jimmy and D-Wade didn't fit this standard? OK then. Agree to disagree.

Old Wade? No.
Jimmy? No.

[dshearn]

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Ehhh there are a thousand others

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that was always unreliable for me...but then again so is league pass


i got a new thing...a flawless thing so far (NFL Pre-season) and its quasi legal...

[dshearn]

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i just read an article on piston powered talking about the robinson regret and Fontecchio being a two way player....


this dude plays defense?

[Hallstar]

Nobody should dominate the ball. Only superstars should ever be granted that role. You keep the ball moving until you find a high percentage shot or the play clock winds down. Tyler Herro is not that guy. Tyler Herro doesn't even know that guy.

That was the last 2 games of the playoffs...how did that go? Until the clock winds down then toss the grenade to Herro.

I knew it was someone else's fault that we got destroyed. If only we'd have leaned on Herro more.

That was literally the difference between the first two and the last 2 games.

First two he was on ball, we were somewhat competitive but lost.

Last 2 was off ball and our offense imploded.. he was dominating the offense with 10 and 13 shots? Dudes have 5 year old opinions and reality be damned.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Beasley getting some work in with the only guy to ever beat him one on one.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Sometimes when I read the Herro takes on this board it comes off like people made a decision on who he is as a player 3 or 4 years ago and just ignore anything that's happened since.

I was very critical of him 3 years ago (thought we got better in the playoffs without him which was probably the case considering we reached the Finals). I thought he improved a bit 2 years ago, would have liked to see what we looked like without Jimmy going down immediately. And he definitely made a huge leap last year, but again Jimmy imploded and he was left having to do everything.

He wasn't forcing shots or chucking, the team was just that bad without him, seriously who was going to create, Haywood Highsmith? Duncan? I love Bam, but he's a complementary piece on offense, not an engine. Also Tyler's assists went up, the turnovers went down, and the whole offense in general looked much better whenever he was taking the reigns.

He's a flawed player, but there's a few posters who are just convinced he's a net negative and that's bull.

[contract]

That was the last 2 games of the playoffs...how did that go? Until the clock winds down then toss the grenade to Herro.

I knew it was someone else's fault that we got destroyed. If only we'd have leaned on Herro more.

That was literally the difference between the first two and the last 2 games.

First two he was on ball, we were somewhat competitive but lost.

Last 2 was off ball and our offense imploded.. he was dominating the offense with 10 and 13 shots? Dudes have 5 year old opinions and reality be damned.

Is this an acknowledgement that Herro needs to be on ball and spamming shots to be effective on the offensive end?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Speaking of players who only play 1 side of the ball and havent shown they can contribute on that 1 side of the ball when the games really matter, looks like Cam Thomas is the first RFA domino to fall. Still have The Giddler, Kuminga and I believe 1 more that is slipping my mind as the bigger names guys left.

[Hallstar]

I knew it was someone else's fault that we got destroyed. If only we'd have leaned on Herro more.

That was literally the difference between the first two and the last 2 games.

First two he was on ball, we were somewhat competitive but lost.

Last 2 was off ball and our offense imploded.. he was dominating the offense with 10 and 13 shots? Dudes have 5 year old opinions and reality be damned.

Is this an acknowledgement that Herro need to be on ball and spamming shots to be effective on the offensive end?

This is acknowledgement of the talent of the team last year. Herro apparently has to be the roleplayer offensive engine of the team that doesn't touch the ball...a basketball unicorn if one ever existed.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Rapaz]

[HeatGuyInChicago]

Anyone wonder if the Big 3 actually took small paycuts for Haslem?

[Vertical Limit]

Anyone wonder if the Big 3 actually took small paycuts for Haslem?

I believe they did because at the end of the day, what they cut was so minimal just to fit him and Mike Miller into cap space. I definitely think they got the best deal available in the city when it came to luxury cars and real estate. Riley has a lot of pull in that market in Miami.

[Vertical Limit]

I most definitely believe Jalen Brunson is on the same BS, getting massive under the table payments. Now will the league dare to sanction one of their biggest markets? This after having one of the lowest rated finals with two of the smallest market teams facing each other?

Is there something more to look at between Dallas and the Lakers trade? Maybe cash exchanges between organizations?

These are very big cases they need to look at but dont bet anything will be released to the public —- Adam Silver has a product, a massive TV deal and very rich old people to “protect”.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I most definitely believe Jalen Brunson is on the same BS, getting massive under the table payments. Now will the league dare to sanction one of their biggest markets? This after having one of the lowest rated finals with two of the smallest market teams facing each other?

Is there something more to look at between Dallas and the Lakers trade? Maybe cash exchanges between organizations?

These are very big cases they need to look at but dont bet anything will be released to the public —- Adam Silver has a product, a massive TV deal and very rich old people to “protect”.

