2025 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread

[Enso]

Would you guys do Herro, Wiggins & Ware plus 2 picks?

[Dc__20]

After refreshing my phone 5 million times to see if we got dame.... I just can't fall into this

[SA37]

Spoiler:

Zero question that offering more value increases odds of acquisition. Miami could offer all of Bam and Ware and Herro for Giannis and Kuzma and guarantee success!

I'm just not buying the rationale that their guard personnel renders Herro of little value to them.

So the biggest issue is that other teams will offer better players than Herro.

The next issue is Herro needs an extension, which would be a big decision for the Bucks. The league is FULL of good guards, and good guards are plenty available or will be soon (Morant, T Young, Q Grimes, C White, Z Lavine, CJ McCollum). Hell, Miami traded for a guy in Powell who is arguably better than Herro, and he'll potentially be available as a FA.

The next issue is Herro is a less valuable asset than Bam, which means Miami would have to include more players/picks to get Giannis. If Miami had to give up a package that looked anything like what Wiltside said, Miami would have absolutely no depth and would be required to re-sign Powell and Wiggins just to keep the starting 5 together and then they'd need to go out and find another 2-4 rotation players with presumably not a whole lot of money.

Lastly, I think a Bam/Giannis frontcourt is a questionable mix.

Curious what worries you about the Bam/Giannis after seeing what the Bam/Jimmy pairing did for us? Keep in mind Bam is a better and more willing shooter now than either he or Jimmy were back then and Giannis actually matches Bams motor

1. Salary concerns

Miami would have ~$120M/year committed to Giannis and Bam. Just with Mitchell's deal and Wiggins and Powell's cap holds, you'd over the salary cap. by some ~$40M, aka into or near 2nd apron territory.

2. Team construction concerns

Miami couldn't afford to lose Wiggins and Powell and Miami would have very little money to fill out the rest of the roster. It's not impossible, but...

3. Fit

Both Giannis and Bam have improved as outside shooters, but neither is great. I think Miami would run into similar problems as they have with trying to play Ware and Bam at the same time (or you'd get a similar result to the Giannis/Turner pairing): you essentially render one of them as a spot-up shooter and that limits your chances for offensive rebounds (Miami is one of the worst offensive rebounding teams in the league and Milwaukee is dead last).

[Wiltside]

Would you guys do Herro, Wiggins & Ware plus 2 picks?

Easily, yes.

Mitchell / Smith / Jakucionis
Powell / Fontecchio
Larsson / Jaquez
Giannis / Jovic
Adebayo

That's enough to contend highly in the East, and give us a punchers chance to beat OKC.

[marson]

Spoiler:

So the biggest issue is that other teams will offer better players than Herro.

The next issue is Herro needs an extension, which would be a big decision for the Bucks. The league is FULL of good guards, and good guards are plenty available or will be soon (Morant, T Young, Q Grimes, C White, Z Lavine, CJ McCollum). Hell, Miami traded for a guy in Powell who is arguably better than Herro, and he'll potentially be available as a FA.

The next issue is Herro is a less valuable asset than Bam, which means Miami would have to include more players/picks to get Giannis. If Miami had to give up a package that looked anything like what Wiltside said, Miami would have absolutely no depth and would be required to re-sign Powell and Wiggins just to keep the starting 5 together and then they'd need to go out and find another 2-4 rotation players with presumably not a whole lot of money.

Lastly, I think a Bam/Giannis frontcourt is a questionable mix.

Curious what worries you about the Bam/Giannis after seeing what the Bam/Jimmy pairing did for us? Keep in mind Bam is a better and more willing shooter now than either he or Jimmy were back then and Giannis actually matches Bams motor

1. Salary concerns

Miami would have ~$120M/year committed to Giannis and Bam. Just with Mitchell's deal and Wiggins and Powell's cap holds, you'd over the salary cap. by some ~$40M, aka into or near 2nd apron territory.

2. Team construction concerns

Miami couldn't afford to lose Wiggins and Powell and Miami would have very little money to fill out the rest of the roster. It's not impossible, but...

3. Fit

Both Giannis and Bam have improved as outside shooters, but neither is great. I think Miami would run into similar problems as they have with trying to play Ware and Bam at the same time (or you'd get a similar result to the Giannis/Turner pairing): you essentially render one of them as a spot-up shooter and that limits your chances for offensive rebounds (Miami is one of the worst offensive rebounding teams in the league and Milwaukee is dead last).

Agreed, if Miami would offer up Bam then the Bucks would certainly listen, but Riley for sure won't do it.

[SA37]

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So for now Miami is limited to 2 1sts. I suppose Miami could also offer swaps here.

