Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[twix2500]

I don't mind taking the gamble on Derozen as long as it doesn't cost us future assets. He not a defender or shooter, and those are the most needed skills we really need to add to the guard rotation.

Willing to give up Kelly or Iggy + Nunn, not giving up draft picks/KZ/Duncan or anything else.

Don't see why Spurs should accept this.

If the Heat trade for Derozan, I think it will likely involve the 20th pick, which may end up the spurs giving the Heat their 2nd. I am thinking Iggy, KO (possibly Nunn) and the 20th pick for DeRozan and their 2nd. That is what I am thinking.

I have a feeling the Heat will try and get a 2nd some how to draft Quickley

Bad move to send out a rookie player in a deep draft for a 1 year rental of Derozen, He won't be here more then a year unless something went horribly wrong with all our plans.

We need good players on rookie deals if we plan to add a third star to Max Jimmy and Max Bam.

Heat will not trade for DeRozan at all if they believe he will be here for a year. Players of DeRozan, Holiday or Oladipo level player, the Heat will be getting them with the idea of being here for a while.

[RonaldSeikaly]

I don't mind taking the gamble on Derozen as long as it doesn't cost us future assets. He not a defender or shooter, and those are the most needed skills we really need to add to the guard rotation.

Willing to give up Kelly or Iggy + Nunn, not giving up draft picks/KZ/Duncan or anything else.

Don't see why Spurs should accept this.

If the Heat trade for Derozan, I think it will likely involve the 20th pick, which may end up the spurs giving the Heat their 2nd. I am thinking Iggy, KO (possibly Nunn) and the 20th pick for DeRozan and their 2nd. That is what I am thinking.

I have a feeling the Heat will try and get a 2nd some how to draft Quickley

Bad move to send out a rookie player in a deep draft for a 1 year rental of Derozen, He won't be here more then a year unless something went horribly wrong with all our plans.

We need good players on rookie deals if we plan to add a third star to Max Jimmy and Max Bam.

Typically I think you’re right especially the way that Heat have drafted recently. Between there being less information on players this year and that there will be no d league... this is pretty good year to trade out


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[RexBoyWonder]

If the Heat trade for Derozan, I think it will likely involve the 20th pick, which may end up the spurs giving the Heat their 2nd. I am thinking Iggy, KO (possibly Nunn) and the 20th pick for DeRozan and their 2nd. That is what I am thinking.

I have a feeling the Heat will try and get a 2nd some how to draft Quickley

Bad move to send out a rookie player in a deep draft for a 1 year rental of Derozen, He won't be here more then a year unless something went horribly wrong with all our plans.

We need good players on rookie deals if we plan to add a third star to Max Jimmy and Max Bam.

Typically I think you’re right especially the way that Heat have drafted recently. Between there being less information on players this year and that there will be no d league... this is pretty good year to trade out


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Unless you think Derozen puts us over the top, I don't see the point.

I don't think he makes us favorites to win the East, So why scarifies a Rookie that might be next Herro or the Next Bam in a year or 2, when we'll be really ready to contend with an added Max player and no cap space?

I don't get why people are so quick to dump first rounders for a rental if the player we get isn't a game changer.

Where would we be now if we traded the pick we used to get Bam on a player like Derozen in 2017?

Good players on rookie deals are a crucial key to team building in this CBA.

[RonaldSeikaly]

Bad move to send out a rookie player in a deep draft for a 1 year rental of Derozen, He won't be here more then a year unless something went horribly wrong with all our plans.

We need good players on rookie deals if we plan to add a third star to Max Jimmy and Max Bam.

Typically I think you’re right especially the way that Heat have drafted recently. Between there being less information on players this year and that there will be no d league... this is pretty good year to trade out


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Unless you think Derozen puts us over the top, I don't see the point.

I don't think he makes us favorites to win the East, So why scarifies a Rookie that might be next Herro or the Next Bam in a year or 2, when we'll be really ready to contend with an added Max player and no cap space?