Adam Silver is a Knicks fan too

[Shewasfly]

I did answer the second question. Whoever has the high percentage shot shoots. We haven't had a player good enough to be ball dominant since Lebron left, and it will likely be a long time until another player good enough to play that way rolls through here.

So even Jimmy and D-Wade didn't fit this standard? OK then. Agree to disagree.

Old Wade? No.
Jimmy? No.

Wade was not old for the 2 seasons we had him after LeBron left. He got us very close to ECF again despite the fluctuating roster and eventually Bosh's medical challenges. And Jimmy being downplayed when he took far worse rosters than LeBron ever had to two Finals is puzzling.

All this just to denigrate Tyler is very weird. It should never be that serious.

[Shewasfly]

That was literally the difference between the first two and the last 2 games.

First two he was on ball, we were somewhat competitive but lost.

Last 2 was off ball and our offense imploded.. he was dominating the offense with 10 and 13 shots? Dudes have 5 year old opinions and reality be damned.

Is this an acknowledgement that Herro need to be on ball and spamming shots to be effective on the offensive end?

This is acknowledgement of the talent of the team last year. Herro apparently has to be the roleplayer offensive engine of the team that doesn't touch the ball...a basketball unicorn if one ever existed.

Exactly. Because it's not like the team fared better with him off the ball, which was the initial assertion. In fact, we looked A LOT worse. Which supports what I'm saying about having offensive threats that move the defense. We didn't have that other than Tyler and we made due.

I think its fine to be upset at the results in the playoffs, but to completely ignore context for that agenda is disingenuous. Folks just hate him with a passion and will blame him for any and everything at this point.

[Daffy]

Sometimes when I read the Herro takes on this board it comes off like people made a decision on who he is as a player 3 or 4 years ago and just ignore anything that's happened since.

I was very critical of him 3 years ago (thought we got better in the playoffs without him which was probably the case considering we reached the Finals). I thought he improved a bit 2 years ago, would have liked to see what we looked like without Jimmy going down immediately. And he definitely made a huge leap last year, but again Jimmy imploded and he was left having to do everything.

He wasn't forcing shots or chucking, the team was just that bad without him, seriously who was going to create, Haywood Highsmith? Duncan? I love Bam, but he's a complementary piece on offense, not an engine. Also Tyler's assists went up, the turnovers went down, and the whole offense in general looked much better whenever he was taking the reigns.

He's a flawed player, but there's a few posters who are just convinced he's a net negative and that's bull.

Some do it to prop their favorite player up. Others do it because they have no idea how a developmental career trajectory works. The more you ignore the takes the better your experience on this board will be honestly.

[Hallstar]

Is this an acknowledgement that Herro need to be on ball and spamming shots to be effective on the offensive end?

This is acknowledgement of the talent of the team last year. Herro apparently has to be the roleplayer offensive engine of the team that doesn't touch the ball...a basketball unicorn if one ever existed.

Exactly. Because it's not like the team fared better with him off the ball, which was the initial assertion. In fact, we looked A LOT worse. Which supports what I'm saying about having offensive threats that move the defense. We didn't have that other than Tyler and we made due.

I think its fine to be upset at the results in the playoffs, but to completely ignore context for that agenda is disingenuous. Folks just hate him with a passion and will blame him for any and everything at this point.

It's why Powell can be a big factor to the starting lineup. He's a wing player that demands the respect of the defense. That also allows Bam to not worry about a guard that abandoned whoever was next to Herro trying for steals in the paint. We're not winning a ring, but we don't need a whale to be respectable.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Sometimes when I read the Herro takes on this board it comes off like people made a decision on who he is as a player 3 or 4 years ago and just ignore anything that's happened since.

I was very critical of him 3 years ago (thought we got better in the playoffs without him which was probably the case considering we reached the Finals). I thought he improved a bit 2 years ago, would have liked to see what we looked like without Jimmy going down immediately. And he definitely made a huge leap last year, but again Jimmy imploded and he was left having to do everything.

He wasn't forcing shots or chucking, the team was just that bad without him, seriously who was going to create, Haywood Highsmith? Duncan? I love Bam, but he's a complementary piece on offense, not an engine. Also Tyler's assists went up, the turnovers went down, and the whole offense in general looked much better whenever he was taking the reigns.

He's a flawed player, but there's a few posters who are just convinced he's a net negative and that's bull.

Some do it to prop their favorite player up. Others do it because they have no idea how a developmental career trajectory works. The more you ignore the takes the better your experience on this board will be honestly.

I’m assuming this first sentence is about me since I’m the “resident Bam stan and not a real Heat fan” because I defend Bam when people speak nonsense. Why would I need to knock Tyler to prop up Bam? I’m not getting how that makes much sense. Can I simply not be high on a player that doesn’t play any defense whatsoever and doesn’t perform well at all in the playoffs? That has nothing to do with Bam lol. You all really got me misunderstood. Like you all love to say about several outside players fans have interest in adding…..”he’s not a Heat guy”