Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[RonaldSeikaly]

I really don't understand the Matthews' fit and where his minutes will be coming from.

I sent this lineup out earlier

SG Herro Nunn Defensive guard@ min
PG Butler Dragic Vincent
SF Robinson Matthews Hill (@vet min)
PF Crowder Okapala (.5 MLE) Haslem
C Adebayo Aldridge 2-way

I assume Iggy and KO are getting traded


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[twix2500]

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Great low cost addition. 100+ 3pt made on 37% shooting. Great depth, in our offense could have Jae Crowder-esque viability and a boost in his production.

Leads me to believe Matthews is gonna fill a vacancy that will open up on the Heat roster. Matthews is still a high level role player. Where will he be slotted?

PG: _____? - Dragic - Nunn
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Iggy
PF: _____? - Okpala
Ce: Adebayo - Olynyk

I don’t have cap specifics but how much space would the Heat have if they renounced Jae Crowders cap hold?

I'm sure Crowder will have a deal in place the day free agency starts.

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[heater4life]

I'm sure Crowder will have a deal in place the day free agency starts.

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I’m not so sure. I’m sure they want him back, but is he willing to accept a 1 year deal?

In the case he doesn’t, what could the Heat pursue after resigning Dragic. A Wes Matthews addition at the minimum is a nice addition.

[AirP.]

If I were the GM I wouldn’t give up anything for deRosen. His value to me is about half the mid-level exception and no assets. But I am in favor of using that pick, ko, and Iggy for LMA.


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DeRozan gives Butler a chance to not to overexert his energy the first 3 quarters, in the regular season or the playoffs. His game will basically give you what Butler can give you as a scorer/playmaker so you can always have that type of CONSISTANT scorer/playmaker on the court at all times if Spoelstra wants. As good as Bam is, he's still not quite a triple threat, he has the skill to be, he just doesn't have the mindset quite yet. You replace Nunn/KO/Iggy with DeRozen in these last finals and you have a way more competitive finals.

Also, if a top tier or near top tier player becomes available(Giannis, Beal, Embiid, Harden, Lillard, Kawhi, Mitchell), you'll have a very intriguing package of DeRozen and Herro or Robinson put in a package for that player, they get a kid with huge upside and a proven scoring vet and his Bird rights.

Long term, if this team can be a top contender for the next few years, once the "older" guys are gone, younger guys may want to force their way to Miami because Spoelstra will have proven himself as a coach who can win without LeBron(which he's basically done already).

Also... interesting sidenote, San Antonio played DeRozen at PF. If Miami goes full on Bam and mobile bigs at Center, players like Butler, Crowder, DeRozen could be the new PFs for Miami, basically blurring the lines of positions getting closer to positionless basketball which is what the NBA is heading towards.

Is he really that good of a Jimmy Backup? Jimmy is effectively our leader, point guard and plays excellent defense. The overlap is that both are very efficient and great at drawing foals.... which outside of the a few playoff games really wasn’t the most important thing Jimmy brought to the table.

He's not Butler, but offensively his playstyle somewhat mimic's Butlers with some differences.

Both are able to score and be a playmaker for others, they're triple threats that are weak shooting 3s. DeRozen is a more skilled scorer in the midrange where Butler is more of a guy who does have skill but usually utilizes his strength and determination to score way more which of course is much more draining on a body. This is why I advocate leaning on DeRozen the first 3 quarters and if he's still effective, keep riding him but once he isn't effective you have Butler to play bully ball.

Lets look at these 2, first... per36 from last year
Butler 21.3 pts, 7.1 reb, 6.4 ast, 2.3 TO, .585 TS
DeRozen 23.4 pts, 5.8 reb, 5.9 ast, 2.5 TO, .603 TS

DeRozen isn't the defender Butler can be but he doesn't have to be, if you're running a starting lineup of Herro, Butler, Robinson, DeRozen, and Bam, you're basically playing positionless defense so you're able to switch all the time and if you go to the zone, you have some pretty good size to clog more of the passing lanes. Offensively you'd still want to have 2 knock down 3pt shooters but you'd also have 4 playmakers on the court which you'd expect an offense with good movement would result in a good amount of high percentage shots.

DeRozen isn't your guy to depend on in the clutch, he's your scorer to keep your team scoring consistently throughout a game, think of minimizing those horrific 2nd and 3rd quarters which would allow Miami to not have to exert so much energy at the end to win games.

Miami has their closer in Butler, hopefully someone else younger takes over in a few years, what Miami now needs is a more consistent offense to quit putting themselves in pretty sizable holes they have to dig out of.

There are other options for Miami, Miami could get a sign and trade for Gallinari which would help with more consistent scoring, he doesn't have to be added with open cap space. At this point, if Miami is getting another big player this summer and maybe next, those 1st round protections on the picks OKC have could be removed without it impacting Miami, they're going to be later 1st round picks so the protections probably won't matter anyway.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

No purpose of even talk about Derozan as a three point shooter. That will not be his role. His role will be to draw double teams so shooters get open.

