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Post#1481 » by SerialChiller » Sat Sep 6, 2025 12:15 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:“Well, I think you can just look at at last season... If Minnesota has herro you win the title ...same wth New York”

“I I want to clarify my views from before... I almost sure that if new york has herro As a third wheel besides Brunson and Towns... They Become champs last season... I even think they have the beginnings of a small dynasty.”

“xplaining color to blind men is not something I plan on doing anymore this offseason. If they can't understand what they watched last season so be it, but we would have been in the 20s without Herro.”

“Just leaving this post as a placeholder so I can look like nostradamus in 2 years, or be totally forgotten, but Tyler Herro (I do legitimately think he has Curry-esque potential as a shooter and with the right narrative who knows).”

“And even with Durant, Herro would still be the team’s primary offensive initiator.”

“Herro is a more effective offensive engine than Durant”

“Tyler was supposed to be just another low IQ chucker and he basically got near Mitchell's level this year.”

“Comparing him to Lavine feels disrespectful if you watch both guys play”

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Post#1482 » by lastb1ckman » Sat Sep 6, 2025 12:39 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Vertical Limit wrote:Just feel the need to throw this out there…

Evan Mobley is the reigning DPOY, 2 time all defensive team, all nba second team.

I never mention all star because all star is meaningless in this era.

Whereas Ty Jerome is a bonafide scrub, currently on his fifth team in six years (7 if you count the g league teams in between)


We don’t need to provide the CONTEXT that Bam was going up against 2 all star bigs who play next to elite playmakers and Herro was matched up with NBA journeymen; we only use context FOR Herro not against!


Yeah if Bam had a Jarrett Allen level big next to him, things would be different. And even then, that team was just super good and Bam had a down first half. I still would say Bam is better than Mobley. If he continues his play late in the season and Ware takes a step, the rest of the league will see again. Bam isss the temple for Mobley anyways. A career year for Mobley was only a bit better than a down a Bam year.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#1483 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Sep 6, 2025 12:52 am

lastb1ckman wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Vertical Limit wrote:Just feel the need to throw this out there…

Evan Mobley is the reigning DPOY, 2 time all defensive team, all nba second team.

I never mention all star because all star is meaningless in this era.

Whereas Ty Jerome is a bonafide scrub, currently on his fifth team in six years (7 if you count the g league teams in between)


We don’t need to provide the CONTEXT that Bam was going up against 2 all star bigs who play next to elite playmakers and Herro was matched up with NBA journeymen; we only use context FOR Herro not against!


Yeah if Bam had a Jarrett Allen level big next to him, things would be different. And even then, that team was just super good and Bam had a down first half. I still would say Bam is better than Mobley. If he continues his play late in the season and Ware takes a step, the rest of the league will see again. Bam isss the temple for Mobley anyways. A career year for Mobley was only a bit better than a down a Bam year.


Exactly, Mobley himself said he looks up to Bam and studies his game.
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Post#1484 » by lastb1ckman » Sat Sep 6, 2025 12:56 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
We don’t need to provide the CONTEXT that Bam was going up against 2 all star bigs who play next to elite playmakers and Herro was matched up with NBA journeymen; we only use context FOR Herro not against!


Yeah if Bam had a Jarrett Allen level big next to him, things would be different. And even then, that team was just super good and Bam had a down first half. I still would say Bam is better than Mobley. If he continues his play late in the season and Ware takes a step, the rest of the league will see again. Bam isss the temple for Mobley anyways. A career year for Mobley was only a bit better than a down a Bam year.


Exactly, Mobley himself said he looks up to Bam and studies his game.


I do hope they lean on Bam as an offensive hub next season. Think Warriors lite, with Herro and Powell running around and playing the Steph and Klay role. Same with Wiggins and Jovic running off ball a lot.
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Post#1485 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Sep 6, 2025 1:48 am

lastb1ckman wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:
Yeah if Bam had a Jarrett Allen level big next to him, things would be different. And even then, that team was just super good and Bam had a down first half. I still would say Bam is better than Mobley. If he continues his play late in the season and Ware takes a step, the rest of the league will see again. Bam isss the temple for Mobley anyways. A career year for Mobley was only a bit better than a down a Bam year.


Exactly, Mobley himself said he looks up to Bam and studies his game.


I do hope they lean on Bam as an offensive hub next season. Think Warriors lite, with Herro and Powell running around and playing the Steph and Klay role. Same with Wiggins and Jovic running off ball a lot.


