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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#1521 » by Flash4thewin » Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:35 pm

twix2500 wrote:Im trying to stay out of this but I have to step in. Comparing Wares development to Whiteside attitude is way out of line. Whiteside had an uncontrollable bad attitude. He was getting ejected out of games and dogging games when he wasn't happy with players or the coaches. What Spo is saying isn't out of the norm. What Spo talking about is what all young players have to learn, is the basics of professionalism. Spo was comparing Jovic and Ware development of how to be a professional which takes a few YEARS. Meaning creating a daily habits and routine, goals and building and which also includes studying. He says Jovic has improved in his professionalism and still improving and Ware has a long way to go. This is not Ware has a bad attitude like Whiteside. This has gotten way out of hand comparing him to Whiteside


It’s the dog days of summer so this is expected. The thing that caught me off guard and made me laugh is the Jovic comparison and the reminder that to this day what 4 years in Jovic doesn’t get consistent playing time.

Spo and the Heat have a system that works for certain type of player but at the same time it can also lose a player. Wiggins with Kerr and constant basically cuddling was a huge contributing factor to the last Warriors championship. Wiggins and Spo well he is just going through the motions and not even bothering to do an exit interview.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#1522 » by Daffy » Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:40 pm

I know Ware is an easy target, but please stop digging so deeply into a very very short clip posted by Five Reason Sports at that. We dont know the full context and intensity of the practice or the drill. Some practices are just for position, to build muscle memory, etc.
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Post#1523 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:42 pm

twix2500 wrote:Im trying to stay out of this but I have to step in. Comparing Wares development to Whiteside attitude is way out of line. Whiteside had an uncontrollable bad attitude. He was getting ejected out of games and dogging games when he wasn't happy with players or the coaches. What Spo is saying isn't out of the norm. What Spo talking about is what all young players have to learn, is the basics of professionalism. Spo was comparing Jovic and Ware development of how to be a professional which takes a few YEARS. Meaning creating a daily habits and routine, goals and building and which also includes studying. He says Jovic has improved in his professionalism and still improving and Ware has a long way to go. This is not Ware has a bad attitude like Whiteside. This has gotten way out of hand comparing him to Whiteside


Yes he may not be as extreme as Whiteside (from the little we know) but the motor/professionalism issues are a common theme between the 2. Whiteside was the bigger head case; he was also the better player (again, from what we’ve seen so far). Let’s see how this progresses. If the season starts and he’s lost his starting job and starts getting yanked from games again because he’s pissing Spo off from his lack of trying like what happened in the Cavs series are we going to continue to gloss over it or will we then acknowledge he has character issues that need to be resolved? Luckily he’s young and they can hopefully mold him into what they want him to be.
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Post#1524 » by Daffy » Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:44 pm

As much as I dislike fat Ernny he said the same thing. That clip was posted with a motive. 5 reason sports posted NO other clips. Let's not be that gullible fan base guys.
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Post#1525 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:44 pm

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I don’t know if that is the case but if it is then Spo is the problem and he needs to go. Heat can’t keep chasing mediocrity because he can’t improve as a coach and develop young players with patience and let them go through their growing pains. He asks others to sacrifice but is he willing to sacrifice some meaningless wins to do what is best for the team? I feel I’ve seen this too many times with him.

This team doesn’t need a coach that is only thinking of now rather than the future. Even Riley as coach knew when it was time to blow it up and did so twice after Zo and after Shaq. But he gives Spo leeway to coach as he sees fit. We’ve seen over the years it is at odds with how the team is built.

He’s been around a long time and is probably too old and stubborn to go through with the best process for this. He might be better off like Doc Rivers now and jump from team to team to coach veteran playoff teams.


If you are raising an entitled child who does not put in the work and just expects to be rewarded, what do you do? Especially if what they do produce and contribute to the household is half-a**ed?

I don’t know about you, but if my son is just collecting without giving, I am putting him through the wringer. Especially if I know he can give me more, but he is not and is coming in each day with an entitlement. A coach is not very different than a parent, especially when dealing with young drafted players. Those aren’t men yet, and you are their first real world experience after they left school… someone needs to give them the lessons on how to be an adult in an adult world. How to be a professional in a professional world.

Maybe it’s just me… but I would not raise an entitled child by giving them more of what they feel entitled to. They will need to work for it and earn it.


I don’t like this analogy. The players aren’t children and Spo isn’t their parent. They are professionals and colleagues. There are expectations from BOTH. It shouldn’t just be one sided. There is a lot to be desired from Spo when it comes to developing the drafted players. Even some guys like Whiteside and Duncan that the Heat dumped a lot of money into. As soon as they got paid they found themselves in Spo’s dog house. We’ll see how it progresses with the newer guys. Jaime is already on the same path. This sort of thing happens way to often here for it just be on the players.


Have you ever had to manage green employees straight out of college? Of course you would like for them to be pros and solid coworkers out the gate, but at the end of the day, they still lack real world experience and will have growing pains. That is why you usually hire them to entry level roles, do not give them a lot of responsibility at first, and as they prove themselves and rise to the occasion, you begin to expand their role.

That is also why many organizations assign mentors and colleagues to help onboard and get these entry level employees acclimated. When they don’t, management creates a prescriptive plan for areas of improvement. Why should that be any different in the NBA? Especially when you have players inking multi year contracts and thus the org has no choice but to see the player through their entire contract.

