Miami Heat 2023/2024 Training Camp and Regular Season Thread

[AirP.]

So, listening to the Woj podcast talking about the 2 1st the Clippers gave up and the "prime" of the picks... that 2028 LA Clipper 1st, a team that's willing to spend money yet Miami's 1sts in the distant future were meh at best. Going back a year the talk of how great the Laker's distant 1sts are to be.

It's an incredible double standard, my guess is when you don't play ball with both giving and receiving information, you're going to get burned in the national media scene.

Which is why I don't listen to Woj, ESPN, NBA TV, or any of the 'popular' broadcasts out there. They are all just trying to push a certain agenda and are compensated for it.

Pretend for a second you are a GM. Would you want two unprotected picks from the Clips or would you want two unprotected picks from the Heat. This is not rocket science, just some good old common sense. It's ok to call a spade a spade.

You want the picks from Miami, the team that doesn't want to go over the tax to retain talent.

I look at Miami right now with Bam at the max, Herro near the max and an aging Butler and I don't see a great team in 4-5 years while seeing 2 near max guys already on the roster. You need to remember what Miami had between LeBron to when Butler was signed and also recognize that Pat Riley is 78.

The Clippers can just pay to retain talent and turn it into better talent like for instance.... Harden for scraps and a couple 1sts, the Clippers will resign their aging high-level players and probably sell them off for more assets in the next 2-3 years.

[AirP.]

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Jimmys boy is pissed and Jimmy made him delete the post lol. Probably safe to say Jimmy is pretty pissed off too.

Jimmy might be pissed, but he doesn’t strike me as the type of dude to make someone erase something.

Butler's agent probably would suggest he takes that down instead of making the situation more complicated.

[MorbidHEAT]

I'm down for trading Butler and resetting the timeline here around Bam(26) and Herro(23). 49 mill and 52 mil in Butler's age 35 and 36 years. Might be as good a year as any to cash in on him for a package of picks that reloads our coffers. Have a soft tank while developing the young guys and get us a premier young PG in the draft. With all our young talent and picks we'll be in line to try and get Donovan Mitchell in the next year or two. Butler heading back to the 76ers to rejoin Embiid may be a win for him and getting all the 76er assets may be a win for us.

I’ve been saying that since last summer. If we aren’t going to go all in for Jimmy’s timeline, then trade him while his.m value is still high and get as many asserts as you can for him. This will completely reset our timeline and put Jimmy in a position to win a title.

We are not a championship team as constructed, not even close.

[AirP.]

So, do we now think Butler may be protesting another summer of doing nothing? The emo thing he said was his way of expressing that he was hopeful not once but twice this summer that they'd get Lillard or Holiday. Butlers had no issues letting friends being trade, Dragic had to leave for Lowry, I'm sure he'd be fine seeing Lowry being moved for more help.

Unless it was an emergency which we probably would have heard about it, Butler timed his dental procedure at a time when he knew he was supposed to be playing, not 2 weeks before, not a month before but during his job which seems quite calculated and now has dogged it in the 3 games he's played in.

[powerball1373]

We still posting random Twitter nobodies in here huh? Who TF gives a **** about 'Jimmy's boy' lmfao. Jimmy's boy can smdftb and gtfo.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We still posting random Twitter nobodies in here huh? Who TF gives a **** about 'Jimmy's boy' lmfao. Jimmy's boy can smdftb and gtfo.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[AirP.]

I'm down for trading Butler and resetting the timeline here around Bam(26) and Herro(23). 49 mill and 52 mil in Butler's age 35 and 36 years. Might be as good a year as any to cash in on him for a package of picks that reloads our coffers. Have a soft tank while developing the young guys and get us a premier young PG in the draft. With all our young talent and picks we'll be in line to try and get Donovan Mitchell in the next year or two. Butler heading back to the 76ers to rejoin Embiid may be a win for him and getting all the 76er assets may be a win for us.

I’ve been saying that since last summer. If we aren’t going to go all in for Jimmy’s timeline, then trade him while his.m value is still high and get as many asserts as you can for him. This will completely reset our timeline and put Jimmy in a position to win a title.

We are not a championship team as constructed, not even close.