The closer we get to the season the more optimistic I get for the team but I’m likely setting myself up for disappointment.

As for Bam offensively, unfortunately I’m getting major 4th option vibes with him being the main hub running guys off screens, DHOs, etc. it’s the best way to free our perimeter guys up. We’ll see though, I hope I’m wrong and it’s a nice mix, Herro and Bam need to lead in shot attempts and usage, 16+ shots a piece, everyone else fall in line after that behind Powell
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Post#1486 » by lastb1ckman » Sat Sep 6, 2025 2:46 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Exactly, Mobley himself said he looks up to Bam and studies his game.


I do hope they lean on Bam as an offensive hub next season. Think Warriors lite, with Herro and Powell running around and playing the Steph and Klay role. Same with Wiggins and Jovic running off ball a lot.


The closer we get to the season the more optimistic I get for the team but I’m likely setting myself up for disappointment.

As for Bam offensively, unfortunately I’m getting major 4th option vibes with him being the main hub running guys off screens, DHOs, etc. it’s the best way to free our perimeter guys up. We’ll see though, I hope I’m wrong and it’s a nice mix, Herro and Bam need to lead in shot attempts and usage, 16+ shots a piece, everyone else fall in line after that behind Powell


Idk im hoping Bam puts up a career high with assists. Like 6+ a game. He'll have 3 or 4 plus shooters around him at all times, with no elite playmaking guards/wings. Swing that rock Bam, and attack the paint and midrange when the others are double teamed or closed out on. Id rather that, then the first option being him iso
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Post#1487 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Sep 6, 2025 3:53 am

lastb1ckman wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:
I do hope they lean on Bam as an offensive hub next season. Think Warriors lite, with Herro and Powell running around and playing the Steph and Klay role. Same with Wiggins and Jovic running off ball a lot.


The closer we get to the season the more optimistic I get for the team but I’m likely setting myself up for disappointment.

As for Bam offensively, unfortunately I’m getting major 4th option vibes with him being the main hub running guys off screens, DHOs, etc. it’s the best way to free our perimeter guys up. We’ll see though, I hope I’m wrong and it’s a nice mix, Herro and Bam need to lead in shot attempts and usage, 16+ shots a piece, everyone else fall in line after that behind Powell


Idk im hoping Bam puts up a career high with assists. Like 6+ a game. He'll have 3 or 4 plus shooters around him at all times, with no elite playmaking guards/wings. Swing that rock Bam, and attack the paint and midrange when the others are double teamed or closed out on. Id rather that, then the first option being him iso


18 points, 9 rebounds, and 5 assists is probably near the line we’re getting give or take. Could see assists jumping like you mentioned, points Im probably being optimistic based on thinking Herro Powell and Wiggins will all have a score first mentality and 8-9 rebounds a night seems like a safe bet with Ware starting a full season next to him. Bam now doesn’t have to deter in the paint, then chase down out to the perimeter and then crash in for the rebound every play, Ware is down there to snag the board and Bam with everyone else can leak out and get the fast break going
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Post#1488 » by Kobewade11 » Sat Sep 6, 2025 11:30 am

Hats off to Micky, empowered the right people and helped make this franchise relevant. A staple in South Florida sports history and now the HOF



On the eve of his induction into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, Heat owner Micky Arison said Friday that this honor was never a goal when he purchased majority interest in the team 30 years ago. “I would just say I’m appreciative,” Arison said during a brief media session in Springfield, Massachusetts, on Friday. “It is an honor... It was never a goal. Our goal was to win championships. Was fortunate enough to win three. Our goal was to create a fantastic atmosphere in Miami. Most great NBA players, coaches it’s a goal for them. It’s never been a goal for me. Despite that, I’m extremely appreciative.”

Arison, who was elected to the Hall of Fame in his first year as a finalist, will be joined on stage by Heat president Pat Riley and Heat legends Alonzo Mourning and Dwyane Wade. As presenters, Riley, Mourning and Wade do not have speaking roles. “They were three key elements to our history for 30 years,” Arison said. “Pat was with me almost from the the very beginning. Zo [was acquired] the first year. From there the culture was created. Dwyane Wade helped take it to the top. Obviously the greatest player in Heat history; [he has] a statue on the top steps [of Kaseya Center]. I’m glad those three will be with me.”

Arison, who doesn’t relish being in the public eye like some owners do, has not spoken on the record to Heat reporters since 2013 and declined interviews with the Miami Herald and South Florida Sun Sentinel, preferring to keep the honor low-key

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Post#1489 » by marson » Sat Sep 6, 2025 11:32 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
The closer we get to the season the more optimistic I get for the team but I’m likely setting myself up for disappointment.