I don't get why people are so quick to dump first rounders for a rental if the player we get isn't a game changer.

Where would we be now if we traded the pick we used to get Bam on a player like Derozen in 2017?

Good players on rookie deals are a crucial key to team building in this CBA.

If I were the GM I wouldn’t give up anything for deRosen. His value to me is about half the mid-level exception and no assets. But I am in favor of using that pick, ko, and Iggy for LMA.


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[twix2500]

Bad move to send out a rookie player in a deep draft for a 1 year rental of Derozen, He won't be here more then a year unless something went horribly wrong with all our plans.

We need good players on rookie deals if we plan to add a third star to Max Jimmy and Max Bam.

Typically I think you’re right especially the way that Heat have drafted recently. Between there being less information on players this year and that there will be no d league... this is pretty good year to trade out


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Unless you think Derozen puts us over the top, I don't see the point.

I don't think he makes us favorites to win the East, So why scarifies a Rookie that might be next Herro or the Next Bam in a year or 2, when we'll be really ready to contend with an added Max player and no cap space?

I don't get why people are so quick to dump first rounders for a rental if the player we get isn't a game changer.

Where would we be now if we traded the pick we used to get Bam on a player like Derozen in 2017?

Good players on rookie deals are a crucial key to team building in this CBA.

Championship teams after championship teams are built around veteran players not players on rookie deals. I get you are trying to do something that hasnt been done before by winning with a bunch of cheap inexperience players. I get the foresight but a lot of that had to do with being able to speed up the development via summer league and gleague. Rex this team would still be a lotto team if it didnt trade for Butler. Bam development might not have been as rapid

Gotta love Rex, he would build a team solely on draft picks. Rex love the kids (in my Trick Daddy Voice)

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If we use the majority of our MLE will be hard-capped. So basically we’ll have $45 M to work with this off-season including the MLE, re-signing our own players and the vet minimum that’s without any trades.

[twix2500]

If the Heat did not trade for Butler, Iggy and Crowder. How far would this team be with Winslow, Herro, Richardson and Bam?

I absolutely believe DeRozan could be a piece that put us over the top. Just like adding Butler propelled us to the finals. Just like adding Iggy and Crowder for Winslow. Lets put the Giannis discussion to the side and lets just talk DeRozan.

DeRozan is still a big time player. Just because he is not a top 5 player, does not mean he is not a game changer. How in the world adding a legit 20 point scorer to Butler, Dragic, Herro, Robinson and Bam as a unit got to the finals, not a game changer?

[AirP.]

Typically I think you’re right especially the way that Heat have drafted recently. Between there being less information on players this year and that there will be no d league... this is pretty good year to trade out


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Unless you think Derozen puts us over the top, I don't see the point.

I don't think he makes us favorites to win the East, So why scarifies a Rookie that might be next Herro or the Next Bam in a year or 2, when we'll be really ready to contend with an added Max player and no cap space?

I don't get why people are so quick to dump first rounders for a rental if the player we get isn't a game changer.

Where would we be now if we traded the pick we used to get Bam on a player like Derozen in 2017?

Good players on rookie deals are a crucial key to team building in this CBA.

If I were the GM I wouldn’t give up anything for deRosen. His value to me is about half the mid-level exception and no assets. But I am in favor of using that pick, ko, and Iggy for LMA.


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DeRozan gives Butler a chance to not to overexert his energy the first 3 quarters, in the regular season or the playoffs. His game will basically give you what Butler can give you as a scorer/playmaker so you can always have that type of CONSISTANT scorer/playmaker on the court at all times if Spoelstra wants. As good as Bam is, he's still not quite a triple threat, he has the skill to be, he just doesn't have the mindset quite yet. You replace Nunn/KO/Iggy with DeRozen in these last finals and you have a way more competitive finals.

