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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 1 

Post#1481 » by Hallstar » Tue Jan 4, 2022 8:48 pm

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al bondiga wrote:Be patient guys with Herro he is just typical assassin who starts of far from his victims... a sharpshooter ... could use of better Coach, I agree, but spo is so fine for now.
Just try not to lose him or half him develop bad habits
Herro is not the first choice, but doesn't have to be ...this is a team sport and one man has never done the trick, NEVER
herro should be used as a spot up shooter let the dribbling to others

Then trade him. We always act like we have vast talent when we're always just scraping the next garbage heap. It's fool's gold
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Post#1482 » by AirP. » Tue Jan 4, 2022 9:33 pm

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Post#1483 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jan 4, 2022 10:04 pm

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al bondiga wrote:Be patient guys with Herro he is just typical assassin who starts of far from his victims... a sharpshooter ... could use of better Coach, I agree, but spo is so fine for now.
Just try not to lose him or half him develop bad habits
Herro is not the first choice, but doesn't have to be ...this is a team sport and one man has never done the trick, NEVER
herro should be used as a spot up shooter let the dribbling to others

Then trade him. We always act like we have vast talent when we're always just scraping the next garbage heap. It's fool's gold


If an all star becomes available that Pat believes wins us the championship then sure. If not keep him and keep developing him and hope he can start to have a positive impact on the team as he gets older
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Post#1484 » by AirP. » Tue Jan 4, 2022 10:21 pm

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Post#1485 » by Wiltside » Tue Jan 4, 2022 10:49 pm

Best case scenario with Jimmy. Phew.

Herro is a curious one. At this stage in his development, he’s better placed as an instant offense 6th man. He’s been awesome in that role, but seems to struggle when placed as a starter so far.

Bottom line is, he’s a jump shooter who takes tough shots and doesn’t get to the line much. That means some days are going to be inefficient, but we still need a guy with that kind of conscience - particularly when Jimmy, Bam and Kyle can all be very deferential.
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Post#1486 » by 3ballbomber » Wed Jan 5, 2022 4:10 am

Wiltside wrote:Best case scenario with Jimmy. Phew.

Herro is a curious one. At this stage in his development, he’s better placed as an instant offense 6th man. He’s been awesome in that role, but seems to struggle when placed as a starter so far.

Bottom line is, he’s a jump shooter who takes tough shots and doesn’t get to the line much. That means some days are going to be inefficient, but we still need a guy with that kind of conscience - particularly when Jimmy, Bam and Kyle can all be very deferential.

I'm not sure all the Herro criticism & trade talk. Youngen's made a significant leap in only his 3rd season & has yet to reach his ceiling. I remember when cats here wanted to include him in a package for Lowry :crazy: Appreciate what you have, the kid is only going to continue to get better. He's still learning the ropes & blossoming before our eyes w/ Heat across his chest.
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Post#1487 » by gom » Wed Jan 5, 2022 5:20 am

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AirP. wrote: Just knowing Miami seems to be able to find players who can contribute should have this whole fanbase being good with packaging multiple non top tier talent and draft picks to acquire top tier talent which is why I was good with acquiring Harden for most of the players on the team(or trading them for draft picks to trade to Houston).


I hated the idea of trading for Harden, but that is a hell of a point...

If Miami can just farm up a bench from thin air, the idea of losing Duncan, Herro and a slew of firsts seems comical with the Current versions of Gabe,Strus,Martin and hell even Guy is looking legit.


I agree we've done well, but I don't think it's smart to rely on our success with undrafted players. It's not from "thin air" either. We have good scouts and our coaching is also excellent.
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Post#1488 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Jan 5, 2022 11:10 am

dshearn wrote:
AirP. wrote: Just knowing Miami seems to be able to find players who can contribute should have this whole fanbase being good with packaging multiple non top tier talent and draft picks to acquire top tier talent which is why I was good with acquiring Harden for most of the players on the team(or trading them for draft picks to trade to Houston).


