Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 6.0 -Everything's Gonna Be All Wright

[IceColdCubano]

Mitchell to Miami will be a pipe dream until its not.

I don't trust Gilbert or a random GM to do right by a player anymore, Cronin proved that, San Antonio sent K. leanard to Toronto with 1 year expiring on his deal with no fcks given.

I don't trust Pat Riley to go all in or with force outside of bidding cheap and making the negotiations painful and long, I don't trust he would be willing to dip deep into the jar for assets.

I don't trust Mitchell to tell them he wants Miami and only Miami we have said this about other players before, and they go and put other teams on the list either in the beginning or in the end but they eventually give in and it was never just us only.

Cleveland will also have to phase out pretty badly there this year and it looks like they'll probably moving to the second round rather comfortably so far. Their not capable of Beating Boston, but if the games are competitive or long series and he feels accomplished to try again with Cleveland strengthening the team in the off season as a promise it changes direction for his mindset enough to wait and see what they do were left hanging again waiting on the one guy and not looking elsewhere, while everyone else is getting signed or traded.

All I know is we've replayed this same video in all our heads way too many times for us to feel even remotely comfortable on a possibility like that playing out in our favor, for all those ducks to fall in a row, and for our FO to capitalize on every one of them, for the Agents to not screw it up, and for the GM's to also do right by their player have a consensual trade.

[jbsays]

I was thinking Suns may blow it up if they lose in the first round. I'd think they'd keep Booker due to his age. Durant might be the guy they move due to his age. But, the Heat's biggest salaries to match up with Durant's are both combo guards like BOoker. I don't think Suns would want either Rozier or Herro. Then you'd have to add in some of the young guys (Jaquez and Jovic) and I'm not sure it is worth it for a 35 year old Durant.

I'm not really impressed with Beal. He's only 30, but he's played 53, 50, and 40 games the last three years. I mean I guess if you can get him for something like Herro, Duncan, and picks. I don't think he's good enough to give up the young guys, KD would have been worth it, but he's 35 now. Jimmy will be 35 next year also. I don't like the idea 2/3 of a team's best players are 35 or older.

[Flash4thewin]

Im not saying some of us are delusional here with Mitchell but this previous offseason was a hard cold reality check. Another hard cold reality check is we dont have the cap space to sign him so even if he bluffs he wants to sign here, it will be at what the MLE? Ain't on one believing that. Thats not even factoring us getting our assess handed to us by the Celtics which makes our players look worse. Its kinda hard to even imagine a world where Mitchell is looking at the tv screen showing our box score saying yeah that team getting blown out of the water, thats the team I want to play for, thats the team I want to lose millions in a pay cut to play for. Thats the team im going to do everything I can to play for?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Im not saying some of us are delusional here with Mitchell but this previous offseason was a hard cold reality check. Another hard cold reality check is we dont have the cap space to sign him so even if he bluffs he wants to sign here, it will be at what the MLE? Ain't on one believing that. Thats not even factoring us getting our assess handed to us by the Celtics which makes our players look worse. Its kinda hard to even imagine a world where Mitchell is looking at the tv screen showing our box score saying yeah that team getting blown out of the water, thats the team I want to play for, thats the team I want to lose millions in a pay cut to play for. Thats the team im going to do everything I can to play for?

The Knicks with all their picks and Julius Randle’s contract could pose a problem. Mitchell is also a NY guy. If the Knicks have a good playoff run he’s going to have them very high on his list.

[MettaWorldPanda]

2025 first-round pick
2026 pick swap
2027 first-round pick
2028 pick swap
2029 first-round pick

These are the picks the Cavs gave up for Mitchell. They will undoubtedly be looking to recoup a good majority of these picks. They also gave up Lauri and Sexton. Not looking good for us. I also doubt we get Mitchell trying to pull off a Dame type request.

[Flash4thewin]

Im not saying some of us are delusional here with Mitchell but this previous offseason was a hard cold reality check. Another hard cold reality check is we dont have the cap space to sign him so even if he bluffs he wants to sign here, it will be at what the MLE? Ain't on one believing that. Thats not even factoring us getting our assess handed to us by the Celtics which makes our players look worse. Its kinda hard to even imagine a world where Mitchell is looking at the tv screen showing our box score saying yeah that team getting blown out of the water, thats the team I want to play for, thats the team I want to lose millions in a pay cut to play for. Thats the team im going to do everything I can to play for?