Also, if a top tier or near top tier player becomes available(Giannis, Beal, Embiid, Harden, Lillard, Kawhi, Mitchell), you'll have a very intriguing package of DeRozen and Herro or Robinson put in a package for that player, they get a kid with huge upside and a proven scoring vet and his Bird rights.

Long term, if this team can be a top contender for the next few years, once the "older" guys are gone, younger guys may want to force their way to Miami because Spoelstra will have proven himself as a coach who can win without LeBron(which he's basically done already).

Also... interesting sidenote, San Antonio played DeRozen at PF. If Miami goes full on Bam and mobile bigs at Center, players like Butler, Crowder, DeRozen could be the new PFs for Miami, basically blurring the lines of positions getting closer to positionless basketball which is what the NBA is heading towards.

[Kobewade11]

The thing with Derozan is if you want to win it all you’re banking on him to not be what he’s always been when the stakes are highest, and thats somebody that cowers against the more talented competition.

[twix2500]

The thing with Derozan is if you want to win it all you’re banking on him to not be what he’s always been when the stakes are highest, and thats somebody that cowers against the more talented competition.

His failures was because he not good enough to be a solo star. Add him with Butler, Bam, Herro, Robinson and Dragic, now the weight is not all on his shoulders. Man this is the same conversation we had about Butler.

[AirP.]

The thing with Derozan is if you want to win it all you’re banking on him to not be what he’s always been when the stakes are highest, and thats somebody that cowers against the more talented competition.

That's why you have closers on your team, Butler is the closer. It's the same reason why Butler and Embiid could have worked great long term, Embiid handles the scoring load 3 - 3 1/2 quarters, Butler the triple threat(to have more options with scoring) closes the game.

[carnageta]

I don't mind taking the gamble on Derozen as long as it doesn't cost us future assets. He not a defender or shooter, and those are the most needed skills we really need to add to the guard rotation.

Willing to give up Kelly or Iggy + Nunn, not giving up draft picks/KZ/Duncan or anything else.

Don't see why Spurs should accept this.

If the Heat trade for Derozan, I think it will likely involve the 20th pick, which may end up the spurs giving the Heat their 2nd. I am thinking Iggy, KO (possibly Nunn) and the 20th pick for DeRozan and their 2nd. That is what I am thinking.

I have a feeling the Heat will try and get a 2nd some how to draft Quickley

Bad move to send out a rookie player in a deep draft for a 1 year rental of Derozen, He won't be here more then a year unless something went horribly wrong with all our plans.

We need good players on rookie deals if we plan to add a third star to Max Jimmy and Max Bam.

Knowing Pat, he would not trade so much for a player if he didn’t feel like the player could not be resigned a year later.

However, the move shouldn’t really interfere with our plans at all. The only way we wouldn’t resign DD (if he makes it clear he wants to be here before we trade for him) is if we get lucky with Giannis committing with us (unlikely) or a guy like Kawhi choosing us (very unlikely). After that, DD is literally one of the top choices. He seems like a guy who would be willing to accept less for more years if it gave him the opportunity to win a ring (which we will), so it would not surprise me at all if we resigned DD along with another star next off season, along with Bam, Butler and Herro.

[carnageta]

If the Heat did not trade for Butler, Iggy and Crowder. How far would this team be with Winslow, Herro, Richardson and Bam?

I absolutely believe DeRozan could be a piece that put us over the top. Just like adding Butler propelled us to the finals. Just like adding Iggy and Crowder for Winslow. Lets put the Giannis discussion to the side and lets just talk DeRozan.

DeRozan is still a big time player. Just because he is not a top 5 player, does not mean he is not a game changer. How in the world adding a legit 20 point scorer to Butler, Dragic, Herro, Robinson and Bam as a unit got to the finals, not a game changer?

I agree. He absolutely could put us over the top. He could be the missing piece.

I would like our chances in the East with Derozan added alongside Butler, Bam, Herro, Dragic, Duncan, Crowder, etc.