As for Bam offensively, unfortunately I’m getting major 4th option vibes with him being the main hub running guys off screens, DHOs, etc. it’s the best way to free our perimeter guys up. We’ll see though, I hope I’m wrong and it’s a nice mix, Herro and Bam need to lead in shot attempts and usage, 16+ shots a piece, everyone else fall in line after that behind Powell


Idk im hoping Bam puts up a career high with assists. Like 6+ a game. He'll have 3 or 4 plus shooters around him at all times, with no elite playmaking guards/wings. Swing that rock Bam, and attack the paint and midrange when the others are double teamed or closed out on. Id rather that, then the first option being him iso


18 points, 9 rebounds, and 5 assists is probably near the line we’re getting give or take. Could see assists jumping like you mentioned, points Im probably being optimistic based on thinking Herro Powell and Wiggins will all have a score first mentality and 8-9 rebounds a night seems like a safe bet with Ware starting a full season next to him. Bam now doesn’t have to deter in the paint, then chase down out to the perimeter and then crash in for the rebound every play, Ware is down there to snag the board and Bam with everyone else can leak out and get the fast break going


It's safe to say Bam's All-Star chances might take a hit next season, with Powell and Wiggins likely to take shots away from him.

I can see Powell putting up 20–21 PPG, Herro around 23–24, and Wiggins hovering near his career average of 19.
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Post#1490 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Sep 6, 2025 1:30 pm

marson wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:
Idk im hoping Bam puts up a career high with assists. Like 6+ a game. He'll have 3 or 4 plus shooters around him at all times, with no elite playmaking guards/wings. Swing that rock Bam, and attack the paint and midrange when the others are double teamed or closed out on. Id rather that, then the first option being him iso


18 points, 9 rebounds, and 5 assists is probably near the line we’re getting give or take. Could see assists jumping like you mentioned, points Im probably being optimistic based on thinking Herro Powell and Wiggins will all have a score first mentality and 8-9 rebounds a night seems like a safe bet with Ware starting a full season next to him. Bam now doesn’t have to deter in the paint, then chase down out to the perimeter and then crash in for the rebound every play, Ware is down there to snag the board and Bam with everyone else can leak out and get the fast break going


It's safe to say Bam's All-Star chances might take a hit next season, with Powell and Wiggins likely to take shots away from him.

I can see Powell putting up 20–21 PPG, Herro around 23–24, and Wiggins hovering near his career average of 19.


They’re all score 1st mentality players and we already saw it last season with Wiggins taking shots from both Bam and Herro. Going to come down to how good the team is and what the voters (coaches) value. If Bam is 4th option that is, I might be and hopefully am wrong about it.

I’m still of the same mindset as I was post Jimmy, Bam and Herro need to be getting their shots while everyone else falls in line. With us not contending this is a great opportunity for their scoring development, we don’t need to hinder it having them defer to 30+ year old players who more than likely are not in the long term picture.
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Post#1491 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Sep 6, 2025 3:08 pm

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Post#1492 » by Voltron914 » Sat Sep 6, 2025 3:43 pm

marson wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:
Idk im hoping Bam puts up a career high with assists. Like 6+ a game. He'll have 3 or 4 plus shooters around him at all times, with no elite playmaking guards/wings. Swing that rock Bam, and attack the paint and midrange when the others are double teamed or closed out on. Id rather that, then the first option being him iso


18 points, 9 rebounds, and 5 assists is probably near the line we’re getting give or take. Could see assists jumping like you mentioned, points Im probably being optimistic based on thinking Herro Powell and Wiggins will all have a score first mentality and 8-9 rebounds a night seems like a safe bet with Ware starting a full season next to him. Bam now doesn’t have to deter in the paint, then chase down out to the perimeter and then crash in for the rebound every play, Ware is down there to snag the board and Bam with everyone else can leak out and get the fast break going


It's safe to say Bam's All-Star chances might take a hit next season, with Powell and Wiggins likely to take shots away from him.