The Knicks with all their picks and Julius Randle’s contract could pose a problem. Mitchell is also a NY guy. If the Knicks have a good playoff run he’s going to have them very high on his list.

It's just hard for us because we dont have the assets or the favorable contracts. For example if we had Lowry and his 30 mil expiring contract, thats so much more tempting than Herro at the moment. A sleeper location would be the Nets, he gets access to NY market and the media but with zero pressure or expectations but that all depends on his character and how much he wants the Knicks.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

For those thinking Miami has the assets to acquire Mitchell, let's look at what Cleveland gave up for him.

* Sexton - Coming off injury, he's a young PG/SG that can put up 20+ ppg.
* Markkanen - Was just a good young big who exploded in Utah.
* Agbaji - Was a 2nd year player that was picked 14th overall.
* 3 1st round picks.
* 2 1st round swaps.

If you think Herro, Jaquez Jr and a couple of 1st are going to be enough, you'd probably be wrong, I'd expect Cleveland would take their chances in free agency resigning him.

https://www.nba.com/news/donovan-mitchell-traded-to-cavs

Miami needs to quit chasing players they can't get.

A couple of players that "could" be available...

If Phoenix can't get out of the first round, an older KD and quite possibly B.Beal could be available and pretty cheap in assets for their talent level. Miami would have to offload some money to a 3rd team more than likely.

They’re not getting anywhere near the value they got for Mitchell now that he’s 2 years older and expiring but Herro, 2 1sts and Jacquez or Jovic is a pretty good haul for a guy with those things working against him value wise

Herro who missed half the season this year and seems to miss significant time each season while being paid on average 30 mil and one other younger player with 2 1sts is a good haul for Mitchell? You better hope they think Herro can be a starting SG for a contender while also hoping nobody else is really wanting Mitchell.

For an expiring player who’s essentially a free agent it’s for damn sure a solid haul or if they want to lose him
For nothing go for it. I’d say they prefer the picks and young player though

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Mitchell and Brunson aren’t a good fit, those guys playing next to each other just neuters them. They also were too high on him last time he was available and didn’t want to include RJ who they traded for OG. Also have a big contract extension needed for OG. I don’t think they’ll be too heavily invested here.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Mitchell to Miami will be a pipe dream until its not.

I don't trust Gilbert or a random GM to do right by a player anymore, Cronin proved that, San Antonio sent K. leanard to Toronto with 1 year expiring on his deal with no fcks given.

I don't trust Pat Riley to go all in or with force outside of bidding cheap and making the negotiations painful and long, I don't trust he would be willing to dip deep into the jar for assets.

I don't trust Mitchell to tell them he wants Miami and only Miami we have said this about other players before, and they go and put other teams on the list either in the beginning or in the end but they eventually give in and it was never just us only.

Cleveland will also have to phase out pretty badly there this year and it looks like they'll probably moving to the second round rather comfortably so far. Their not capable of Beating Boston, but if the games are competitive or long series and he feels accomplished to try again with Cleveland strengthening the team in the off season as a promise it changes direction for his mindset enough to wait and see what they do were left hanging again waiting on the one guy and not looking elsewhere, while everyone else is getting signed or traded.

All I know is we've replayed this same video in all our heads way too many times for us to feel even remotely comfortable on a possibility like that playing out in our favor, for all those ducks to fall in a row, and for our FO to capitalize on every one of them, for the Agents to not screw it up, and for the GM's to also do right by their player have a consensual trade.

They’re not going to risk losing Mitchell for nothing next offseason when he’s clearly had 1 foot out the door since the second he got there

[3ammy3uck3ts]

2025 first-round pick
2026 pick swap
2027 first-round pick
2028 pick swap
2029 first-round pick

These are the picks the Cavs gave up for Mitchell. They will undoubtedly be looking to recoup a good majority of these picks. They also gave up Lauri and Sexton. Not looking good for us. I also doubt we get Mitchell trying to pull off a Dame type request.