I don't think you're getting anywhere near a championship roster in the next half decade if you move Butler unless you can get a great player in the draft or clear out the roster and convince someone with all-NBA talent that they can win a championship with Bam and Herro making near maxes and they shouldn't stay with their current team for the super-max. I just don't see that happening without a crazy signing happening.

[DayofMourning]

I'm down for trading Butler and resetting the timeline here around Bam(26) and Herro(23). 49 mill and 52 mil in Butler's age 35 and 36 years. Might be as good a year as any to cash in on him for a package of picks that reloads our coffers. Have a soft tank while developing the young guys and get us a premier young PG in the draft. With all our young talent and picks we'll be in line to try and get Donovan Mitchell in the next year or two. Butler heading back to the 76ers to rejoin Embiid may be a win for him and getting all the 76er assets may be a win for us.

I’ve been saying that since last summer. If we aren’t going to go all in for Jimmy’s timeline, then trade him while his.m value is still high and get as many asserts as you can for him. This will completely reset our timeline and put Jimmy in a position to win a title.

We are not a championship team as constructed, not even close.

I don't think you're getting anywhere near a championship roster in the next half decade if you move Butler unless you can get a great player in the draft or clear out the roster and convince someone with all-NBA talent that they can win a championship with Bam and Herro making near maxes and they shouldn't stay with their current team for the super-max. I just don't see that happening without a crazy signing happening.

Its a major gamble trading away Butler. You would resign yourself to having to nail your draft pick. All time great pick type of player to match what youre losing at some point. Thats super risky.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I'm down for trading Butler and resetting the timeline here around Bam(26) and Herro(23). 49 mill and 52 mil in Butler's age 35 and 36 years. Might be as good a year as any to cash in on him for a package of picks that reloads our coffers. Have a soft tank while developing the young guys and get us a premier young PG in the draft. With all our young talent and picks we'll be in line to try and get Donovan Mitchell in the next year or two. Butler heading back to the 76ers to rejoin Embiid may be a win for him and getting all the 76er assets may be a win for us.

I’ve been saying that since last summer. If we aren’t going to go all in for Jimmy’s timeline, then trade him while his.m value is still high and get as many asserts as you can for him. This will completely reset our timeline and put Jimmy in a position to win a title.

We are not a championship team as constructed, not even close.

I don't think you're getting anywhere near a championship roster in the next half decade if you move Butler unless you can get a great player in the draft or clear out the roster and convince someone with all-NBA talent that they can win a championship with Bam and Herro making near maxes and they shouldn't stay with their current team for the super-max. I just don't see that happening without a crazy signing happening.

What are you so damn adamant about hanging on too? Butler has a max year or two before father time starts knocking. We are handcuffed. It’s been fun but time to do what’s best for him and our organization which needs a reboot into the future. If Butler was 30 different story.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I’ve been saying that since last summer. If we aren’t going to go all in for Jimmy’s timeline, then trade him while his.m value is still high and get as many asserts as you can for him. This will completely reset our timeline and put Jimmy in a position to win a title.

We are not a championship team as constructed, not even close.

I don't think you're getting anywhere near a championship roster in the next half decade if you move Butler unless you can get a great player in the draft or clear out the roster and convince someone with all-NBA talent that they can win a championship with Bam and Herro making near maxes and they shouldn't stay with their current team for the super-max. I just don't see that happening without a crazy signing happening.

Its a major gamble trading away Butler. You would resign yourself to having to nail your draft pick. All time great pick type of player to match what youre losing at some point. Thats super risky.

What’s the gamble really though. He’ll be making 50 mil per over the next two years. We have little to no cap space and constantly avoiding tax penalties. Rebuild around Herro, Bam, JJJ, and Jovic. With Butler and Lowry that’s 80 million off the books. Get the picks and cap space and put us in a power position to add a young star that compliments our young core going into the future.

[MorbidHEAT]

I'm down for trading Butler and resetting the timeline here around Bam(26) and Herro(23). 49 mill and 52 mil in Butler's age 35 and 36 years. Might be as good a year as any to cash in on him for a package of picks that reloads our coffers. Have a soft tank while developing the young guys and get us a premier young PG in the draft. With all our young talent and picks we'll be in line to try and get Donovan Mitchell in the next year or two. Butler heading back to the 76ers to rejoin Embiid may be a win for him and getting all the 76er assets may be a win for us.

