Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK

[AirP.]

What's interesting is the timing, Butler following Beal and C.Johnson having dinner with Beal seems to be around the same time Butler is returning from overseas.

I’m sorry, but is anyone else wondering how Chad Johnson is getting so involved in Heat affairs? I mean I know he’s got a personality that enjoys being in the limelight, but if the Heat land Beal, someone owes CJ a paycheck.

He's just a Miami Heat fan trying to use his connection and advertising it. Usually they do it in private. I doubt Chad really has an influence on Beal besides being entertaining to Beal. But you never know.

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It seems he wants to make connections, I'd guess he's wanting to move towards being part of the media.

He did reach out to Butler before anything was public about Butler coming to Miami.

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[DayofMourning]

I have a feeling the Heat will eventually end up with Chris Paul before All-star break.

Something to say hmmm about. Could OKC be interested in taking John Wall for Paul?

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Would okay that. Rather Paul than Wall.

[AirP.]

I have a feeling the Heat will eventually end up with Chris Paul before All-star break.

Something to say hmmm about. Could OKC be interested in taking John Wall for Paul?

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Would okay that. Rather Paul than Wall.

It's going to really hurt OKC hold onto CP3 past the season starting.
1. Locker room issues with 3 PGs who all need time.
2. Probably getting a worse draft pick.
3. With game that goes by it makes CP3s contract a worse value, I'm not sure why anyone trades for CP3 later in the season unless they believe the trade will put them over the top which would probably make it even harder for OKC to trade him and get less value with less teams interested.

I gotta believe either CP3 will be moved in the next 6 weeks or he'll be staying in OKC for the next 2 years and then possibly getting bought out unless... Presti is thinking about taking another big swing to be a contender, CP3, Gallinari and Adams are 3 very good players whose skills don't overlap, it's actually a possibility that Presti pulls another rabbit out of his hat and adds another big player with OKC's assets. Imagine OKC going to Washington and offering Schroder and Roberson to match salaries and 4-8 1st and 2nd round picks for Beal? CP3, Beal, <SF they'd need to trade for>, Gallinari, Adams with SGA, TF and Noel coming off the bench? OKC has the ability to completely remake itself into a contender. Who knows, maybe McCollum, Derozan, Jrue Holiday(more assets for NO), or even D.Russell(which they could be in a 3 team trade to get a SG) becomes available at a high cost.

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[Hallstar]

I have a feeling the Heat will eventually end up with Chris Paul before All-star break.

Something to say hmmm about. Could OKC be interested in taking John Wall for Paul?

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Would okay that. Rather Paul than Wall.

If we're taking on BS contracts, I'm taking Wall + Beal 100/100

[gom]

I'm ok with sending Dragic and James Johnson to OKC for Chris Paul and Miami's two FRP back. It means Miami would not be able to sign Beal anytime soon though.

[Grover]

Chris Paul can be traded September 16th and I suspect the onus is on Presti to make a deal before training camp opens with at least one facilitator team involved to take on Johnson and Waiters while spinning expiring contracts to OKC. Not that the Beal rumors are smoke but their new management is very unlikely to devalue the return for Beal with the inclusion of Wall. I like the Hornets as the facilitator team for not only three large expirings that fit several scenarios but their ability to absorb a little extra salary under the cap in return.

[gom]

I'm pretty sure if Paul is targeted, Dragic must be leaving, and not (for example) Waiters. The problem is OKC and Miami are both over the luxury tax line, so another team needs to be involved. If Herro plays well, something like this could almost work:

JJ: $15,349,400 (two seasons)
Dragic: $19,217,900 (expiring)
Herro: $3,640,200 (rookie deal)

$38,207,500

vs

Paul: $38,506,482
2021 FRP
2023 FRP

Miami would be stupid to do this deal though.

[Beenie]

I'm pretty sure if Paul is targeted, Dragic must be leaving, and not (for example) Waiters. The problem is OKC and Miami are both over the luxury tax line, so another team needs to be involved. If Herro plays well, something like this could almost work:

JJ: $15,349,400 (two seasons)
Dragic: $19,217,900 (expiring)
Herro: $3,640,200 (rookie deal)

$38,207,500

vs

Paul: $38,506,482
2021 FRP
2023 FRP

Miami would be stupid to do this deal though.

Not if they hypothetically had a deal in place with Washington for Beal in exchange for a package that included the OKC picks.

As much as Mia likes Herro, if he (along with picks and fillers) could net them CP3 and Beal they would almost be foolish not to pull the trigger, imo.