I’ll gladly send any available 1st and swap needed to get it done. Sexton was a massive question mark coming off a season long injury and Lauri was a role player at best at the time. They can have anything outside of Jimmy and Bam for Mitchell as far as I’m concerned, that’s a franchise changing (for the better) move

[MHeat0279]

2025 first-round pick
2026 pick swap
2027 first-round pick
2028 pick swap
2029 first-round pick

These are the picks the Cavs gave up for Mitchell. They will undoubtedly be looking to recoup a good majority of these picks. They also gave up Lauri and Sexton. Not looking good for us. I also doubt we get Mitchell trying to pull off a Dame type request.

I’ll gladly send any available 1st and swap needed to get it done. Sexton was a massive question mark coming off a season long injury and Lauri was a role player at best at the time. They can have anything outside of Jimmy and Bam for Mitchell as far as I’m concerned, that’s a franchise changing (for the better) move

i will gladly give them Jimmy if they want him.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Cavs have literally no need for Randle with Mobley and Allen. At least with Herro (24) and potentially one or both of Jaime(23)/Jovic(20) they have some young pieces to try and build along with Garland (24), Mobley (22), and Allen (26).

Knicks only become a threat if they’re willing to unload a **** ton of 1st, which they weren’t willing to do a couple years ago

[IceColdCubano]

They’re not getting anywhere near the value they got for Mitchell now that he’s 2 years older and expiring but Herro, 2 1sts and Jacquez or Jovic is a pretty good haul for a guy with those things working against him value wise

Herro who missed half the season this year and seems to miss significant time each season while being paid on average 30 mil and one other younger player with 2 1sts is a good haul for Mitchell? You better hope they think Herro can be a starting SG for a contender while also hoping nobody else is really wanting Mitchell.

For an expiring player who’s essentially a free agent it’s for damn sure a solid haul or if they want to lose him
For nothing go for it. I’d say they prefer the picks and young player though

Heres my problem, I don't think its all one or the other Cleveland has other options. Its not lose him for nothing or get Miami's best offer. As weve already seen, GM's are willing to send guys to teams they don't want to go, also just like Toronto theyll be a team out there whos like ok we want a ring, Mitchell could get us there, if he leaves he leaves but we got a ring out of it. Mitchell also knows just like his agent does really well, these days teams do not have max player money cap space at least not the good ones anyway, not the contending teams. Chances of you finding yourself in free agency going to a team you want may not even be available, youll have to settle for a bad or middling team. There's way too many variables here, the one specifically is him asking for Miami and Miami only which is what will leverage us. If not contenders like New York whom have more pick capital could throw something that way that would beat ours. I think Cleveland is not going sit there and believe for one second their married to two choices, theyll do their diligence to go find other solutions. We know has this plays out, we sit there waiting all off season while everyone else does their thing making trades that are far easier, and in the end were left holding the salty cookie.

[MettaWorldPanda]

2025 first-round pick
2026 pick swap
2027 first-round pick
2028 pick swap
2029 first-round pick

These are the picks the Cavs gave up for Mitchell. They will undoubtedly be looking to recoup a good majority of these picks. They also gave up Lauri and Sexton. Not looking good for us. I also doubt we get Mitchell trying to pull off a Dame type request.

I’ll gladly send any available 1st and swap needed to get it done. Sexton was a massive question mark coming off a season long injury and Lauri was a role player at best at the time. They can have anything outside of Jimmy and Bam for Mitchell as far as I’m concerned, that’s a franchise changing (for the better) move

The hard cold facts are it's going to be a competition for his services. As poster above mentioned the Nets could also pose a problem as they have contracts and picks opening up for them. What do we basically have to trade pick wise other then the 15 and 2029? Also an empty cupboard of seconds. The realization is the Heat have done a poor job of building an asset chest to compete with some of these teams around the league. We had to pay a late 1st for Rozier in 2027 that converts to unprotected in 2028 so it locks up more years in trade. I liked the deal so I'm not going to complain much about that one. Herro is not a valued contract at this current time with the limited amount of picks we have.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

2025 first-round pick
2026 pick swap
2027 first-round pick
2028 pick swap
2029 first-round pick

These are the picks the Cavs gave up for Mitchell. They will undoubtedly be looking to recoup a good majority of these picks. They also gave up Lauri and Sexton. Not looking good for us. I also doubt we get Mitchell trying to pull off a Dame type request.