Unless the Bucks think the world of Ware, I don't see a Herro, Ware, 2 1sts as being anywhere near enough to get a deal done.

Wiggins could be routed for a 1st if necessary to the Lakers. Don’t forget Jaime and KJ as well as any swaps and 2nds

I just don't see it.

The Bucks would have to be really high on Herro and get him to agree to an extension before a trade. Then they have to think the world of Ware. Not sure the Lakers would have much of an interest in facilitating Miami getting Giannis.

I mean, how is Morant, Edey, and picks not a better offer? What about T Young, Risacher, and picks? What about D Harper, D Vassell, Sochan, and picks?

[SA37]

Spoiler:

Curious what worries you about the Bam/Giannis after seeing what the Bam/Jimmy pairing did for us? Keep in mind Bam is a better and more willing shooter now than either he or Jimmy were back then and Giannis actually matches Bams motor

1. Salary concerns

Miami would have ~$120M/year committed to Giannis and Bam. Just with Mitchell's deal and Wiggins and Powell's cap holds, you'd over the salary cap. by some ~$40M, aka into or near 2nd apron territory.

2. Team construction concerns

Miami couldn't afford to lose Wiggins and Powell and Miami would have very little money to fill out the rest of the roster. It's not impossible, but...

3. Fit

Both Giannis and Bam have improved as outside shooters, but neither is great. I think Miami would run into similar problems as they have with trying to play Ware and Bam at the same time (or you'd get a similar result to the Giannis/Turner pairing): you essentially render one of them as a spot-up shooter and that limits your chances for offensive rebounds (Miami is one of the worst offensive rebounding teams in the league and Milwaukee is dead last).

Agreed, if Miami would offer up Bam then the Bucks would certainly listen, but Riley for sure won't do it.

I disagree. There are only a handful of guys Miami would deal Bam for, and Giannis is one of them.

[DayofMourning]

Okay okay. Kas, Jovic, Herro and firsts.

[heater4life]

Spoiler:

So the biggest issue is that other teams will offer better players than Herro.

The next issue is Herro needs an extension, which would be a big decision for the Bucks. The league is FULL of good guards, and good guards are plenty available or will be soon (Morant, T Young, Q Grimes, C White, Z Lavine, CJ McCollum). Hell, Miami traded for a guy in Powell who is arguably better than Herro, and he'll potentially be available as a FA.

The next issue is Herro is a less valuable asset than Bam, which means Miami would have to include more players/picks to get Giannis. If Miami had to give up a package that looked anything like what Wiltside said, Miami would have absolutely no depth and would be required to re-sign Powell and Wiggins just to keep the starting 5 together and then they'd need to go out and find another 2-4 rotation players with presumably not a whole lot of money.

Lastly, I think a Bam/Giannis frontcourt is a questionable mix.

Curious what worries you about the Bam/Giannis after seeing what the Bam/Jimmy pairing did for us? Keep in mind Bam is a better and more willing shooter now than either he or Jimmy were back then and Giannis actually matches Bams motor

1. Salary concerns

Miami would have ~$120M/year committed to Giannis and Bam. Just with Mitchell's deal and Wiggins and Powell's cap holds, you'd over the salary cap. by some ~$40M, aka into or near 2nd apron territory.

2. Team construction concerns

Miami couldn't afford to lose Wiggins and Powell and Miami would have very little money to fill out the rest of the roster. It's not impossible, but...

3. Fit

Both Giannis and Bam have improved as outside shooters, but neither is great. I think Miami would run into similar problems as they have with trying to play Ware and Bam at the same time (or you'd get a similar result to the Giannis/Turner pairing): you essentially render one of them as a spot-up shooter and that limits your chances for offensive rebounds (Miami is one of the worst offensive rebounding teams in the league and Milwaukee is dead last).

All valid concerns. You still gut this roster. No questions asked.

Superstar.

Assuming you gut it all (Herro, Ware, JJJ, Jovic, Jaku, picks, etc) and are able to use Rozier for salary filler

Mitchell
Norm
Wiggins
Giannis
Adebayo

Potential bench
Pelle
Keshad
Dru

Vet filler

Defensively that team is locking down the best of them. Offensively Giannis will Giannis on top of the fact I think he’ll destroy with what we’re running.

No brainer. Full send. Riley’s trading his Armani suits for this one.

[Wiltside]

Herro is averaging 25/5/3 on 54/54/94 splits in 30 mins since returning. Impressive.

[dagger151]

The trade ideas dont matter much. Giannis will get to pick where he wants to go and the Bucks will work the best trade possible. In other words, the Dame situation again if he calls out Miami.

[Wiltside]

So for now Miami is limited to 2 1sts. I suppose Miami could also offer swaps here.