I can see Powell putting up 20–21 PPG, Herro around 23–24, and Wiggins hovering near his career average of 19.


i can see that but hopefully bam is getting the assists on most of those points. he doesnt have that killer mentality when it comes to scoring so if he is anchoring elite defense and upping his play making like someone said draymond on steroids. 24/10/8 is what i would want from him as a leader of the team
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Post#1493 » by Shewasfly » Sat Sep 6, 2025 5:38 pm

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:
Shewasfly wrote:Tyler is physically limited defensively. He's not going to come into the year and have a better wingspan to contest shots. So I can see saying he is mostly tapped out and has reached his ceiling there. What he has to do to get better on defense is simply get stronger and not as easily able to be pushed around and also smarter as it concerns positional defense.

I do think Tyler has a lot more room to grow offensively though. He can continue to improve his bbiq and his reads and passing. He also can continue to improve his handle, getting to the line, and finishing inside. These are all things that he's incrementally improved on year by year but especially last year when he was thrust into a bigger role.

I don't see how Tyler can be written off as having reached his ceiling if we can agree that Bam hasn't. Are we forgetting that Bam has had 2 more seasons than Tyler in this league? And Bam has physical limitations too. He is simply not big enough to play the position that best matches his skillset without causing deficits elsewhere (small ball). He's not going to come into camp having gotten any taller, so his ceiling defensively is tapped. But this is fine (as long as we put him at PF where he belongs) because he is already great defensively.

Offensively I can't say I trust that he'll improve in skillset or mindset, but he certainly has room to grow there. And I honestly do think he's learning from and studying A'ja. He can never be as dominant as her against HIS PEERS (before the He-Man Woman haters and incels come for me again) but there's nothing preventing him from picking up on some of those moves to be a more of a threat to defenses and help our offense be more dynamic.

We're really going to need that growth on offense from Bam more than anyone. Because as of right now, despite the addition of Powell, we still have no inside scoring threat. That is a front court issue.

Not that I disagree with you, but I was mostly referring to athletic potential. People see a guy with the tools of a Michael Jordan and they start envisioning Michael Jordan, its just how NBA fans have been trained to operate even though it almost never pans out.

Skill growth isn't sexy, and it also does put a ceiling on what you can become in most cases, because the most skilled smaller shorter less physical guy will always be beat by a guy with the same skills but in a better package. I guess its a question of, is Tyler's physical package enough that he can make up the deficit in skill. I think to some extent, but its always gonna be a question. Whereas with a Bam, athletically he's already in the 0.1 percentile so its easier to project what his ceiling theoretically could be because you max his skill slider and he's as good as it gets (if it were only that easy).


That's fair. I think when people talk about the physical they focus on things like athleticism. So speed, explosiveness, and jumping ability, etc. But they ignore the stats, such as height, wingspan, etc. As athletic as Bam is, he doesn't have the overwhelming athletic ability to make up for being 6'9 trying to play center. Someone was talking about Wade and how much of a freak athlete he was earlier. Wade was 6'4 but truly an overwhelming athlete to where it didn't matter that he was actually small for a guard. You could NEVER tell on the court with him. You can tell with Bam every time he plays a real C. And that's unfortunately never gonna change. So the hope is that he can develop skillwise enough to be a championship caliber PF.

For Tyler I see it the same way, except his deficit isn't his height but his wingspan and athletic ability. That's why its hard for me to think he's going to get any better defensively except IQ wise. But he's got plenty he can still build on offensively as a 3 level scorer and creator.
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Post#1494 » by Shewasfly » Sat Sep 6, 2025 5:40 pm

unowen85 wrote:
Shewasfly wrote:Offensively I can't say I trust that he'll improve in skillset or mindset, but he certainly has room to grow there. And I honestly do think he's learning from and studying A'ja. He can never be as dominant as her against HIS PEERS (before the He-Man Woman haters and incels come for me again) but there's nothing preventing him from picking up on some of those moves to be a more of a threat to defenses and help our offense be more dynamic.

We're really going to need that growth on offense from Bam more than anyone. Because as of right now, despite the addition of Powell, we still have no inside scoring threat. That is a front court issue.


Apparently Bam has become besties with Michael Beasley and they have been working out together during offseason. Maybe Beasley can fix his offense.


I guess we can factor in some additional travels per game for Bam then.

Seriously though, I hope he's working with someone else and Beasley is just his bestie.
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Post#1495 » by Shewasfly » Sat Sep 6, 2025 5:55 pm

lastb1ckman wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:
Yeah if Bam had a Jarrett Allen level big next to him, things would be different. And even then, that team was just super good and Bam had a down first half. I still would say Bam is better than Mobley. If he continues his play late in the season and Ware takes a step, the rest of the league will see again. Bam isss the temple for Mobley anyways. A career year for Mobley was only a bit better than a down a Bam year.