I’ve been saying that since last summer. If we aren’t going to go all in for Jimmy’s timeline, then trade him while his.m value is still high and get as many asserts as you can for him. This will completely reset our timeline and put Jimmy in a position to win a title.

We are not a championship team as constructed, not even close.

I don't think you're getting anywhere near a championship roster in the next half decade if you move Butler unless you can get a great player in the draft or clear out the roster and convince someone with all-NBA talent that they can win a championship with Bam and Herro making near maxes and they shouldn't stay with their current team for the super-max. I just don't see that happening without a crazy signing happening.

With the new tax rules we aren’t getting anywhere near a championship even with Jimmy. This was the year to make that trade. Unless it happens by the deadline, that’s it. Trading Jimmy instead of waiting out his contract saves us 3 or 4 years because we can start the inevitable partial or full rebuild sooner. The rebuild is going to happen sooner or later,

[AirP.]

I’ve been saying that since last summer. If we aren’t going to go all in for Jimmy’s timeline, then trade him while his.m value is still high and get as many asserts as you can for him. This will completely reset our timeline and put Jimmy in a position to win a title.

We are not a championship team as constructed, not even close.

I don't think you're getting anywhere near a championship roster in the next half decade if you move Butler unless you can get a great player in the draft or clear out the roster and convince someone with all-NBA talent that they can win a championship with Bam and Herro making near maxes and they shouldn't stay with their current team for the super-max. I just don't see that happening without a crazy signing happening.

What are you so damn adamant about hanging on too? Butler has a max year or two before father time starts knocking. We are handcuffed. It’s been fun but time to do what’s best for him and our organization which needs a reboot into the future. If Butler was 30 different story.

How was your reboot going after LeBron left? 4-5 years later still just around a .500 team, throwing money at Waiters, J.Johnson, T.Johnson, Whiteside, that future is a real possibility for the next half decade for Miami for parting Butler out.

You guys are just way too interested in next vs present.

If you could get a ton of good assets that could produce another star go for it, maybe New York would bite, but I don't think you'll get a great package for him.

[MorbidHEAT]

I’ve been saying that since last summer. If we aren’t going to go all in for Jimmy’s timeline, then trade him while his.m value is still high and get as many asserts as you can for him. This will completely reset our timeline and put Jimmy in a position to win a title.

We are not a championship team as constructed, not even close.

I don't think you're getting anywhere near a championship roster in the next half decade if you move Butler unless you can get a great player in the draft or clear out the roster and convince someone with all-NBA talent that they can win a championship with Bam and Herro making near maxes and they shouldn't stay with their current team for the super-max. I just don't see that happening without a crazy signing happening.

Its a major gamble trading away Butler. You would resign yourself to having to nail your draft pick. All time great pick type of player to match what youre losing at some point. Thats super risky.

I don’t see the gamble. We aren’t going to win with Butler and we won’t win without Butler. There is 2 differences. One is that with Butler we will make the playoffs and give Micky a little more money in his pockets. The 2nd is when we go into the rebuild. It could take years, but simple math tells us that you have to add Butler’s remaining contract years to whatever amount of time it takes.

[AirP.]

I don't think you're getting anywhere near a championship roster in the next half decade if you move Butler unless you can get a great player in the draft or clear out the roster and convince someone with all-NBA talent that they can win a championship with Bam and Herro making near maxes and they shouldn't stay with their current team for the super-max. I just don't see that happening without a crazy signing happening.

Its a major gamble trading away Butler. You would resign yourself to having to nail your draft pick. All time great pick type of player to match what youre losing at some point. Thats super risky.

I don’t see the gamble. We aren’t going to win with Butler and we won’t win without Butler. There is 2 differences. One is that with Butler we will make the playoffs and give Micky a little more money in his pockets. The 2nd is when we go into the rebuild. It could take years, but simple math tells us that you have to add Butler’s remaining contract years to whatever amount of time it takes.

If you move Butler you might as well move Bam too, at least Bam's young enough to really get some good assets back. I'm not sure why you'd want to keep Bam around on a "rebuilding" team from age 26 to what.... age 30,31?

[Vertical Limit]

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Jimmys boy is pissed and Jimmy made him delete the post lol. Probably safe to say Jimmy is pretty pissed off too.

Jimmy might be pissed, but he doesn’t strike me as the type of dude to make someone erase something.