Unless the Bucks think the world of Ware, I don't see a Herro, Ware, 2 1sts as being anywhere near enough to get a deal done.

Wiggins could be routed for a 1st if necessary to the Lakers. Don’t forget Jaime and KJ as well as any swaps and 2nds

I just don't see it.

The Bucks would have to be really high on Herro and get him to agree to an extension before a trade. Then they have to think the world of Ware. Not sure the Lakers would have much of an interest in facilitating Miami getting Giannis.

I mean, how is Morant, Edey, and picks not a better offer? What about T Young, Risacher, and picks? What about D Harper, D Vassell, Sochan, and picks?

Is Morant, Edey and picks a better offer? Morant is averaging 18 a game on 36% fg. Is he really better than Herro in 2025/26? He's a year older than Tyler and has declined on and off the floor the last couple years.

Edey and Ware is largely a wash, but Ware is younger and I would argue has a higher ceiling as a floor spacing big.

[heater4life]

Herro is averaging 25/5/3 on 54/54/94 splits in 30 mins since returning. Impressive.

I’m not the biggest Tyler Herro fan, but you can do a lot worse than a 26 year old +25ppg scorer on a good team. With Wisconsin roots to boot.

[heater4life]

The trade ideas dont matter much. Giannis will get to pick where he wants to go and the Bucks will work the best trade possible. In other words, the Dame situation again if he calls out Miami.

Tell that to Cronin.

[inhabitMiami]

So for now Miami is limited to 2 1sts. I suppose Miami could also offer swaps here.

Unless the Bucks think the world of Ware, I don't see a Herro, Ware, 2 1sts as being anywhere near enough to get a deal done.

Wiggins could be routed for a 1st if necessary to the Lakers. Don’t forget Jaime and KJ as well as any swaps and 2nds

I just don't see it.

The Bucks would have to be really high on Herro and get him to agree to an extension before a trade. Then they have to think the world of Ware. Not sure the Lakers would have much of an interest in facilitating Miami getting Giannis.

I mean, how is Morant, Edey, and picks not a better offer? What about T Young, Risacher, and picks? What about D Harper, D Vassell, Sochan, and picks?

You have a strange perception every player you listed lol. Nobody wants Ja. Trae for Giannis makes no sense why would Giannis accept a trade to a Hawks team without Trae. Spurs aren't giving up Harper.

Ware is a high value young piece. Herro literally has more value than Ja right now lol

[TroubleS0me]

Bam, Powell or Wiggins (as long as we keep one), and maybe Ware untradeable
Do it now Riley for Giannis.
We traded Jimmy for assets and now is the time to use it.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Giannis:

He will want to win now.
He will go to a team with enough assets that the team won't be gutted.
Apparently, his perimeter defense has fallen off a cliff this year. He will want to go to a team with his new jru and Middleton.
Team will still need to have shooters around him.
I dont think he will care about market.

Bucks will be rebuilding. They are already in financial hell due to the dame buyout. And they have no picks and young talent unless you count Rollins (i dont).
I dont see then wanting bam, wiggins, or powell unless they get flipped to a 3rd team for assets. Bucks are rebuilding, not retooling.

Do they like herro enough? Do they want to pay him? Those are the questions. He's a bucket, so could be a stopgap. Hes also a hometown kid, so definitely marketable.

Outside of herro, the heat do have the pieces the bucks would want.
Ware, jaku, jaime, and picks (and jovic if you squint hard enough) is all in the war chest.

Does spo/riles think mitchell, powell, wiggins, giannis, and bam is enough to win it all. It's the ultimate win now mode. That's their question. We just saw the Clippers who did the exact same thing.

The heat can put up a competitive offer, but no where near the best. Everything is based on how much they like herro.

Id do it.

[Flash4thewin]

The trade ideas dont matter much. Giannis will get to pick where he wants to go and the Bucks will work the best trade possible. In other words, the Dame situation again if he calls out Miami.

We need to remember he already brought home a championship and he has also made NY his preferred destination. He has a players option which put things even more lopsided on his favor. It would be very unlikely for the Bucks to send him else where.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Watch it turn out we were never in the running for Giannis, but this whole board forgets the great start to the season and turns on Riles and this roster for not getting it done. I can definitely see that happening.

[CWebb2491]

Salary cap wise

It works.

Herro (home state born star)
Ware (insane potential and size)
Jaquez (a proven winning/game changer)
KJ (filler)
Terry (salary cap relief if Silver pulls his head out of his ass)

If they demand Kasparas you do it.

All picks/swaps available

For

Giannis
And
Portis

Line up would be

Bam Portis
Giannis Jovic
Wiggins Simone
Powell Larson
Mitchell Smith



I believe that is a Very solid offer is Giannis considers Miami