Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 3

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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That’s weird. It had seemed they were disagreeing about this so I guess Morris went through the NBA and NBPA to get cleared. If this is the case he may be active but I don’t see how that would help him actually get in the games. I guess we’ll know in an hour or so if that’s the case

[twix2500]

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That’s weird. It had seemed they were disagreeing about this so I guess Morris went through the NBA and NBPA to get cleared. If this is the case he may be active but I don’t see how that would help him actually get in the games. I guess we’ll know in an hour or so if that’s the case

Could be a legality thing. To protect themselves

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Thoughts? I honestly agree. At his peak his was a step ahead of kobe.

[al bondiga]

PJ, gabe and Robinson are the kind of players that can only become starters in a good team if they would exceed over a 10-game stretch...they only possess a couple of qualities that can be uniquely useful... you need more than that to be good in the NBA night in a night out... I am very confused on why spo doesn't see this... there must be something going on behind the scene

[Slot Machine]

Vincent just should never be starting at SG, the dude is tiny. He’s fine as a 3&D backup at the 1, but Spo is really forcing this Lowry-Vincent backcourt and it doesn’t work.

[somerandomdude]

Dedmon IRL

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H/T Iggie

[BadMofoPimp]

Screw trading Hero, resign him and watch him get even better. If the Heat can resign Herro and Oladipo then trade Duncan, they can rip the league for a few years with Bam and Butler.

I agree. Last year people were saying that Herro reached his ceiling and he blew the roof off of it this year. We really don't know how good he can be. Next year he can take a jump and score 25 PPG which will put him right in that Donovan Mitchell and Bradley Beal conversation. He is already pretty clutch, so he can really be our best scorer and closer in a season or 2. Keep him and see what we have as he continues to grow. He is still years away from his prime. I wouldn't trade him unless its for a young superstar.

Hilarious to me when people try to say guys under the age of 28 have reached their ceiling.

Tyler's only 22.

[dshearn]

Well....

The team is almost there.

Let's hope they can get healthy for the close of the season. I can't wait till the bench is Gabe just a 1, the 2 is Herro-VO-Strus, the 3 is Martin, Morris is the 4.

Even if we never get the Turk/ Bam combo at 5/4 i hope we dont roll out small 2s and 3s on the regular.

While we are on the subject, I really hope we get to see Lowery-VO-Jimmy-PJ-Bam to start a game soon.

[dshearn]

Those bad months occurred when we were going through covid/injuries and defenses were throwing the kitchen sink at Herro who was being asked to bail out the offense far more than he's capable of at this point

And tho his season TS is a meh 55%, that's more an issue of shot selection rather than his ability to shoot the ball. Because his actual shooting splits are a very sufficient 44/39/86 (for reference Steph Curry is 43/38/92, James Harden in Houston was 44/36/86). The problem is that Herro takes too many low % 2s and too few 3s or FTs. Part of that is Herro still needing to develop his offensive IQ and FT drawing skills, and part of it is his role within the offense as an "instant offense" guy who just comes in and shoots rather than "feature" guy who has the system designed around getting him into his best spots and hunting favorable matchups. He probably wasn't ready to be that feature guy this season, but hopefully he can take that step next season

I really think there has been talks in meetings and the locker room about this.


In years past when the shot clock was running out, it was dump the ball to Herro he wants to shoot it. My uneducated random observation is that Lowery has taken more of those. Same with the end of the qtr half court shots.


We still see Herro jack up quick 3s on the 2 for ones, and we still see bad shot selection, but it does seem more under control.


I personally dont mind that Herro tends to Mimic Dragic with the probing dribble layup game, or midrange shoot game, but I hate the dribble the ball around and take a dumb shot to beat the shot clock. Both Herro and Jimmy seem to do it too often I think. I would much rather the team spam the strong side dribble hand off or pick and roll to death if they want to work from the outside in. At least that shows a plan.

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That’s weird. It had seemed they were disagreeing about this so I guess Morris went through the NBA and NBPA to get cleared. If this is the case he may be active but I don’t see how that would help him actually get in the games. I guess we’ll know in an hour or so if that’s the case

Could be a legality thing. To protect themselves

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[twix2500]

I agree. Last year people were saying that Herro reached his ceiling and he blew the roof off of it this year. We really don't know how good he can be. Next year he can take a jump and score 25 PPG which will put him right in that Donovan Mitchell and Bradley Beal conversation. He is already pretty clutch, so he can really be our best scorer and closer in a season or 2. Keep him and see what we have as he continues to grow. He is still years away from his prime. I wouldn't trade him unless its for a young superstar.

Hilarious to me when people try to say guys under the age of 28 have reached their ceiling.

Tyler's only 22.

He is 24, you have to remember the room rules. We say players are 2 years older than their actual age.

