2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2

[carnageta]

The Heat declined to include either Jaime or Jovic in a trade with the Suns? I don't buy that at all. Wiggins + 20th pick was never going to be enough lol, and I'm sure the FO knew that.

[wade44]

Don’t think people realize how bad some of these Heat contracts are. There’s NO teams that want negative value players especially in a time where there’s a cap crunch and teams trying to shed salary.

I’d be willing to let Herro walk before giving him 50 million per season. You already know that contract quickly becomes one of the worst in the league the second he signs it

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Guessing the offer was likely wiggs or rozier, Duncan, and maybe 20 if the reports about not including jj, jovic, highsmith, and ware are true.

They weren’t including 20 either. The deal was literally probably Wiggins and Duncan.

[Vertical Limit]

I like how people are dismissing Jalen Green as just a volume shooter that chokes in the playoffs sounds like some white guy on our team seeking 3 years 150 million … except Jalen Green attacking ability and athleticism makes him a superior player and his ceiling much higher.

He's not a better player but has a higher ceiling.
Now look if someone got to Jalen Green and got him to care about defense, fix his shot selection and play team basketball he could be a really impactful player for a contender. Physically he has the tools. But his habits suck. There's no reason he can't be a plus wing defender.

He's young so maybe he can change and play ball the right way but I doubt it. I think he just cares about getting buckets and that's it.

That's not saying that I want to pay Herro 50 mil a season. Their situations are mutually exclusive, we don't really need to compare them.

No GM in the league prefers Herro over Green. And there is no need to compare, Jalen is better.

Just a week ago, i posted on this very thread lets do the following trade:

Herro
Robinson
#20 pick

For Durant

We avoid the contract extension talks with Herro, we dont get sucked into overpaying him at 50 million per season

All of you said thats an overpay, some acted like Herro was untradeable and untouchable

What did phoenix get? An extraordinarily better offer than the “overpay” offer i proposed.

A better player with a higher ceiling in Herro
Dillon Brooks
Th #10th pick
And five seconds

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Guessing the offer was likely wiggs or rozier, Duncan, and maybe 20 if the reports about not including jj, jovic, highsmith, and ware are true.

The report is kinda ambiguous. Could be that Suns wanted ALL of what you mentioned and HEAT weren't willing to do that.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Everything will be just fine!

[HeatIn5]

Pat wouldn’t put Highsmith in the deal?! Jesus.

I’ll remember that when we are 15 games under .500.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The Heat declined to include either Jaime or Jovic in a trade with the Suns? I don't buy that at all. Wiggins + 20th pick was never going to be enough lol, and I'm sure the FO knew that.

Bro it’s Shams lol it doesn’t get more legit. They wouldn’t include any of Jovic Jaime 20th pick or fuxking Highsmith. Idc which way you lean on it but you know that’s wild.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Guessing the offer was likely wiggs or rozier, Duncan, and maybe 20 if the reports about not including jj, jovic, highsmith, and ware are true.

The report is kinda ambiguous. Could be that Suns wanted ALL of what you mentioned and HEAT weren't willing to do that.

Ya, you really think the Suns wanted Highsmith? lmao

[miamiballer]

Well on the other hand kd alone wasn’t gonna fix us so might as well keep our picks and rebuild properly

[EMC5466]

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[oreon]

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Front office stans, defend this decision in a way that makes it make sense to us who are critical of just how much this front office has fallen off a cliff.

I don't think there's any FO stans left imo Pretty much everyone on this board wants Pat to retire

There's is just disagreement on whether they should have traded KD or not

For us anti-KD trade, I think FO had a similar view. Its not so much about KD but the rest of the team. The team is so bad, that you needed a prime KD to make them anywhere close to contenders. And this isn't a prime KD, so why put a ton of assets for a move thats unlikely to work

I think they made the right decision here. KD needs to be a situation like Houston where the team is close. Miami isn't close

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The report is kinda ambiguous. Could be that Suns wanted ALL of what you mentioned and HEAT weren't willing to do that.

Ya, you really think the Suns wanted Highsmith? lmao

You’re disputing the top reporter in the world. This reminds me of the copium in here when every said he was lying that Jimmy was going to be traded

[SA37]

Jalen Green is a better asset than Jaime and Jovic combined.

10th pick > 20th pick + a future 20th pick (how are we kidding ourselves about this?).

Wiggins and Brooks basically cancel each other out - both are role players / glue guys.


5 2nds > Duncan's cap relief lmao.

Yes, Jalen Green is a better prospect. But you have to pay $100+M to find out just how much.

So what lol. Bottom line is he's a better prospect, and the 10th pick is better than the 20th pick + a future lottery protected FRP. Lets not kid ourselves - if we were the Suns we would want the better package and wouldn't give a sh*t about how much the FO is saving in money

So you send the future pick unprotected duh.

You clearly don't understand how the 2nd apron works or how it affects teams' ability to trade and the restrictions it brings on draft capital.

That aside, Miami has overvalued their young pieces if the rumor of them being unwilling to include Jovic, Jaquez...etc is true. But that's only speculation.

But let's stop pretending Houston's offer was unbeatable when all reports have said Phoenix thought they were sifting through **** offers from everyone, including reporting that Houston made a "take it or leave it" offer for Durant, according to Amick.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Houston just killed it with this deal.

They unloaded green, who is an inefficient one way player with below average defense, in return for kd. Kd is surrounded by athletic switchable defenders, something he didn't have in Phoenix after playing with Beal and book. I would not be surprised if he hinted at green to be jettisoned.

I expect wiggins for derozan rumors to be bandied about next.

Keep Wiggins and trade Herro unless Miami can get Herro to accept significantly less than he is eligible for in an extension. Herro is worth ~$30M/year, but not $40+M/year.

Unlikely. The team will go all in on herro. And going by some of the pods I've listened to and read on message boards, heat fans are all in on Tyler more than any other heat player right now.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Front office stans, defend this decision in a way that makes it make sense to us who are critical of just how much this front office has fallen off a cliff.

I don't think there's any FO stans left imo Pretty much everyone on this board wants Pat to retire

There's is just disagreement on whether they should have traded KD or not

For us anti-KD trade, I think FO had a similar view. Its not so much about KD but the rest of the team. The team is so bad, that you needed a prime KD to make them anywhere close to contenders. And this isn't a prime KD, so why put a ton of assets for a move thats unlikely to work

I think they made the right decision here. KD needs to be a situation like Houston where the team is close. Miami isn't close

Nah there are still plenty that will defend him to the grave lol

[carnageta]

The Heat declined to include either Jaime or Jovic in a trade with the Suns? I don't buy that at all. Wiggins + 20th pick was never going to be enough lol, and I'm sure the FO knew that.

Bro it’s Shams lol it doesn’t get more legit. They wouldn’t include any of Jovic Jaime 20th pick or fuxking Highsmith. Idc which way you lean on it but you know that’s wild.

Ohh is it Shams? If so, then I believe it.

Not including any of Jovic, Jaime, 20th pick, or Highsmigth is just a waste of time and shows we were never actually serious about acquiring KD. Even a desperate team line the Suns, 300m over the salary cap, can do better than Wiggins + Duncan for KD lol.

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This... this can't be right.

[VaDe255]

nvm...

[SoFlaKingReal]

KD to the Heat never made sense for the player or the team. We are a 10 seed in the East.

Common sense prevailed in the end getting old man Durant to a great up and coming team already succeeding in the West.