2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2

[DayofMourning]

And I 100% believe that Riley would trade Jimmy if they got a good offer. I dont believe for a second that hes being honest in his public statement.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If Bam is still struggling with playing a physical big next to him then i’ll tap out here but for phucks sakes we don’t even try and look for the right fit next to him anymore. Just 6’5 wings who weigh about 200 pounds that are shooting guards on any normal team. Chit most the those guys can’t even score or shoot efficiently next to him either. Haywood Highsmith is awful with the basketball in his hands if it’s not a spot up heave. JJJ has been awful too playing at the 4. Jovic has a good skill set compatible but still remains too soft for a true 4.

[DayofMourning]

If Bam is still struggling with playing a physical big next to him then i’ll tap out here but for phucks sakes we don’t even try and look for the right fit next to him anymore. Just 6’5 wings who weigh about 200 pounds that are shooting guards on any normal team. Chit most the those guys can’t even score or shoot efficiently next to him either. Haywood Highsmith is awful with the basketball in his hands if it’s not a spot up heave. JJJ has been awful too playing at the 4. Jovic has a good skill set compatible but still remains too soft for a true 4.

We have sabotaged ourselves with the small ball stuff. I guess we will have to fail miserably for it to come to an end.

[MettaWorldPanda]

And I 100% believe that Riley would trade Jimmy if they got a good offer. I dont believe for a second that hes being honest in his public statement.

There is no good offer. That’s why he said it lol. Teams don’t want to give up good assets for a player that wants a long term max at 36 years old. They’ll give up expiring’s or bad contracts and maybe a pick or two. Nothing worthwhile unless desperate to just get off.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If Bam goes to any team that has any functional PF and PG they are probably going to the finals. UD literally went on national TV and stated a great case why Bam needs a big next to him but the front office told him to shut up and doubled down on playing more 6’5 guys next to him. Now it’s been Larrson’s turn to play the 4 spot lol.

Did the front office give Spo a directive to not give Ware time on the floor with Bam? Or to not try Bam with Hassan back when he was a rookie? It feels like we keep searching for a boogeyman when the reality is even when given an option Spo has proven he will defer to playing small unless the big fits his prototype of a floor spacer/screener. Idk, maybe just maybe the guy who decides who will play needs to try something different.

I agree that Spo is also a major part of this but Riley and the guys up top also need to convey or atleast force his hand with the pieces. The best offseason we had at the 4 spot was when we signed Tucker and Markieff Morris to be his backup. In a perfect world yes I would love a big physical floor spacer next to Bam. Why has it been so difficult to find someone who can score and shoot next to Bam that has decent size? KO, Leonard, Tucker and Markieff all met the objective and yet two years now we can’t find anything close to that. Markieff unfortunately got hurt but we were completely on the right track getting a 6’9 PF 240 pounder who can play physical and shoot

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[batterybro42]

I would ship Butler out. Nobody is bigger than the franchise or the team. Miami has been an absolute model of an organization since Riley’s arrival. We have been to the finals 7 times in the last 18 years.

He’s 35 years old, and is no longer producing like a Max player. He doesn’t do anything with the team, travels by himself, and likes to “troll”. He had not accomplished anything before coming to Miami, and nearly won a title with the Heats guidance and support. Sorry we only surrounded him with the best role player in the NBA (Bam) an all star guard in Herro, a top 5 3pt shooter in Duncan along with vets like Dragic, Lowry, Love, and now Rozier.

I am pretty tired of the anti Heat narrative, I just want to see us get back to playing tough Heat basketball and it seems like Jimmy has drained the team of that. Guys don’t look engaged, and it doesn’t look fun.

The culture in Miami and the trust in the front office and coaching was our biggest asset, not sure who this guy thinks he is to act like he’s prime Kobe or MJ. He can find out the same way Shaq and Wade did in my opinion.

When I recently heard the Heat were allowing Jimmy to do things that never allowed LeBron to do that was enough for me. It’s time for him to go and return the standard to the organization. If you’re going to be selfish and full of drama you better be unbelievable, and the facts are he just isn’t anymore.

We got a guy who’s going all out for this team in Herro right now, and playing some great ball. Herro has been through countless trade rumors and been the subject of a lot of criticism and never once has he wavered on his commitment to the Heat. That’s a guy I’d be willing to give the opportunity to lead to the remained of this season and the next. At least we know he gives a damn, and will show up if he can and play his guts out for the logo. Time to get back to that being the thing that matters here.