I’ll gladly send any available 1st and swap needed to get it done. Sexton was a massive question mark coming off a season long injury and Lauri was a role player at best at the time. They can have anything outside of Jimmy and Bam for Mitchell as far as I’m concerned, that’s a franchise changing (for the better) move

i will gladly give them Jimmy if they want him.

That’d only sit right with me if we had a 2nd move bringing in a 3rd all star that fit the Bam/Mitchell timeline.

For me the move to acquire Mitchell is an all in move right now with Jimmy (top 5 playoff performer in the league) and Bam to win a championship now and also to roll into the next era after Jimmy with 2 solidified all stars. Big 3 is needed one way or another

[IceColdCubano]

Cavs have literally no need for Randle with Mobley and Allen. At least with Herro (24) and potentially one or both of Jaime(23)/Jovic(20) they have some young pieces to try and build along with Garland (24), Mobley (22), and Allen (26).

Knicks only become a threat if they’re willing to unload a **** ton of 1st, which they weren’t willing to do a couple years ago

with the knicks, that was before they felt they were contenders, now they feel like their second to only the celtics in the eastern conference. And if they get to the Eastern Finals and lose in a competitive fashion, why not go get the guy to get your over the hump, go all in on the Brunson/OG build.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Time will tell, teams are going to be very hesitant to trade for a star unless they’re sure he wants to be there. Everything I see tells me he wants Miami and I’m sure Wade has been in his ear and Bam likely will as well (again). I like our chances regardless of other teams, the only thing that worries me is Pat being stubborn and offer **** on a stick without the willingness to negotiate or they still blindly believe Herro is even in the same stratosphere as Mitchell as a player

[MettaWorldPanda]

I’ll gladly send any available 1st and swap needed to get it done. Sexton was a massive question mark coming off a season long injury and Lauri was a role player at best at the time. They can have anything outside of Jimmy and Bam for Mitchell as far as I’m concerned, that’s a franchise changing (for the better) move

i will gladly give them Jimmy if they want him.

That’d only sit right with me if we had a 2nd move bringing in a 3rd all star that fit the Bam/Mitchell timeline.

For me the move to acquire Mitchell is an all in move right now with Jimmy (top 5 playoff performer in the league) and Bam to win a championship now and also to roll into the next era after Jimmy with 2 solidified all stars. Big 3 is needed one way or another

Our all in move is not really attractive. That's the problem when we keep going after these big names. There's always that sleeper team out there with a better all in move due to years of building there draft pick cupboard. Our cap sheet is also piss poor to top it all off.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Cavs have literally no need for Randle with Mobley and Allen. At least with Herro (24) and potentially one or both of Jaime(23)/Jovic(20) they have some young pieces to try and build along with Garland (24), Mobley (22), and Allen (26).

Knicks only become a threat if they’re willing to unload a **** ton of 1st, which they weren’t willing to do a couple years ago

with the knicks, that was before they felt they were contenders, now they feel like their second to only the celtics in the eastern conference. And if they get to the Eastern Finals and lose in a competitive fashion, why not go get the guy to get your over the hump, go all in on the Brunson/OG build.

Mitchell and Brunson would be so overlapping that it would be counterproductive. Basically what you’re seeing in Cleveland right now, Garland is a damn good player who would easily be our 3rd best player but he’s been forgotten about with Mitchell there and he’s no defensive stud to make up for it.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Time will tell, teams are going to be very hesitant to trade for a star unless they’re sure he wants to be there. Everything I see tells me he wants Miami and I’m sure Wade has been in his ear and Bam likely will as well (again). I like our chances regardless of other teams, the only thing that worries me is Pat being stubborn and offer **** on a stick without the willingness to negotiate or they still blindly believe Herro is even in the same stratosphere as Mitchell as a player

I think we can trade Herro but it's going to be for someone on a chit contract that has warts himself that you have to hope the change of scenery allows for us to cash in on the value. Think someone like Zach LaVine or Brandon Ingram.