Miami Heat Off-season thread 13.0 In Riley We Trust

[Amorphous Blob]

I guess we trade cole now? Drop him and pick up a big.

[RexBoyWonder]

5-6 seed. But we got 2016 free agency to look forward to.

We have to develop some young cheap talent by then. Bosh + that young talent is all we'll have.

[CaliHeat]

If we get Boozer, i hope he comes off the bench. McRoberts will do everything better than Boozer other than maybe score the basketball. We will need that scoring punch off the bench. Plus Boozer would probably be best playing along side Birdman.

[Amorphous Blob]

This season should be interesting no massive expectations.

[mopper8]

That's a big overpay. He's not better then a bunch of vet min players. 2/4 is more like it. being generous.

guy averaged 10/5 on 57 TS% last season, he's right in the middle of his physical prime, has nice size for his position, posted a league-average PER. You're letting your bias show

Should I start copy pasting the stats of D.J. Augustin, Patrick Beverley, Devin Harris, Brian Roberts (just to name a few)

All played for VETERAN MINIMUM Money (he got 4 Mil) and all are just better overall players then him.

Well, let's see. DJ Augustin in 2012 averaged 11/6, and he then signed for 3.5M. Then he couldn't get off the bench and only average 5ppg and then signed for the minimum. His production then spiked back up in the 10+pts, 5 assist range, and he won't be making the minimum next season.

Beverley is still on the contract he signed when he'd never yet played an NBA game, so again, what he makes is not at all representative of how the market values his production.

Brian Roberts just signed a 2 years, 5.5M deal, not vet minimum. That's what the market valued his production at. He was actually slightly less productive and efficient than Chalmers was last season.

Devin Harris averaged 8/5 and is 30. He signed a 3-year, 9M deal already---not the veteran minimum.

Your own examples disprove your point and prove mine--Mario's market value is in the 3-4M range

[overland]

pinning us down at 5-6 seed is pretty bad. i think we can be a 3 seed

chi better
cava better
indi better
wiz better
All this in regular season NOT IN PLAYOFF

[HeatDaChamps]

pinning us down at 5-6 seed is pretty bad. i think we can be a 3 seed

chi better
cava better
indi better
wiz better
All this in regular season NOT IN PLAYOFF

i dont see the wizards being better than us.

[DefenseWins]

pinning us down at 5-6 seed is pretty bad. i think we can be a 3 seed

It's hard to say


Pacers, Cavs, Bulls (no particular order) are ahead of us I think in terms of winning more games. Toronto and Wizards, even Atlanta look like they can make some noise to

The east isn't as bad as it was last year at all


Oh and there is NY too, they will embed the triangle


Brooklyn who knows what happens


It's just a toss up from 4 down

[miamivice]

pinning us down at 5-6 seed is pretty bad. i think we can be a 3 seed

chi better
cava better
indi better
wiz better
All this in regular season NOT IN PLAYOFF

wiz are not better without ariza and who knows what indiana achieves after stevenson appears to be gone...

[Mars]

Defiant Rather Than Defeated, Pat Riley Presses Forward with Reload

By Ethan Skolnick | Bleacher Report
Jul 13, 2014

MIAMI — Without seeing the inside of Pat Riley's wallet, there's no way to know for certain if he still he keeps any of the custom cards there, the ones that say "Forever." But he did. At least, that's what he revealed forever ago, before LeBron James had won two championships for the Miami Heat, and before he embarked upon the nearly-impossible project of replacing him.

You see, the Miami Heat president has coined the phrase "Forever Men" to describe his favorite players, those who have given the most to him during his four-plus decades in the NBA, the ones he sees as most like himself. Magic Johnson is a Forever Man. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is a Forever Man. Patrick Ewing is a Forever Man. Alonzo Mourning is the ultimate Forever Man, parroting so many of Riley's principles as a player, and now working with him in the Heat front office. And, even if they haven't always agreed on everything, Dwyane Wade is a Forever Man, too.

You don't need to be a superstar to be a Forever Man, if you embody his ideals. Udonis Haslem, a symbol of sweat and sacrifice, is for sure a Forever Man, as will become evident when Haslem returns to the roster on another new contract. So is Brian Grant, who played for the Heat in the early 2000s...

Link

[Altered_Beast]

pinning us down at 5-6 seed is pretty bad. i think we can be a 3 seed

chi better
cava better
indi better
wiz better
All this in regular season NOT IN PLAYOFF

how are you so positive that indy and wiz will be better

cavs even

wizards lost ariza and replaced with paul pierce
indiana might lose stephenson
cleveland is a very young team and that love deal is not set in stone. lebron is the best but its hard for me to see him take a team that couldnt make the playoffs in a terrible eastern conference all the way up to a top 2 seed

miami is already being severely underrated

[DefenseWins]

Where is Stephenson even gonna go?


Chicago might still be in play for him if they amnesty Boozer, I think


True, Ariza having a good year made the Wiz better, but they see still good. Bradley Beal is my fav player on that team. Wall and Beal are great too. Gortat, NeNe... They have a good roster and front court that eats us alive

[twozeroMM]

It's looking like a Heat starting five of Chris Bosh, Josh McRoberts, Luol Deng, Dwyane Wade, Mario Chalmers.