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It's not about making him a 3pt specialist or something. It's about knowing there's a spot on the floor he can occupy where he won't be an offball spacing liability. The same spot where we tried to hide Iggy and DJJ (with miserable results)

That will not be his role, its a waste of time analyzing him as a spacer for the paint. He will be a primary ball handler and cutter to create space for three point shooters. He will draw double teams. Off the ball he is a excellent cutter and finishing off of fast breaks. Iggy and DJJ are solely off the ball players. He will have Winslow role that everyone wanted offensively

I get shooting is his weakness just as it is for Butler and Bam. If he is added to the Heat he will not be used to run to a corner and stand there. He will likely stagger with Bam and Butler and being a primary ball handler. And even thou he is not a shooter teams do not ignore him, because he will score regardless. Again he will create spacing because teams will double him.

There will be some changes to the role players. May add more high volume 3 point shooter like Gallinari, Quickley and Wesley Matthews types.

Just throwing out possible rotation or lineups

PG: DeRozan
SG: Butler
SF: Robinson
PF: Gallinari
Ce: Adebayo

PG: Dragic
SG: Herro
SF: DeRozan
PF: Matthews
Ce: Adebayo

PG: Quickley
SG: Herro
SF: DeRozan
PF: Okpala
Ce: Leonard
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My man I think we actually have the same view of Derozan. The corner 3% was simply my final note on him to illustrate that he won't kill our spacing on plays that aren't run for him, specifically high pick/screen-n-rolls and direct handoff action with Bam where offball players clear the paint by cutting to and spotting up in the corners. Not saying he'd be brought here as a designated spot up shooter, but there will be occasion where he isn't involved in a play's primary action and so his 40% corner 3 is useful there

[RexBoyWonder]

I really don't understand the Matthews' fit and where his minutes will be coming from.

can never have too much shooting or wing depth.

if its for less then MLE, good move.

and we weaken the bucks too.

[AirP.]

I really don't understand the Matthews' fit and where his minutes will be coming from.

Adding Matthews at the minimum would give them another good defensive player to play at the end of games and also adding Matthews gives Miami more options on trades before and during the season.

[RonaldSeikaly]

I really don't understand the Matthews' fit and where his minutes will be coming from.

Adding Matthews at the minimum would give them another good defensive player to play at the end of games and also adding Matthews gives Miami more options on trades before and during the season.

Mathews isn’t coming for the minimum, it’s going to take at least half the mid level exception


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[carnageta]

Love Mathews. Resign Crowder.

Butler
Mathews
Herro
Crowder
Bam


The Kentucky/Marquette squad will be ready to role out.

[Beenie]

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Kevin Durant, James Harden and Kyrie Irving on the same team with a two-year window to win and no money for any other player. It will be interesting to watch. I'll give them an 85% chance that one of them won't play during the playoffs due to injury.

[Beenie]

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Kevin Durant, James Harden and Kyrie Irving on the same team with a two-year window to win and no money for any other player. It will be interesting to watch. I'll give them an 85% chance that one of them won't play during the playoffs due to injury.

They'd be must-see tv just to witness the inevitable implosion.

[JLop]

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Kevin Durant, James Harden and Kyrie Irving on the same team with a two-year window to win and no money for any other player. It will be interesting to watch. I'll give them an 85% chance that one of them won't play during the playoffs due to injury.

They'd be must-see tv just to witness the inevitable implosion.

[twix2500]

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Kevin Durant, James Harden and Kyrie Irving on the same team with a two-year window to win and no money for any other player. It will be interesting to watch. I'll give them an 85% chance that one of them won't play during the playoffs due to injury.

They'd be must-see tv just to witness the inevitable implosion.

Dan Antoni is the coach right?

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[heater4life]

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Please! Make this happen! If there’s anything I learned with the Heat during big 3, there’s only one ball. And with 3 ball hogs, glory full implosion!

Also greater chance of upsetting Giannis.

[3ballbomber]

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Kevin Durant, James Harden and Kyrie Irving on the same team with a two-year window to win and no money for any other player. It will be interesting to watch. I'll give them an 85% chance that one of them won't play during the playoffs due to injury.

They'd be must-see tv just to witness the inevitable implosion.

No diff to CP & Westbrook playing beside Harden. KD & Kyrie will struggle to coexist also. It'll be Nets downfall.

[Bishop45]

Internet would explode if that went thru. A healthy KD/Harden duo would be fire, don't like Myrie's fit much but talent figures things out. With Nash as head coach, it would be one of my favorite PG's all time coaching one of my present day favorites-- better than him going to Philly

[Beenie]

Ashley Nichole, the same "reporter" who recently posted that Giannis is open to signing an extension with Mia if traded there, is now saying Booker wants out of Phoenix and Mia would perhaps make Herro available to get him. She's restricted her account so I'm unable to post the tweet.

[3ballbomber]

Ashley Nichole, the same "reporter" who recently posted that Giannis is open to signing an extension with Mia if traded there, is now saying Booker wants out of Phoenix and Mia would perhaps make Herro available to get him. She's restricted her account so I'm unable to post the tweet.

She also stated, in her opinion, realistically, Giannis or Bradley Beal are the only “big name” guys that has any validity in securing.

[Kobewade11]

The tweet in question.

the rumors are Devin Booker wants out of Phoenix.

i’m told Miami’s front office has more information on the validity of those rumors — explaining the talks of Booker being on their “short list” of players Tyler Herro would be made available for. #HeatTwitter