Around the NBA streets Vol. 7: It's not like I like you or anything! Ibaka!

[RexBoyWonder]

wonder how much Bagley would cost?

They need spacing, I wonder if some sort of Duncan/Kelly/Harkless for Bagley/Bjelica would work

Thats a smart buy low move imo.

Bagley on Heat can become a lot better.

[twix2500]

wonder how much Bagley would cost?

They need spacing, I wonder if some sort of Duncan/Kelly/Harkless for Bagley/Bjelica would work

Thats a smart buy low move imo.

Bagley on Heat can become a lot better.

Who are the Kings getting spacing for if they are trading Bagley? If there is a player that Kings are willing to trade I believe it's Buddy Hield.

[Bishop45]

Not sending Harden to Sixers to be petty>>>>

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[Dr_Heat]

The Bearded one

[HeatIn5]

wonder how much Bagley would cost?

They need spacing, I wonder if some sort of Duncan/Kelly/Harkless for Bagley/Bjelica would work

Thats a smart buy low move imo.

Bagley on Heat can become a lot better.

Who are the Kings getting spacing for if they are trading Bagley? If there is a player that Kings are willing to trade I believe it's Buddy Hield.

Bagley asked for a trade. They'd want spacing for Fox. Barnes can play the 4, Holmes is having a good year and Hassan is behind him.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Checking out this Lakers/Suns game, Crowder drains a 3 first possession of the game, makes a defensive play on the other end. I can't watch anymore

[RexBoyWonder]

Checking out this Lakers/Suns game, Crowder drains a 3 first possession of the game, makes a defensive play on the other end. I can't watch anymore

Crowder really isn't some great player, but :

1) he really was a great fit here. A mediocre player whos a great fit can sometime be better then a very good player who's a bad fit.

2) We really dropped the ball with his replacement . If we landed Marcus Morris like front office planned - we wouldn't be talking about Crowder right now.

Harkless is useless, KZ isn't ready, Precious doesn't fit next to Bam - that's what's killing us.

[AirP.]

Checking out this Lakers/Suns game, Crowder drains a 3 first possession of the game, makes a defensive play on the other end. I can't watch anymore

Crowder really isn't some great player, but :

1) he really was a great fit here. A mediocre player whos a great fit can sometime be better then a very good player who's a bad fit.

2) We really dropped the ball with his replacement . If we landed Marcus Morris like front office planned - we wouldn't be talking about Crowder right now.

Harkless is useless, KZ isn't ready, Precious doesn't fit next to Bam - that's what's killing us.

Dropped the ball? Miami was 100% fine downgrading from Crowder to a guy who got a DNP in the finals in order to keep that hail mary alive with signing Giannis in 2021. Giannis waiting till late in free agency which vastly weakened the team that knocked him out of the playoffs. Miami 100% did this to themselves because Miami doesn't really believe in Butler.

BTW... if Giannis was signed, how do you play Giannis, Bam and Butler together? You don't, not in this era, they'd be horrible in the half court offense.

[AirP.]

Reposting this here.

Rudy Gay during his recent missed game because of "Safety Protocols". Seems you may not want that player being in contact with players on his own team let alone other team's players if he's really sitting out for "safety" reasons. I guess he did keep his mask on while touching another team's player.

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[BenoUdrihFTL]

Watching Nets/Rockets and Dipo is playing like how Bumpy Johnson looks

[Bishop45]

Never realized that this is relative efficiency for Wall, thought he he usually does better from the field

[Bishop45]

Good to see Patton back out there; somebody needs to give Jarnell Stokes a shot

[Bishop45]

Nets could legit compete/win the East without KD

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Tbh if the Heat can't get it together and get bounced in the EC playoffs then I'll be rooting for Harden to win FMVP

[GopherIt!]

The Bearded one

oof Doc.

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[RexBoyWonder]

Checking out this Lakers/Suns game, Crowder drains a 3 first possession of the game, makes a defensive play on the other end. I can't watch anymore

Crowder really isn't some great player, but :

1) he really was a great fit here. A mediocre player whos a great fit can sometime be better then a very good player who's a bad fit.

2) We really dropped the ball with his replacement . If we landed Marcus Morris like front office planned - we wouldn't be talking about Crowder right now.

Harkless is useless, KZ isn't ready, Precious doesn't fit next to Bam - that's what's killing us.

Dropped the ball? Miami was 100% fine downgrading from Crowder to a guy who got a DNP in the finals in order to keep that hail mary alive with signing Giannis in 2021. Giannis waiting till late in free agency which vastly weakened the team that knocked him out of the playoffs. Miami 100% did this to themselves because Miami doesn't really believe in Butler.

BTW... if Giannis was signed, how do you play Giannis, Bam and Butler together? You don't, not in this era, they'd be horrible in the half court offense.

They weren't "Fine with downgrading" - they thought they're getting Marcus Morris on a huge 1 year deal to maintain flexibility. He's actually an upgrade over Crowder - The problem was Clippers gave him a huge contacts offer, and...we didn't get him. So that **** us.

Then they probably though KZ was more ready, but Spo doesn't believe in him apparently.

Again - not giving Crowder long term money was a good decision - the problems came because we did a bad job replacing him. Maybe we can fix it with a Barnes trade, Maybe Precious/KZ/Harkless step up, Maybe Bjelica..we still have time and ways to fix the hole


And about Giannis - the hope probably was that the pure talent would cover the fit issues, and Having Duncan/Herro/Dragic would help the offense enough to become decent while having elite defefnse.

In a perfect world, we wouldn't even go after Giannis - we need a great 2 way scorer with an outside shot.

Kawhi > Giannis for our roster.

Since we can't get any of them, Beal is the next best thing when considering talent + skillset/fit + age combination.