Everybody guess our Seed with that lineup...

4th or 5th. If we overachieve top 3. We have a solid ass team for losing the best player in the world.

[TrueRain]

LeBron going to the Cavs is obviously gonna make them a better team than last year but some of you are giving them entirely too much credit. They're still an unknown at this point.

This team is being underrated already.

[overland]

pinning us down at 5-6 seed is pretty bad. i think we can be a 3 seed

chi better
cava better
indi better
wiz better
All this in regular season NOT IN PLAYOFF

wiz are not better without ariza and who knows what indiana achieves after stevenson appears to be gone...

wall + bael 1 year better + pp
Indian will play more like a team

[CurtisHierro]

Here is how the Heat’s salary cap situation is playing out this offseason. Originally the team intended to operate over the cap with their exceptions but LeBron leaving changed that. The use of cap space is a very precise process in which team’s have to renounce the rights of former players and sign and resign players in a certain order to maximize possible space. This is the process we are going through right now to add players:

1. Renounce rights of Shane Battier (retirement)
2. Renounce rights of Toney Douglas (scrub)
3. Renounce Traded Player Exception from Joel Anthony trade
4. Renounce rights of Udonis Haslem (we will later resign with Room Exception)
5. Renounce rights of Ray Allen (cap hold too high)
6. Renounce rights to James Jones (cap hold too high)
7. Re-Sign Dwyane Wade (est. starting salary of 13,000,000)
8. Re-Sign Mario Chalmers (est. starting salary of 4,000,000)
9. Sign Luol Deng (starting salary of 10,000,000)
10. Sign Josh McRoberts (starting salary of 5,305,000)
11. Sign Danny Granger (starting salary of 2,077,000)
12. Sign Shabazz Napier to rookie scale contract
13. Re-Sign Chris Bosh (starting salary of 20,644,400) – NOW OVER CAP
14. Sign Udonis Haslem using Room Exception (2,732,000)
15. Maintain rights of Chris Andersen, Greg Oden, Rashard Lewis, Michael Beasley and rookie James Ennis to sign over the cap.

Our roster state would then look like this:

Player Cap Charge
Chris Bosh $20,644,400
Dwyane Wade $14,000,000
Luol Deng $10,000,000
Josh McRoberts $5,305,000
Mario Chalmers $4,000,000
Udonis Haslem $2,732,000
Danny Granger $2,077,000
Norris Cole $2,038,206
Shabazz Napier $1,032,200
Justin Hamilton $816,482
Chris Andersen $915,243
Rashard Lewis $915,243
Greg Oden $915,243
Michael Beasley $915,243
James Ennis $507,336
Empty Roster Holds 0
Salary Total 66,813,596
Salary Cap 63,065,000
Cap Room -3,748,596

Of note is that there is no scenario in which the Heat can maintain Ray Allen’s bird rights and still retain Mario Chalmers. Additionally James Jones cap hold of over 2 mil must be renounced to sign other players. Allen and Jones would then be only eligible to return to the Heat on minimum contracts.

[W4D3C0UNTY]

Man we need some shooters...

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[Seabass777]

If we're going to feature Bosh, i want him at the 4. I want Mcbob coming off the bench. We need a serviceable center, which is like impossible to get

Were gonna have to start Greg Oden,let him get 15-20 minutes,and then Birdman can back him up for 20 minutes.

Then from time to time,Spo can still use small ball philosophies,and use lineups interchanging McRoberts,and Bosh at the frontcourt in certain scenarios.

[Vertical Limit]

Where is Stephenson even gonna go?


Chicago might still be in play for him if they amnesty Boozer, I think


True, Ariza having a good year made the Wiz better, but they see still good. Bradley Beal is my fav player on that team. Wall and Beal are great too. Gortat, NeNe... They have a good roster and front court that eats us alive

He waited this out wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too long.. there's barely any other places to go and now he's giving Indiana leverage.

[RexBoyWonder]

guy averaged 10/5 on 57 TS% last season, he's right in the middle of his physical prime, has nice size for his position, posted a league-average PER. You're letting your bias show

Should I start copy pasting the stats of D.J. Augustin, Patrick Beverley, Devin Harris, Brian Roberts (just to name a few)

All played for VETERAN MINIMUM Money (he got 4 Mil) and all are just better overall players then him.

Well, let's see. DJ Augustin in 2012 averaged 11/6, and he then signed for 3.5M. Then he couldn't get off the bench and only average 5ppg and then signed for the minimum. His production then spiked back up in the 10+pts, 5 assist range, and he won't be making the minimum next season.

Beverley is still on the contract he signed when he'd never yet played an NBA game, so again, what he makes is not at all representative of how the market values his production.

Brian Roberts just signed a 2 years, 5.5M deal, not vet minimum. That's what the market valued his production at. He was actually slightly less productive and efficient than Chalmers was last season.

Devin Harris averaged 8/5 and is 30. He signed a 3-year, 9M deal already---not the veteran minimum.

Your own examples disprove your point and prove mine--Mario's market value is in the 3-4M range

You're seriously posting RAW stats to prove a point? What is this, ESPN"s comments section?

Rio played with the best teammates in the NBA, and couldn't take advantage. All these players are better then him.