Butler's agent probably would suggest he takes that down instead of making the situation more complicated.

If we dont have our team on the right track by deadline, there will definitely be “trade culture” coming soon.. and it will be Butler on the block with Lowry being bought out.. the Heat will work on getting as below the tax line as possible and rebuild, if they dont see a true contending team.

So that guy can tell his boy Jimmy to get his **** together, we need all nba jimmy to win these games.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Tatum and Mitchell or Fox are coming here…..

[SoFlaKingReal]

I don't think you're getting anywhere near a championship roster in the next half decade if you move Butler unless you can get a great player in the draft or clear out the roster and convince someone with all-NBA talent that they can win a championship with Bam and Herro making near maxes and they shouldn't stay with their current team for the super-max. I just don't see that happening without a crazy signing happening.

What are you so damn adamant about hanging on too? Butler has a max year or two before father time starts knocking. We are handcuffed. It’s been fun but time to do what’s best for him and our organization which needs a reboot into the future. If Butler was 30 different story.

How was your reboot going after LeBron left? 4-5 years later still just around a .500 team, throwing money at Waiters, J.Johnson, T.Johnson, Whiteside, that future is a real possibility for the next half decade for Miami for parting Butler out.

You guys are just way too interested in next vs present.

If you could get a ton of good assets that could produce another star go for it, maybe New York would bite, but I don't think you'll get a great package for him.

The difference is the Heat lost Lebron for nothing and then lost Bosh for nothing. If they can get real assets for Butler then that puts us in much better shape than we were when LeBron left.

[MiamiLoyal926]

I don't think you're getting anywhere near a championship roster in the next half decade if you move Butler unless you can get a great player in the draft or clear out the roster and convince someone with all-NBA talent that they can win a championship with Bam and Herro making near maxes and they shouldn't stay with their current team for the super-max. I just don't see that happening without a crazy signing happening.

What are you so damn adamant about hanging on too? Butler has a max year or two before father time starts knocking. We are handcuffed. It’s been fun but time to do what’s best for him and our organization which needs a reboot into the future. If Butler was 30 different story.

How was your reboot going after LeBron left? 4-5 years later still just around a .500 team, throwing money at Waiters, J.Johnson, T.Johnson, Whiteside, that future is a real possibility for the next half decade for Miami for parting Butler out.

You guys are just way too interested in next vs present.

If you could get a ton of good assets that could produce another star go for it, maybe New York would bite, but I don't think you'll get a great package for him.

Let’s at least state all the variables that led to a difficult reboot:

1) All our draft capital was owed to Toronto and Cavs for the last decade.
2) The last bit of trade capital we had we successfully traded for Dragic giving us a good shot with a squad of Dragic/Wade/Deng/Bosh/Whiteside.
3) We immediately lost Bosh days after the trade which was an extreme loss to the team with no hope of salvation to flip that loss since it was a medical concern that eventual led to retirement during Bosh’s prime years.
4) We just now have nearly recovered from the Bosh/James/Dragic trades that handcuffed us for the last decade.

AirP, you are usually pretty good at recognizing all the facts. I will give you a slide as you weren’t around during the years after James until Butler arrived. The fact is that no draft picks and one of your all time best players going down and having to retire was the reason our reboot took longer… this time around, we have all our draft picks past 2025. We also have a young core that is looking promising at the start of this season(verdict still out though).

[MiamiLoyal926]

What are you so damn adamant about hanging on too? Butler has a max year or two before father time starts knocking. We are handcuffed. It’s been fun but time to do what’s best for him and our organization which needs a reboot into the future. If Butler was 30 different story.

How was your reboot going after LeBron left? 4-5 years later still just around a .500 team, throwing money at Waiters, J.Johnson, T.Johnson, Whiteside, that future is a real possibility for the next half decade for Miami for parting Butler out.

You guys are just way too interested in next vs present.

If you could get a ton of good assets that could produce another star go for it, maybe New York would bite, but I don't think you'll get a great package for him.

The difference is the Heat lost Lebron for nothing and then lost Bosh for nothing. If they can get real assets for Butler then that puts us in much better shape than we were when LeBron left.

This too… being able to flip Butler for more assets plus the fact that we have most of our cupboard full this time around should help fast track a potential rebuild.