As such, you can take a nurturing approach like a parent or mentor/leader, or take a punitive approach like a boss. Either way, when a player does. Or have it in them to do it themselves, then you need to employ tactics and measures to nudge players in the right direction and/or hold players accountable to show up and put in the work every day. How do you suggest Spo go about it?
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Post#1526 » by twix2500 » Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:44 pm

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twix2500 wrote:Im trying to stay out of this but I have to step in. Comparing Wares development to Whiteside attitude is way out of line. Whiteside had an uncontrollable bad attitude. He was getting ejected out of games and dogging games when he wasn't happy with players or the coaches. What Spo is saying isn't out of the norm. What Spo talking about is what all young players have to learn, is the basics of professionalism. Spo was comparing Jovic and Ware development of how to be a professional which takes a few YEARS. Meaning creating a daily habits and routine, goals and building and which also includes studying. He says Jovic has improved in his professionalism and still improving and Ware has a long way to go. This is not Ware has a bad attitude like Whiteside. This has gotten way out of hand comparing him to Whiteside


It’s the dog days of summer so this is expected. The thing that caught me off guard and made me laugh is the Jovic comparison and the reminder that to this day what 4 years in Jovic doesn’t get consistent playing time.

Spo and the Heat have a system that works for certain type of player but at the same time it can also lose a player. Wiggins with Kerr and constant basically cuddling was a huge contributing factor to the last Warriors championship. Wiggins and Spo well he is just going through the motions and not even bothering to do an exit interview.


That's all leadership position everywhere in any job field. There is no one style coaching that fits all. The Heat have Malik Allen and Haslem coaching Ware, two post players who were not back to the basket players. Allen and Haslem we're pick n pop bigs. If Ware ever wants to become a one on one scorer he likely will have to reach out else where. That is why Kobe, Stat and Dwight Howard all reach out for private training with Olajuwon. Ware is likely not mature enough yet to go out on his own to get training yet.
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Post#1527 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:45 pm

Daffy wrote:I know Ware is an easy target, but please stop digging so deeply into a very very short clip posted by Five Reason Sports at that. We dont know the full context and intensity of the practice or the drill. Some practices are just for position, to build muscle memory, etc.


I don’t think anyone is trying to target him and we all want him to be great (especially if we’re making him unavailable for stars) but we ended the season with Spo furious at him and benching him, now he’s 3 games in to the summer league and majority of the time you wouldn’t even know he’s on the court if you weren’t looking for him and he’s obviously not playing hard at all when watching. This is his time to stand out
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Post#1528 » by twix2500 » Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:47 pm

My opinion, Ware never going to be a Big that bangs and move players. His strength is speed and quickness. Ware never going to be Al Jefferson
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Post#1529 » by jbsays » Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:48 pm

Ware is only 20. I don't think anything Spo said was bad or paints Ware in a bad light. Spo did deal with Beasley. He's trying to keep Ware on track.
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Post#1530 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:50 pm

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He can’t handle Vlad’s strength in the post.


I mean look at him, do you care at all?! I feel like this Goldin kid is the type that’s going to come in and work his ass off every day and he can example of what we want Ware to do, he may not be as talented or whatever but if he’s going to hustle, do the little things, and be engaged at all times not only will he improve but he’ll start to gain favor over Ware. He better hope we don’t do the Vucevic trade lol.

I’ve been pointing this out since the first SL game, he’s just out there acting like he’s too cool for school and going through the motions. He had 0 points 0 rebounds in the 2nd half the other night and everyone is just saying “it’s just summer league it doesn’t matter”. Thats just a cop out and it obviously matters to the Heat based on Spos comments. You should want to prove yourself and win every time you step on the court.

Looking forward to seeing how he responds to all this tonight.


This.

If ware is that good and too cool for school, he should be out shining all players even with his minimal effort. Heat tend to pull players out of rotation during SL once they have seen enough… clearly they have not seen enough from Ware.
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Post#1531 » by twix2500 » Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:54 pm

It's gonna be funny when the Heat get Kuminga and some gonna wonder why Kuminga doesn't play like Tracy McGrady lol
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Post#1532 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:58 pm

twix2500 wrote:It's gonna be funny when the Heat get Kuminga and some gonna wonder why Kuminga doesn't play like Tracy McGrady lol


Luckily we’re not interested in Kuminga.
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Post#1533 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Sun Jul 13, 2025 6:04 pm

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twix2500 wrote:It's gonna be funny when the Heat get Kuminga and some gonna wonder why Kuminga doesn't play like Tracy McGrady lol


Luckily we’re not interested in Kuminga.


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Post#1537 » by _GH0ST_ » Sun Jul 13, 2025 8:13 pm

Ware looks even thinner than last year. There were reports that he gained significant weight before the SL.
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Post#1538 » by Voltron914 » Sun Jul 13, 2025 8:15 pm

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He can’t handle Vlad’s strength in the post.



isn't he like 7"2 280lbs? lol we all know Ware has to work on his strength so that video isnt a knock on him. its actually a benefit to have a big body in practice for him to battle everyday
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Post#1539 » by CWebb2491 » Sun Jul 13, 2025 8:25 pm

twix2500 wrote:My opinion, Ware never going to be a Big that bangs and move players. His strength is speed and quickness. Ware never going to be Al Jefferson



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