[RonaldSeikaly]

Unless you think Derozen puts us over the top, I don't see the point.

I don't think he makes us favorites to win the East, So why scarifies a Rookie that might be next Herro or the Next Bam in a year or 2, when we'll be really ready to contend with an added Max player and no cap space?

I don't get why people are so quick to dump first rounders for a rental if the player we get isn't a game changer.

Where would we be now if we traded the pick we used to get Bam on a player like Derozen in 2017?

Good players on rookie deals are a crucial key to team building in this CBA.

If I were the GM I wouldn’t give up anything for deRosen. His value to me is about half the mid-level exception and no assets. But I am in favor of using that pick, ko, and Iggy for LMA.


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DeRozan gives Butler a chance to not to overexert his energy the first 3 quarters, in the regular season or the playoffs. His game will basically give you what Butler can give you as a scorer/playmaker so you can always have that type of CONSISTANT scorer/playmaker on the court at all times if Spoelstra wants. As good as Bam is, he's still not quite a triple threat, he has the skill to be, he just doesn't have the mindset quite yet. You replace Nunn/KO/Iggy with DeRozen in these last finals and you have a way more competitive finals.

Also, if a top tier or near top tier player becomes available(Giannis, Beal, Embiid, Harden, Lillard, Kawhi, Mitchell), you'll have a very intriguing package of DeRozen and Herro or Robinson put in a package for that player, they get a kid with huge upside and a proven scoring vet and his Bird rights.

Long term, if this team can be a top contender for the next few years, once the "older" guys are gone, younger guys may want to force their way to Miami because Spoelstra will have proven himself as a coach who can win without LeBron(which he's basically done already).

Also... interesting sidenote, San Antonio played DeRozen at PF. If Miami goes full on Bam and mobile bigs at Center, players like Butler, Crowder, DeRozen could be the new PFs for Miami, basically blurring the lines of positions getting closer to positionless basketball which is what the NBA is heading towards.

Is he really that good of a Jimmy Backup? Jimmy is effectively our leader, point guard and plays excellent defense. The overlap is that both are very efficient and great at drawing foals.... which outside of the a few playoff games really wasn’t the most important thing Jimmy brought to the table.


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[Kobewade11]

The thing with Derozan is if you want to win it all you’re banking on him to not be what he’s always been when the stakes are highest, and thats somebody that cowers against the more talented competition.

His failures was because he not good enough to be a solo star. Add him with Butler, Bam, Herro, Robinson and Dragic, now the weight is not all on his shoulders. Man this is the same conversation we had about Butler.

I never saw Jimmy look like a punk in the playoffs. There’s no shame in competing and losing, but that wasnt the rap with Derozan in Toronto. He just played like a chump.

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Great low cost addition. 100+ 3pt made on 37% shooting. Great depth, in our offense could have Jae Crowder-esque viability and a boost in his production.

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Great low cost addition. 100+ 3pt made on 37% shooting. Great depth, in our offense could have Jae Crowder-esque viability and a boost in his production.

Leads me to believe Matthews is gonna fill a vacancy that will open up on the Heat roster. Matthews is still a high level role player. Where will he be slotted?

PG: _____? - Dragic - Nunn
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Iggy
PF: _____? - Okpala
Ce: Adebayo - Olynyk

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Great low cost addition. 100+ 3pt made on 37% shooting. Great depth, in our offense could have Jae Crowder-esque viability and a boost in his production.

Leads me to believe Matthews is gonna fill a vacancy that will open up on the Heat roster. Matthews is still a high level role player. Where will he be slotted?

PG: _____? - Dragic - Nunn
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Iggy
PF: _____? - Okpala
Ce: Adebayo - Olynyk

I don’t have cap specifics but how much space would the Heat have if they renounced Jae Crowders cap hold?

[Beenie]

I really don't understand the Matthews' fit and where his minutes will be coming from.