I hated the idea of trading for Harden, but that is a hell of a point...

If Miami can just farm up a bench from thin air, the idea of loosing Duncan, Herro and a slew of firsts seems comical with the Current versions of Gabe,Strus,Martin and hell even Guy is looking legit.


Basically you have to think strategically that with our development pipe line working smoothly and with the new found depth of the Martin/Strus/Gabe/Omer and maybe Guy/Dipo - a consolidation trade is in order.

Right now it feels we're lacking in elite star talent but we we're overcrowded with capable depth.
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Post#1489 » by puppa bear » Wed Jan 5, 2022 11:22 am

RexBoyWonder wrote:
dshearn wrote:
AirP. wrote: Just knowing Miami seems to be able to find players who can contribute should have this whole fanbase being good with packaging multiple non top tier talent and draft picks to acquire top tier talent which is why I was good with acquiring Harden for most of the players on the team(or trading them for draft picks to trade to Houston).


I hated the idea of trading for Harden, but that is a hell of a point...

If Miami can just farm up a bench from thin air, the idea of loosing Duncan, Herro and a slew of firsts seems comical with the Current versions of Gabe,Strus,Martin and hell even Guy is looking legit.


Basically you have to think strategically that with our development pipe line working smoothly and with the new found depth of the Martin/Strus/Gabe/Omer and maybe Guy/Dipo - a consolidation trade is in order.

Right now it feels we're lacking in elite star talent but we we're overcrowded with capable depth.

I feel you. But before we do anything we need to get our picks in line. Without having access to multiple first we aren’t getting that elite talent!

OKC have signalled that their open to doing business for basically cash. Surely we can send them cash to get that pick unprotected - it’s going to convey next year anyway, so why not get a little something for nothing for it?
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Post#1490 » by gom » Wed Jan 5, 2022 4:27 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
dshearn wrote:
AirP. wrote: Just knowing Miami seems to be able to find players who can contribute should have this whole fanbase being good with packaging multiple non top tier talent and draft picks to acquire top tier talent which is why I was good with acquiring Harden for most of the players on the team(or trading them for draft picks to trade to Houston).


I hated the idea of trading for Harden, but that is a hell of a point...

If Miami can just farm up a bench from thin air, the idea of loosing Duncan, Herro and a slew of firsts seems comical with the Current versions of Gabe,Strus,Martin and hell even Guy is looking legit.


Basically you have to think strategically that with our development pipe line working smoothly and with the new found depth of the Martin/Strus/Gabe/Omer and maybe Guy/Dipo - a consolidation trade is in order.

Right now it feels we're lacking in elite star talent but we we're overcrowded with capable depth.


I'm confused. If you add the salaries of Martin + Strus + Gabe + Omer + Guy + Dipo, you get about $6.5m. Who can you get for that price that would give you the same production? Guy isn't even one of our players past the 10-day. He's just a rental. Another team can offer him a min deal at any time.
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Post#1491 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Jan 5, 2022 4:28 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
dshearn wrote:
AirP. wrote: Just knowing Miami seems to be able to find players who can contribute should have this whole fanbase being good with packaging multiple non top tier talent and draft picks to acquire top tier talent which is why I was good with acquiring Harden for most of the players on the team(or trading them for draft picks to trade to Houston).


I hated the idea of trading for Harden, but that is a hell of a point...

If Miami can just farm up a bench from thin air, the idea of loosing Duncan, Herro and a slew of firsts seems comical with the Current versions of Gabe,Strus,Martin and hell even Guy is looking legit.


Basically you have to think strategically that with our development pipe line working smoothly and with the new found depth of the Martin/Strus/Gabe/Omer and maybe Guy/Dipo - a consolidation trade is in order.

Right now it feels we're lacking in elite star talent but we we're overcrowded with capable depth.