[gom]

I'm pretty sure if Paul is targeted, Dragic must be leaving, and not (for example) Waiters. The problem is OKC and Miami are both over the luxury tax line, so another team needs to be involved. If Herro plays well, something like this could almost work:

JJ: $15,349,400 (two seasons)
Dragic: $19,217,900 (expiring)
Herro: $3,640,200 (rookie deal)

$38,207,500

vs

Paul: $38,506,482
2021 FRP
2023 FRP

Miami would be stupid to do this deal though.

Not if they hypothetically had a deal in place with Washington for Beal in exchange for a package that included the OKC picks.

As much as Mia likes Herro, if he (along with picks and fillers) could net them CP3 and Beal they would almost be foolish not to pull the trigger, imo.

Paul's contract (remaining years):

2019-20: (age 34) $38,506,482
2020-21: (age 35) $41,358,814
2021-22: (age 36) $44,211,146 (player option - he will take)

This doesn't seem like a good idea at all to me.

VORP looks like a falling knife:

6.9 (2014-15)
6.0 (2015-16)
5.3 (2016-17)
4.2 (2017-18)
2.4 (2018-19)

On the other hand, 2.4 VORP is the same as Bam's.

[Beenie]

I'm pretty sure if Paul is targeted, Dragic must be leaving, and not (for example) Waiters. The problem is OKC and Miami are both over the luxury tax line, so another team needs to be involved. If Herro plays well, something like this could almost work:

JJ: $15,349,400 (two seasons)
Dragic: $19,217,900 (expiring)
Herro: $3,640,200 (rookie deal)

$38,207,500

vs

Paul: $38,506,482
2021 FRP
2023 FRP

Miami would be stupid to do this deal though.

Not if they hypothetically had a deal in place with Washington for Beal in exchange for a package that included the OKC picks.

As much as Mia likes Herro, if he (along with picks and fillers) could net them CP3 and Beal they would almost be foolish not to pull the trigger, imo.

Paul's contract (remaining years):

2019-20: (age 34) $38,506,482
2020-21: (age 35) $41,358,814
2021-22: (age 36) $44,211,146 (player option - he will take)

This doesn't seem like a good idea at all to me.

These hypothetical moves would support a win-now agenda. Something to consider, 3 years from now Butler will almost certainly be exiting his prime years. We also don't know if Riley will continue onward for too much longer than that.

I would also argue CP3 is still a elite player and 3 years from now at 36 he'll likely still be better than half of the starting PGs in the league.

[gom]

$44m can buy a pretty good player. Chris Paul at 36 wouldn't be my first choice.

[DayofMourning]

I have a feeling the Heat will eventually end up with Chris Paul before All-star break.

Something to say hmmm about. Could OKC be interested in taking John Wall for Paul?

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Would okay that. Rather Paul than Wall.

If we're taking on BS contracts, I'm taking Wall + Beal 100/100

I was more into Beal plus Paul and Wall to OKC.

[BadMofoPimp]

I'm pretty sure if Paul is targeted, Dragic must be leaving, and not (for example) Waiters. The problem is OKC and Miami are both over the luxury tax line, so another team needs to be involved. If Herro plays well, something like this could almost work:

JJ: $15,349,400 (two seasons)
Dragic: $19,217,900 (expiring)
Herro: $3,640,200 (rookie deal)

$38,207,500

vs

Paul: $38,506,482
2021 FRP
2023 FRP

Miami would be stupid to do this deal though.

Chris Paul is not worth Herro on his own. Sub a couple scrubs instead.

Or,

Just Leonard, JJ and Waiters for Chris Paul and Two FRP. OKC would still jump all over that.

[BadMofoPimp]

I personally would rather wait til Paul proves he is still worthy of a trade by his play in OKC for the first 1/3rd of the season.

[Kobewade11]

Has this nugget been discussed here or just more fantasy trade bullchit?

Bam Adebayo was dropped from the Team USA roster for 2 reasons, according to sources. He was “too childish” and allegedly gotten into a altercation with another player.

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[twix2500]

Has this nugget been discussed here or just more fantasy trade bullchit?

Bam Adebayo was dropped from the Team USA roster for 2 reasons, according to sources. He was “too childish” and allegedly gotten into a altercation with another player.

Nope, I been waiting on details. This however is the most detail info that Iv seen

[Kobewade11]

Has this nugget been discussed here or just more fantasy trade bullchit?

Bam Adebayo was dropped from the Team USA roster for 2 reasons, according to sources. He was “too childish” and allegedly gotten into a altercation with another player.

Nope, I been waiting on details. This however is the most detail info that Iv seen

Let me find out we traded the wrong young piece

[Bishop45]

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