2025 Offseason Thread Vol.4

[Lennyzinho]

This isn't an issue. I found this on the Athletic:

"With Lillard owed $54.1 million for this coming season and $58.4 million in the 2026-27 campaign, there is a salary offset for any team that acquires him during that two-year period. And while the Bucks would surely prefer that Lillard sign for a significant salary as a way to alleviate some of their financial burden, the reality is that he could sign for a minimum-salary deal and still be paid the same amount."

Not just that, why wouldn't he want the team that cut him to foot the whole bill?

Yep, there is zero incentive for Dame or his next team to pay him anything more than the minimum.

Bucks are paying 22.5M for five years. This year, 100% minimum deal. Teams are ofc gonna want him to sign a 2-3 year minimum deal but... lets say he does just a 1 year deal. And word is hes looking good in practice toward end of season. And offseason lots of teams will have money unlike this year. Will dame prioritize getting a last 2-60M type contract? Which means bucks pay nothing those two years. And hes making a total of 16M more. And then he goes back to minimum and making 22.5 from bucks years 4-5. Or maybe hes not even in nba year 5 but still collecting. Its really up to dame if he wants to chase the money and if someone will pay him 30-35M a year. Obviously its either minimum or 25M and up type offers.

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[RexBoyWonder]

So with our whale move now over and Simone Geppetto on board,

Is this a good time to start the annual predication thread?

Could get Spicy lol

[dshearn]

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I am glad we all got to share his ups and downs on the Heat...he had a good run here as true blue Miami Heat success story, the best part is he even helped the team out on the way out the door.

[NightWatch]

I don't understand why heat is interested in Jonathan Kuminga? Do heat view him as an asset as a trade chip in the future?

[RexBoyWonder]

I posted it a year ago and someone brought it up recently. In 3 seasons Bam is the only guy on the books and he will be 30. When I first brought it up 2-3 seasons ago it was before Ware was drafted. Now Ware is on the books same year. Bam and Ware $59 million going in to 27 season. That's flexibility.

A lot can happen between now and then, but the Heat aren't in deep with a bunch of bad contracts on the books at this point. Even going in to 26 offseason isn't horrible if they can get out of Wiggins deal. And it's a player option so likely he'd opt out for a longer deal with more years somewhere.

I don't think Heat can land a Luka or Giannis, but maybe they can land 1-2 other guys who can turn in to those type of players. Add that to Bam, Herro, and an aging vet (Dame?) and suddenly you have a team.

We can only hope....

The players that hit free agency are the PG-13 of the league. Star get paid then demand a trade. The game has changed unfortunately.

It's truly baffling - Why are people excited about having cap space like it's 1998?!?

When was the last time a superstar signed into cap space???
Cap space is ONLY useful if we're going to take on bad contracted attached with sweetener, but that's a rebuilding move we NEVER make, and it has nothing to do with getting "stars".

THAT CAP SPACE FOR STARS ERA IS GONE, CAP SPACE IS MEANINGLESS BECAUSE ALL STAR PLAYERS NEVER HIT FREE AGENCY, THEY ALL EXTEND AND THEN GET TRADED

[RexBoyWonder]

So with our whale move now over and Simone Geppetto on board,

Is this a good time to start the annual predication thread?

Could get Spicy lol

It's up
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Should we be scared?

I've already broken my screen in advance

[RexBoyWonder]

Don't love Derozan's game, but get Wiggins and Rozier off this team and you won't get a mumble out of me

The big thing for me is DeRozan can really score the ball, and Miami desperately needs someone other than Herro who can get his own offense and create for others.

The ONLY good thing about getting DeRozen is that once we get him - we can't get him again.

It's like fearing the worst failure you can have, and then actually failing. Once the worst thing have already happen, it comes with a certain relief - at least you know it already happened and you need not dread it anymore.

Fine, bring him in. I've been waiting for years.

[Hallstar]

Not just that, why wouldn't he want the team that cut him to foot the whole bill?

Yep, there is zero incentive for Dame or his next team to pay him anything more than the minimum.