Exactly, Mobley himself said he looks up to Bam and studies his game.


I do hope they lean on Bam as an offensive hub next season. Think Warriors lite, with Herro and Powell running around and playing the Steph and Klay role. Same with Wiggins and Jovic running off ball a lot.


We already play this way though. Spo is on record talking about playing Bam in a Draymond-like role. Its to the point where certain people overrated Duncan because he worked well with Bam in that regard.

But ironically, at the same time the common complaint has been that playing this way doesn't put Bam in the position to score. So we're going to have to pick a struggle with him I think.
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Post#1496 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Sat Sep 6, 2025 7:44 pm

SerialChiller wrote:
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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:“Well, I think you can just look at at last season... If Minnesota has herro you win the title ...same wth New York”

“I I want to clarify my views from before... I almost sure that if new york has herro As a third wheel besides Brunson and Towns... They Become champs last season... I even think they have the beginnings of a small dynasty.”

“xplaining color to blind men is not something I plan on doing anymore this offseason. If they can't understand what they watched last season so be it, but we would have been in the 20s without Herro.”

“Just leaving this post as a placeholder so I can look like nostradamus in 2 years, or be totally forgotten, but Tyler Herro (I do legitimately think he has Curry-esque potential as a shooter and with the right narrative who knows).”

“And even with Durant, Herro would still be the team’s primary offensive initiator.”

“Herro is a more effective offensive engine than Durant”

“Tyler was supposed to be just another low IQ chucker and he basically got near Mitchell's level this year.”

“Comparing him to Lavine feels disrespectful if you watch both guys play”

Pipe down Timmy.


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lol how are these the receipts? Its funny because most of these are just mild praise, or showing miff at comparisons to lesser players, nothing in there over the top. The most over the top is one of mine that I recognize, which was basically a hail mary place holder in case Tyler magically unlocks the secret to shoot like Curry the rest of his career (hence the "so I can look like nostradamus or be totally forgotten" line). Or maybe the "he's a better engine than Durant" line, which strictly going by the numbers is a real debate comparing them H2H right now (obviously he's not near prime pre achilles Durant). The "New York would win the title with him" well if you added him as a third option sure but that's kinda cheating, also them being a dynasty I obviously disagree with.

The issue is you (and the people who and-1'd you) have built a narrative in your heads that Tyler Herro is a net negative player, he is subtraction by addition, which I AGREE with if you go back a few years, but that was not the case last year and it really started to shift the year before that as well.

The other difference is you keep trying to poke people in the eye and then go what are you mad about with the flippant comments. And when people admit Herro is flawed, which they do all the time, they don't go "well Bam's holding him back or Spo needs to find a fit for him in the offense". You know what they say? He's physically small/weak and he may never make up that deficit. They're honest.

When you claim you're being realistic about Bam, you know what you say? "Well he'll probably score 18 and 9... because Herro/Wiggins/Powell are going to take shots from him and Spo won't center the offense around him." That's why people get frustrated with you, because you have some delusion that Bam is this KG level talent that would show it if only the coach and all the players would just believe in him.

And when people call you out on it, you act like a victim while actively attacking other parts of the team. Its player fan behavior. And if you claim that's what you aren't, you have to stop acting like it. We both recognize Tyler's limitations, the difference is you want to write him off and dump him for nothing, I want to squeeze what we can get out of him. But when the same attitude is held about Bam by some posters (which I also disagree with) you freak out and claim the whole board is full of haters.

Btw I was going to go through your receipts to find all the instances of trolling but I couldn't be bothered because you literally have like 20+ posts a day every single day (kudos to the dedication). But I wouldn't respond if it wasn't frequent, and I think most (who aren't on the "please get Herro off my team" bandwagon) can see it as well. That's the funniest thing about all this to me, I'd be ambivalent about it if we traded Herro tomorrow and got decent return for him, I'm just tired of the hyperbole that he's this massive albatross holding the team (and Edrice) back.
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Post#1497 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Sep 6, 2025 8:11 pm

Saying Bam is going to average somewhere along the lines of 18-9-5 isn’t a complaint, it’s reality of the situation. Bam has always been a hub to get other guys going, that is quite literally how he has always been used in Spos offense because he is so versatile. When we added Terry who’s shot attempts and usage not only dropped but plummeted? Bams. When we added Wiggins who got less shots? Bam. This is not trolling, making excuses, or any of the other nonsense, it is literal fact. So to assume that may be even more of the case after adding Norman Powell (another score first mentality player with somewhat decent but not good/great playmaking) is definitely in the realm of possibility because it’s what we’re accustomed to.