Bam can go in the offseason too

Get a Gobert haul from a team like Hou, SA or OKC

I suppose they can try and build around Herro which won’t likely go anywhere and eventually result in getting a mini Mitchell haul for him

I don’t disagree with shipping Bam out either, I’ve heard some snide stuff from his camp too. He’s excelled in my opinion because of SPO, some would have you believe SPO is somehow holding this guy back. To me Bam is an accessory piece, he’s as good as what is around him. That means a lot to some teams, and that window of him being elite at doing it probably stretches another 2-3 years. I think the assets you can get for Bam outweigh his value on the next build window. The only reason you keep a guy like that is if you find him to be the standard keeper of the culture in Miami. I personally don’t view him like that, and I don’t see him having those qualities.

Miami will win when you put 15 guys out there who are completely bought in to what is going on. I’ve watched enough Heat basketball to know that. To win a title you need 2-3 elite players here doing that. If Miami upholds their standards like always we will have guys wanting to play here because of them.

I like the 2026 position Miami in. I want to see Jamie get more minutes and I want to see Ware playing more. Ware to me is very interesting moving forward for this team.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If Bam is still struggling with playing a physical big next to him then i’ll tap out here but for phucks sakes we don’t even try and look for the right fit next to him anymore. Just 6’5 wings who weigh about 200 pounds that are shooting guards on any normal team. Chit most the those guys can’t even score or shoot efficiently next to him either. Haywood Highsmith is awful with the basketball in his hands if it’s not a spot up heave. JJJ has been awful too playing at the 4. Jovic has a good skill set compatible but still remains too soft for a true 4.

THIS! I myself will tap out and admit defeat if they get the right fit next to him AND make him a scoring focal point and he doesn’t produce. Why is the franchise guy who’s getting extended the following summer for 3/150M getting neutered because you traded for Terry Rozier? 22 PPG prior to getting Terry down to 17 after getting Terry, usage I believe went from 28% down to 22%. I’ll tell you why, because we have WAY too money score first mentality players and Terry added to that for our only playmaker was overkill. Lowry always made an effort to get Bam the ball in his spots and even he wasn’t as good at it as Dragic but he at least tried.

Then you have him at 6’9 playing next to much smaller and weaker players, all the banging down low falls on his shoulders, all the rebounding falls on his shoulders, defending opposing bigs all falls on his shoulders (even tho Spo likes to get cute and put our 6’2 PG on them from time to time). Bam has said several times and especially last summer that he wants to play next to a big, he and Ware were hype this summer at the thought of playing next to each other Bam was saying how he finally had his big and all that and Spo just said “nah that’s not happening” and that has somehow resulted in the fanbase saying we play small because that’s what Bam wants to do so he can hide his offense get fuxking real.

People get mad if he has 8 shots in a game, sure sometimes he may be passive when he didn’t need to be but majority of the time he’s playing the exact way Spo wants him playing with this roster. I want to see him as a main scoring focal point for an entire season, I know he can average 24+ given the volume and a playmaker/solid fit next to him in the frontcourt. I see him do it every time guys are out and he’s asked to score more.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I personally think he’s mostly fed up with the small ball stuff and he doesn’t look happy to me out all out there playing anymore, think it’s finally killed the joy for him but who knows. I think the inefficiency mainly just comes from an inconsistent role and not being too involved quite often. I think he loves the city of Miami and loves the thought of being here but I think the on court product has just taken its toll. 82 games is a long ass time to ask a guy to anchor 50% of the floor essentially by himself and a massive portion of the playmaking, and solid portion of the scoring on the other end as well. Get him a playmaker and get him a big and let’s ride. Fuxk it try Ware, for all we know they might click instantly.

[batterybro42]

Reading some pages just now and all i gotta say is , there aint a single untradeable player on this team.. that icludes Bam and especially Herro.. yea Herro is having a career year, hes another guy looking for an extension thats why he is this motivated..

Bam… we have been waiting for him to unleash his potential and we have to accept that he is whT he has shown us..

Herro not due for an extension for 3 years. The career year is not about money. He's making a leap. And he's 24 turning 25. He still has room to go. Big question is can he be this consistently good by the end of the season and in the playoffs. And next season can he make the leap into All NBA level player, where Booker, Mitchell and Trae are. If he can get to All nba level then he's untradeable. He's not there yet

I have been extremely hard on Herro in the past. He’s made a believer out of me. Looks mature and composed playing right now. I’d like to see what he can do leading the team. I think he should get a try out this season and the next to do that. If it works out you can surround him with two Max players and another big piece or two with the space.

The way he’s played this season so far would be a passing grade for me.

[batterybro42]

If Bam is still struggling with playing a physical big next to him then i’ll tap out here but for phucks sakes we don’t even try and look for the right fit next to him anymore. Just 6’5 wings who weigh about 200 pounds that are shooting guards on any normal team. Chit most the those guys can’t even score or shoot efficiently next to him either. Haywood Highsmith is awful with the basketball in his hands if it’s not a spot up heave. JJJ has been awful too playing at the 4. Jovic has a good skill set compatible but still remains too soft for a true 4.