Jimmy is an elite star in every aspect, injuries are just screwing him and the team right now. Bam can take that step but I’m all for adding more talent
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Post#1492 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Jan 5, 2022 4:32 pm

gom wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:
dshearn wrote:
I hated the idea of trading for Harden, but that is a hell of a point...

If Miami can just farm up a bench from thin air, the idea of loosing Duncan, Herro and a slew of firsts seems comical with the Current versions of Gabe,Strus,Martin and hell even Guy is looking legit.


Basically you have to think strategically that with our development pipe line working smoothly and with the new found depth of the Martin/Strus/Gabe/Omer and maybe Guy/Dipo - a consolidation trade is in order.

Right now it feels we're lacking in elite star talent but we we're overcrowded with capable depth.


I'm confused. If you add the salaries of Martin + Strus + Gabe + Omer + Guy + Dipo, you get about $6.5m. Who can you get for that price that would give you the same production? Guy isn't even one of our players past the 10-day. He's just a rental. Another team can offer him a min deal at any time.


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Post#1493 » by gom » Wed Jan 5, 2022 5:39 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
gom wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:
Basically you have to think strategically that with our development pipe line working smoothly and with the new found depth of the Martin/Strus/Gabe/Omer and maybe Guy/Dipo - a consolidation trade is in order.

Right now it feels we're lacking in elite star talent but we we're overcrowded with capable depth.


I'm confused. If you add the salaries of Martin + Strus + Gabe + Omer + Guy + Dipo, you get about $6.5m. Who can you get for that price that would give you the same production? Guy isn't even one of our players past the 10-day. He's just a rental. Another team can offer him a min deal at any time.


See ya later Duncan lol!


You might laugh but Robinson is an elite shooter signed on a long-term controlled-cost deal. MANY teams would trade for him. I just don't know who we should target, and mostly that's because of Lowry, who I really, really like. Besides Morris (LAL) & Haslem, isn't he the only one on the team with a ring? Anyway, if we did not have Lowry, I would target someone like Gilgeous-Alexander and start working on Bam's core.
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Post#1494 » by AirP. » Wed Jan 5, 2022 6:40 pm

gom wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
gom wrote:
I'm confused. If you add the salaries of Martin + Strus + Gabe + Omer + Guy + Dipo, you get about $6.5m. Who can you get for that price that would give you the same production? Guy isn't even one of our players past the 10-day. He's just a rental. Another team can offer him a min deal at any time.


See ya later Duncan lol!


You might laugh but Robinson is an elite shooter signed on a long-term controlled-cost deal. MANY teams would trade for him. I just don't know who we should target, and mostly that's because of Lowry, who I really, really like. Besides Morris (LAL) & Haslem, isn't he the only one on the team with a ring? Anyway, if we did not have Lowry, I would target someone like Gilgeous-Alexander and start working on Bam's core.


I'll say the same thing I said last year, I would like to see a 2 week stretch of Strus replacing Robinson with the regular starters and see how big of a difference there would be. I've got no problem saying Duncan's a great 3pt shooter, but given the role and the freedom Duncan has as the 3rd or 4th option and have plays ran towards his strengths I think MANY players who can shoot 3s would have great success in that role and Miami happens to have one of those types on the team named Strus. Strus was an incredible find for a 3pt shooting roleplayer in this current era of basketball.

If Miami can package Robinson for a high level player for this team, it needs to be done once he's eligible to be moved(maybe 1 1/2 weeks away). Looking towards next year with Oladipo back, Herro a year away from being paid, Strus on the last year of his current contract, Martin doing very good things for this team and being a FA and who knows, possibly Guy sticking on the roster, things are going to have to change and it's going to be hard as hell to justify Robinson as a starter... and his contract.

Moving Robinson and others just get some flexibility this season could lead to being able to sign C.Martin and someone like Guy to small 3 year contracts(counting this current season) instead of losing them for nothing in the off season. Guy may be a flash in the pan but at least he's showing the ability to hit 3s and make plays which I'm good with gambling a small contract with. Get enough solid bench guys and Miami could end up moving the rights of whoever they draft this summer in a bigger trade.