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[BenoUdrihFTL]

Herro up to 55.4% TS, decimal percentage points off the league avg of 56.2%. Herro is a bucket who produces 21 ppg tho, quite a bit above league avg, so he's a much-needed component of our offense providing self-created volume scoring on average efficiency that's trending up. This is gonna be a big playoffs for the 22yo

Fellow 20+ ppg scorers with similar or lower efficiency than Herro:

Jayson Tatum 56.4
Jaylen Brown 56.2
Luka Doncic 55.9
Pascal Siakam 55.4
Brandon Ingram 55.2
De'Aron Fox 55.0
Anthony Edwards 55.0
Shai Gilegous-Alexander 54.7
Bradley Beal 53.9
Dejounte Murray 52.6
Julius Randle 51.7

[somerandomdude]

He'll probably miss every FT from here on out, but Herro has made 33 of 34 FTAs since putting up two stinkers

[somerandomdude]

With Markieff back, this is an opportunity to rest PJ. We may lose some games without him, but I don't think we need to win much to keep the #1 seed.

In hindsight, with the end result being a loss, last night's game (B2B) would've been a good game to rest him.

It's a shame that Spo never made a commitment to 2 Big lineups because we could run Bam+Dedmon or even Bam+Yurtz.

Listed as questionable due to knee soreness until shortly before Saturday’s tip-off, 36-year-old power forward P.J. Tucker started and pushed through both ends of the back-to-back set that opened with Friday night’s home victory over the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Heat coach Erik Spoelstra, though, hinted it might soon be time for some load management in advance of the playoffs.

“He’s a warrior. He’s so tough,” Spoelstra said. “I’m just going to have to constantly communicate with him and monitor him and make sure that he’s fresh for when it really matters.”

[Tony15]

^Spo hasn't run it often, but the Bam/Yurt experiment seemed like it was going well. Not saying we should run steady dose of it in the playoffs, but for the sake giving PJ a break at the 4, it's well worth it imo.

[somerandomdude]

^Spo hasn't run it often, but the Bam/Yurt experiment seemed like it was going well. Not saying we should run steady dose of it in the playoffs, but for the sake giving PJ a break at the 4, it's well worth it imo.

Yeah, that's just Spo's philosophy. Spo would rather play 4 guard lineups than a 2 big lineup. I also think he has a confirmation bias because he blames Yurtz for things that aren't even his fault. Here's an example I posted a while ago.

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1st clip: Gabe drives into a pack of defenders and refuses to give it up to Yurtz who's right next to him, resulting in a turnover.

2nd clip pt1: Strus had a clear path to make a bounce pass to Bam. Instead, he tries to force it over the top, resulting in a turnover.

2nd clip pt2: Strus is in the paint and decides to abandon it to join Duncan and Bam in closing out on the 3pt shooter, leaving Yurtz having to defend both Dragic and Drummond.

Naturally, this is all Yurtz' fault, so he gets benched.

^ I'm also pretty sure that this is the only game where Spo has switched starting lineups at the half. He could've / should've done the same against the Wolves last night, but was happy to let that lineup ride, which probably cost us the game.

One last thing, last time we played the Cs, the Bam+Dedmon / Bam+Yurtz two big lineup helped erase a 15pt deficit created by the starters. He did not change starting lineups at the half and we dug ourselves into a hole again. We lost that game by about 20.

Like I've said before, with Spo, he's either going to win his way or not at all. A great coach, but too committed to his beliefs and unwilling to adjust.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I agree. Last year people were saying that Herro reached his ceiling and he blew the roof off of it this year. We really don't know how good he can be. Next year he can take a jump and score 25 PPG which will put him right in that Donovan Mitchell and Bradley Beal conversation. He is already pretty clutch, so he can really be our best scorer and closer in a season or 2. Keep him and see what we have as he continues to grow. He is still years away from his prime. I wouldn't trade him unless its for a young superstar.

Hilarious to me when people try to say guys under the age of 28 have reached their ceiling.

Tyler's only 22.

Yep

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam/Yurt has not looked good guys lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam shot 2-3 in the 2nd half last night, least attempts on the team. 0 in the 4th I believe. That was after a dominant 2 headed attack in the 1st half with Tyler that helped build us a huge lead. That’s just unacceptable. Finished 7-12 on the night and clamped towns. Should’ve had a much bigger game.

Why Spo went away from that and just relied on chucking 3s we couldn’t hit is beyond me. Spo should be fined any game or at least loss that Bam doesn’t get 16-18 shot attempts. He has a mismatch 95% of the time.

[Hallstar]

Bam shot 2-3 in the 2nd half last night, least attempts on the team. 0 in the 4th I believe. That was after a dominant 2 headed attack in the 1st half with Tyler that helped build us a huge lead. That’s just unacceptable. Finished 7-12 on the night and clamped towns. Should’ve had a much bigger game.

Why Spo went away from that and just relied on chucking 3s we couldn’t hit is beyond me. Spo should be fined any game or at least loss that Bam doesn’t get 16-18 shot attempts. He has a mismatch 95% of the time.

Bam was out there with Lowry as the only other threat for long stretches. He's not gonna get open a lot under those circumstances