Some people would have you believe Bam should play PG and shoot a bunch of 3s. If you watched the game today Buddy looked like he could barely catch or handle the basketball and back to taking those questionable mid range hook shots because he’s not aggressive enough to force the rim issue despite being stronger and quicker than his matchup.

Bam needs to not mess around with the shooting stuff to me it has clearly hindered his game. He needs to just get back to being the try hard dunk man

[batterybro42]

If Bam is still struggling with playing a physical big next to him then i’ll tap out here but for phucks sakes we don’t even try and look for the right fit next to him anymore. Just 6’5 wings who weigh about 200 pounds that are shooting guards on any normal team. Chit most the those guys can’t even score or shoot efficiently next to him either. Haywood Highsmith is awful with the basketball in his hands if it’s not a spot up heave. JJJ has been awful too playing at the 4. Jovic has a good skill set compatible but still remains too soft for a true 4.

THIS! I myself will tap out and admit defeat if they get the right fit next to him AND make him a scoring focal point and he doesn’t produce. Why is the franchise guy who’s getting extended the following summer for 3/150M getting neutered because you traded for Terry Rozier? 22 PPG prior to getting Terry down to 17 after getting Terry, usage I believe went from 28% down to 22%. I’ll tell you why, because we have WAY too money score first mentality players and Terry added to that for our only playmaker was overkill. Lowry always made an effort to get Bam the ball in his spots and even he wasn’t as good at it as Dragic but he at least tried.

Then you have him at 6’9 playing next to much smaller and weaker players, all the banging down low falls on his shoulders, all the rebounding falls on his shoulders, defending opposing bigs all falls on his shoulders (even tho Spo likes to get cute and put our 6’2 PG on them from time to time). Bam has said several times and especially last summer that he wants to play next to a big, he and Ware were hype this summer at the thought of playing next to each other Bam was saying how he finally had his big and all that and Spo just said “nah that’s not happening” and that has somehow resulted in the fanbase saying we play small because that’s what Bam wants to do so he can hide his offense get fuxking real.

People get mad if he has 8 shots in a game, sure sometimes he may be passive when he didn’t need to be but majority of the time he’s playing the exact way Spo wants him playing with this roster. I want to see him as a main scoring focal point for an entire season, I know he can average 24+ given the volume and a playmaker/solid fit next to him in the frontcourt. I see him do it every time guys are out and he’s asked to score more.

There is a reason we don’t play Bam next to Ware and it’s not Ware who is at fault. Bam becomes very marginal as a true PF, but one day people will understand that. If Bam abused matchups against smaller players or effectively spaced the floor that wouldn’t be the case.

In order for Bam to effectively play next to Ware it would have to be Ware who spaced the floor from 3. Bam is a great fit next to a big like Embiid or Jokic. He’s not going to fit alongside a guy like current Ware, or a guys like Gobert or even Heat Whiteside. Bam is in his prime he is what he is. I think everybody hoped that offensive jump was coming but it’s just not in him to be a real 4, he’s a true small ball 5. If you’re going to play him with Ware you need three shooters in the lineup, see early Golden State with Draymond.

[dagger151]

And I 100% believe that Riley would trade Jimmy if they got a good offer. I don't believe for a second that he's being honest in his public statement.

I don't believe him either. There has to be something in the works involving a 3rd team to make it work. Nothing out there straight up to trade for thats worth it unless another team gets involved.

How about working a deal with Denver and Sacramento where Jimmy goes to the Nuggets, Porter Jr to Sacramento, and Fox to Miami. Fillers and/or picks to round it out.

I just don't see trading Jimmy for average players or a star on a bad contract.

A Herro/Fox/Bam trio would be fun to watch.

[twix2500]

What bothers me the most is how unorganized the offense looks. So much randomness and players just running into each other and then you see a quick hell mary

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[Flash4thewin]

If we are being honest, any trade for Fox would start with Hero, Ware and 4+ first round draft picks. Thats not saying it's a winning bid but a competitive one.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

July 2023: Traded 2029 2nd round pick and a 2030 2nd round pick to OKC for Victor Oladipo salary dump.
Feb 2023: Traded 2028 2nd round pick to San Antonio Spurs for Dewayne Dedmon salary dump.
Jul 2019: Traded 2022 2nd round pick, 2025 2nd round pick, 2026 2nd round pick to Indiana for KZ Okpala.
Lost a second round pick as a result of Kyle Lowry tampering investigation

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[Rapaz]

That’s a cute little deal by Ron Pelinga.

But just wait ‘till y’all see the ABSOLUTE BLOCKBUSTER Pat Riley is working on.

Stay lubed.

[MartianTimeSlip]

That’s a cute little deal by Ron Pelinga.

But just wait ‘till y’all see the ABSOLUTE BLOCKBUSTER Pat Riley is working on.

Stay lubed.