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Post#1495 » by marson » Wed Jan 5, 2022 10:53 pm

Hawks are on a fire sale.

Cam Reddish and Duncan Robinson/KZ swap. Cam would flourish here.
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Post#1496 » by gom » Thu Jan 6, 2022 12:24 am

Cam Reddish would be excellent. Unfortunately they already have Bogi in N Robinson's role.

With regards to AirP.'s argument, I mostly don't see why Miami has to give up anyone. Not for a while at any rate. We are playing a long game here, getting the best placement fo the playoffs as possible. Things will get much better for us when Bam is back. Frankly, I'm excited.

Oh... forgot my point. Sorry. I meant to say that I don't see a need to choose either or with Strus and Robinson. I want to sign Strus too. I believe he is in the same situation as Tyler Johnson though. Early bird rights, because he also played one season with the Bulls. I can see both Strus and Vincent (I am serious) as valuable playoff pieces. Their play has been outstanding and together they have been vital in Miami's 10-5 December record. When they get back we'll be better.

Strategically, I'd like to see us get Strus and Vincent on deals like Winslow and Robinson had a while back. They would be excellent trade assets as well. For Caleb Vincent, Miami has $2.5m of its midlevel exception (as long as salaries are below $143m. Miami can sign him into the buffer between the end of the season expenditure and the luxury tax line: 143,002,000. How much is that?

Well, $436,554. That's it. You can see right here. Current luxury tax space:

Source: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/miami-heat/cap/

$436,554

That is 3 weeks of NBA salary (at minimum deal). We have his rights because he is our 2-way player and his deal can be automatically converted to a minimum nba contract.

I would argue our best idea is to sign him into a 3-year mid-level exception, which pays about $2.5m per season (compared to 1,701,593, which is his minimum salary). The Heat have the roster space of course once they sign Caleb Martin to the principal team, they can sign Kyle Guy into an open 2-way deal. That would also gives Miami restricted rights in the offseason. That's very clever, and it gives Caleb Martin some security to grow too. I'm one of the Caleb Martin votes in BBallFreak's poll.

Anyway, to do the math. The number of days is like this:

$1700000/177 is the per day rate of Caleb's minimum salary: 9604.52. The Heat have 436554. So: 45 days of the 177 the league is based on.

Using 2.5: 14124 per day. So nearly 31 days. The small difference in flexibility is worth it, but in that window another team could actually the same sort of deal to Guy.

Here is how the Calendar works:

cbafaq wrote:Players are paid on 1st and 15th of each month, beginning November 15. The default is 24 paychecks paid over one calendar year.


That is 48 weeks = 7 * 48 = 316, not 177. Hmmm. I think it has to do with the salary only counting around Jan 10. Am I imagining this uh stuff?

cbafaq wrote:Teams and players whose salaries are over the minimum salary can agree to a 12-check or 36-check schedule, paid over six months or 18 months, respectively. Two-Way players (see question number 82) are paid on a 24-check schedule over one calendar year.


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Post#1497 » by gom » Thu Jan 6, 2022 12:56 am

Honestly by then I think we've made some changes. Organic growth is great but we have a problem sometimes scoring anyhow. I agree that our trade deadline will be interesting. I can see parts of the team getting an upgrade. The amount available could naturally change.
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Post#1498 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Jan 6, 2022 1:51 am

Hawks want a 1st for reddish I saw a month or so ago. I’ll gladly do that, they’re wasting him. Dude will be an absolute stud if he gets the right opportunity
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Post#1499 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Jan 6, 2022 1:51 am

Reddish has high level star potential
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Post#1500 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Jan 6, 2022 5:51 am

Strus in 4 starts: 21-5-2

Strus over his last 6: 23-6-2
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