I’m seeing posts expecting Bam to average 24-10-8 as this teams leader, I’m just giving a realistic expectation. Sure I’d love for him to average those numbers but as I’ve pointed out only 12 players have ever averaged 24-10 while being on an all defense team, 11 of the 12 were MVPs, the other was AD. That’s not even taking into consideration the assists. I love Bam, I love the Heat, I’m even hoping you all are right on Herro and I’m dead wrong, but Bam is not an MVP level player. He is the level of player that can find his way in those top 15 discussions in the right situation (winning matters tremendously) and as for a KG being held back by Spo, Bam could absolutely put up big numbers if you put him on a bad team and tell him his main responsibility is to score, especially if you give him a high level playmaking PG to work with. Will that lead to wins? Idk, when Tyler and Jimmy have been out in the past he has answered the call while being the first option (23-10-7 on 57% shooting for his career, ironically close to the line Voltron gave and 25-12-5 the last 3 seasons) and put up huge numbers and even got us some impressive wins or close to (think Cleveland last year with Terrorist Terry sabotaging the game). But when I bring this CONTEXT in play I’m met with lazy responses of “well your just a homer Bam stan player fan we know he’s your cousin blah blah blah”.

Bam could absolutely do more if given more of the scoring load and a consistent playmaking first type of guard (this is not an excuse for Bam it is literally common sense that having playmaking guards helps out bigs tremendously and go look at Bams assisted baskets rate to other elite bigs if you disagree). Spo also has his way of what he wants for his team and how they should operate, that’s ok too. I don’t agree with it all the time but we’ve had success with it, I think it’s time now to switch things up though.
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Post#1498 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Sat Sep 6, 2025 8:21 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Saying Bam is going to average somewhere along the lines of 18-9-5 isn’t a complaint, it’s reality of the situation. Bam has always been a hub to get other guys going, that is quite literally how he has always been used in Spos offense because he is so versatile. When we added Terry who’s shot attempts and usage not only dropped but plummeted? Bams. When we added Wiggins who got less shots? Bam. This is not trolling, making excuses, or any of the other nonsense, it is literal fact. So to assume that may be even more of the case after adding Norman Powell (another score first mentality player with somewhat decent but not good/great playmaking) is definitely in the realm of possibility because it’s what we’re accustomed to.

I’m seeing posts expecting Bam to average 24-10-8 as this teams leader, I’m just giving a realistic expectation. Sure I’d love for him to average those numbers but as I’ve pointed out only 12 players have ever averaged 24-10 while being on an all defense team, 11 of the 12 were MVPs, the other was AD. That’s not even taking into consideration the assists. I love Bam, I love the Heat, I’m even hoping you all are right on Herro and I’m dead wrong, but Bam is not an MVP level player. He is the level of player that can find his way in those top 15 discussions in the right situation (winning matters tremendously) and as for a KG being held back by Spo, Bam could absolutely put up big numbers if you put him on a bad team and tell him his main responsibility is to score, especially if you give him a high level playmaking PG to work with. Will that lead to wins? Idk, when Tyler and Jimmy have been out in the past he has answered the call while being the first option (23-10-7 on 57% shooting for his career, ironically close to the line Voltron gave and 25-12-5 the last 3 seasons) and put up huge numbers and even got us some impressive wins or close to (think Cleveland last year with Terrorist Terry sabotaging the game). But when I bring this CONTEXT in play I’m met with lazy responses of “well your just a homer Bam stan player fan we know he’s your cousin blah blah blah”.

Bam could absolutely do more if given more of the scoring load and a consistent playmaking first type of guard (this is not an excuse for Bam it is literally common sense that having playmaking guards helps out bigs tremendously and go look at Bams assisted baskets rate to other elite bigs if you disagree). Spo also has his way of what he wants for his team and how they should operate, that’s ok too. I don’t agree with it all the time but we’ve had success with it, I think it’s time now to switch things up though.

This is one of your most reasonable takes on Bam I've ever seen, and if you posted like this all the time I think you'd get less pushback. Still think you're overrating him a bit if you think guys are "stealing" shots from him or Spo isn't using him properly, I don't see that and I think Bam is just a hesitant guy who holds the ball too long at times. But that's a minor quibble.
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Post#1499 » by Hallstar » Sat Sep 6, 2025 8:53 pm

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Post#1500 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Sep 6, 2025 9:18 pm

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