Bucks are paying 22.5M for five years. This year, 100% minimum deal. Teams are ofc gonna want him to sign a 2-3 year minimum deal but... lets say he does just a 1 year deal. And word is hes looking good in practice toward end of season. And offseason lots of teams will have money unlike this year. Will dame prioritize getting a last 2-60M type contract? Which means bucks pay nothing those two years. And hes making a total of 16M more. And then he goes back to minimum and making 22.5 from bucks years 4-5. Or maybe hes not even in nba year 5 but still collecting. Its really up to dame if he wants to chase the money and if someone will pay him 30-35M a year. Obviously its either minimum or 25M and up type offers.

He's vet min til he retires at this point. Maybe MLE

[Hallstar]

Only thing I want from Sac is Keegan Murray

[RexBoyWonder]

I don't understand why heat is interested in Jonathan Kuminga? Do heat view him as an asset as a trade chip in the future?

He's 22 YO, super athletic and has a FT rate of a future star (huge need for us and hugely important for any scorer).

The reason is the upside.

[contract]

I swear this must have always been the plan since before Duncan opted out. They agreed to do this and stuck to the plan. Can’t admit otherwise since that would mean some sort of colluding.

For what? We just replaced Duncan's salary with the new guy's salary.

3 options.

A. Have a player on a 19.8M expiring deal
B. Have 9.8M in dead money
C. Have a player on an 8M expiring deal


Org chose C.

No.

A. Duncan opts out of his contract and we have $0 on our cap
B. We sign & trade him for a guy making $8 million and change

We chose B. We now have one more overpaid player on our roster for no reason whatsoever.

[contract]

Bummer no second for Duncan.

Maybe we can trade the stiff we just got for a 2nd round pick.

[contract]

The issue with Lillard is he will probably be better of waiting.

Only the Nets have actual cap space right now. Otherwise, he's limited to exceptions and minimums. And while he is being paid by Milwaukee, he hasn't shown he will take anything less than the maximum he is allowed. Not saying that against him. A lot of players think that way.

I see him waiting and making sure he gets another fat pay day.

Lillard is better off waiting because you never know what kind of shape a team will be in in 12 months. Hell the Pacers went from contender to roadkill in less than 12 days.

[contract]

Not just that, why wouldn't he want the team that cut him to foot the whole bill?

Yep, there is zero incentive for Dame or his next team to pay him anything more than the minimum.

Bucks are paying 22.5M for five years. This year, 100% minimum deal. Teams are ofc gonna want him to sign a 2-3 year minimum deal but... lets say he does just a 1 year deal. And word is hes looking good in practice toward end of season. And offseason lots of teams will have money unlike this year. Will dame prioritize getting a last 2-60M type contract? Which means bucks pay nothing those two years. And hes making a total of 16M more. And then he goes back to minimum and making 22.5 from bucks years 4-5. Or maybe hes not even in nba year 5 but still collecting. Its really up to dame if he wants to chase the money and if someone will pay him 30-35M a year. Obviously its either minimum or 25M and up type offers.

No, that's just a salary cap thing. Dame is getting paid the same as if he was playing.

$54,126,450 this coming season
$58,456,566 next season

The offsets would be against those numbers.

[contract]

I don't understand why heat is interested in Jonathan Kuminga? Do heat view him as an asset as a trade chip in the future?

Because we desperately want to avoid lottery picks. Nothing good ever comes from those.

[HeatingUp3]

Even the knicks got wayyy better.

[Shootit]

To me, I'm fine with a "down" year if we can properly use our young guys to see who can be part of the core/rotation.
Not a fan of adding some of the vets being mentioned, adding more term/cap for another treadmill team.

See what we got, or don't got and see what 2026 brings.

Jovic, Larsson, Mitchell, Ware, Jaquez, hell even Herro with a full offseason of no Butler drama.
I think with Jaquez, he hit that 2nd year slump, and well, it takes an offseason to figure out what went wrong and how to address it. I think he has the drive to figure it out and contribute this season.

[marson]

Our legit scouts know the players on their radar since high school - their work ethic, attitude, and skill set. So they must see something in Kuminga that we casual fans might not fully recognize.

They probably view him as a low-risk, high-reward project. He's incredibly athletic and could develop well under our coaching staff with the right fundamental training.

Personally, I'm intrigued and open to a reasonable deal. We lack a POA attacker who can pressure the paint outside of Herro, and Kuminga could definitely help fill that gap.