[AirP.]

Dropped the ball? Miami was 100% fine downgrading from Crowder to a guy who got a DNP in the finals in order to keep that hail mary alive with signing Giannis in 2021. Giannis waiting till late in free agency which vastly weakened the team that knocked him out of the playoffs. Miami 100% did this to themselves because Miami doesn't really believe in Butler.

BTW... if Giannis was signed, how do you play Giannis, Bam and Butler together? You don't, not in this era, they'd be horrible in the half court offense.

They weren't "Fine with downgrading" - they thought they're getting Marcus Morris on a huge 1 year deal to maintain flexibility. He's actually an upgrade over Crowder - The problem was Clippers gave him a huge contacts offer, and...we didn't get him. So that **** us.

Then they probably though KZ was more ready, but Spo doesn't believe in him apparently.

Again - not giving Crowder long term money was a good decision - the problems came because we did a bad job replacing him. Maybe we can fix it with a Barnes trade, Maybe Precious/KZ/Harkless step up, Maybe Bjelica..we still have time and ways to fix the hole

I feel the only reason people think KZ is "good" is because they've been told Miami thought about taking him in the 1st round vs Herro and think he has more potential then he does. If you just look at him play he doesn't look good. He didn't do well in the G-League so why in the hell would he do well the very next year against better competition?

They "had" Marcus Morris, the guy who "agreed" with San Antonio, they moved Betriens to make cap space and then Morris screwed them over by signing with the Knicks? GREAT IDEA, he wouldn't do it twice... Man, those Morris brothers have been issues for their teams for years although they're talented.

Letting go a starting PF for 10 million over 3 years that just helped you get to the finals was a good decision? I actually think that's a fair to good contract to a starting switchable PF and as a possible contender you sometimes have to overpay for talent.

The Butler window is closing(even if he's extended 1-2 more years) and I don't think Miami's going to like life without Butler nearly as much even with "cap space". D.Wade really created Miami's opportunities to get LeBron and then Butler, that influence will no longer be in Miami when Butler is gone. I really don't think Miami fans understand how big of an opportunity they got with Butler, even with going to finals were "fine" letting their starting PF walk because of future cap space.

[RexBoyWonder]

Dropped the ball? Miami was 100% fine downgrading from Crowder to a guy who got a DNP in the finals in order to keep that hail mary alive with signing Giannis in 2021. Giannis waiting till late in free agency which vastly weakened the team that knocked him out of the playoffs. Miami 100% did this to themselves because Miami doesn't really believe in Butler.

BTW... if Giannis was signed, how do you play Giannis, Bam and Butler together? You don't, not in this era, they'd be horrible in the half court offense.

They weren't "Fine with downgrading" - they thought they're getting Marcus Morris on a huge 1 year deal to maintain flexibility. He's actually an upgrade over Crowder - The problem was Clippers gave him a huge contacts offer, and...we didn't get him. So that **** us.

Then they probably though KZ was more ready, but Spo doesn't believe in him apparently.

Again - not giving Crowder long term money was a good decision - the problems came because we did a bad job replacing him. Maybe we can fix it with a Barnes trade, Maybe Precious/KZ/Harkless step up, Maybe Bjelica..we still have time and ways to fix the hole

I feel the only reason people think KZ is "good" is because they've been told Miami thought about taking him in the 1st round vs Herro and think he has more potential then he does. If you just look at him play he doesn't look good. He didn't do well in the G-League so why in the hell would he do well the very next year against better competition?

They "had" Marcus Morris, the guy who "agreed" with San Antonio, they moved Betriens to make cap space and then Morris screwed them over by signing with the Knicks? GREAT IDEA, he wouldn't do it twice... Man, those Morris brothers have been issues for their teams for years although they're talented.

Letting go a starting PF for 10 million over 3 years that just helped you get to the finals was a good decision? I actually think that's a fair to good contract to a starting switchable PF and as a possible contender you sometimes have to overpay for talent.

The Butler window is closing(even if he's extended 1-2 more years) and I don't think Miami's going to like life without Butler nearly as much even with "cap space". D.Wade really created Miami's opportunities to get LeBron and then Butler, that influence will no longer be in Miami when Butler is gone. I really don't think Miami fans understand how big of an opportunity they got with Butler, even with going to finals were "fine" letting their starting PF walk because of future cap space.

About KZ - personally I give very little weight to draft hype - I make my own judgment.

I see a young wing with SUPREB length, mobility, height and agility. I see a non-broken shot, maybe even a decent shot already. And I see a decent Handle.

He's raw as **** - because we never give him minutes, and he's not playing in the Gleague either which he really needs to develop. and he's not an high IQ player. He's often lost, and probably doesn't pick up schemes quickly. THat's fine, he's young and get's no reps.

I think he can become a very high quality defender rather quickly and a limited but functional offensive player in the not too long future, if he can get minutes and trust.

About Crowder - letting him go wasn't for "future" cap space - it was for right NOW. This coming offseason even. If keeping Crowder costs you a healthy Dipo/1 year Lowery/Collins sign and trade/any high level younger starter - it impact's THIS TEAM'S celling. Not a future team, this team we're trying to build for a chip in the next 2 seasons. If we can get Barnes, that's an upgrade over Crowder. Does that mean we're done? you look at options with every step and make a call. not giving long term money for an inconsistent role player isn't our issue.

Crowder isn't making champions - that's the bottom line.

But having too many role players making long term money and by that not being able to land a true star - that can cost you a championship.

[AirP.]

About KZ - personally I give very little weight to draft hype - I make my own judgment.

I see a young wing with SUPREB length, mobility, height and agility. I see a non-broken shot, maybe even a decent shot already. And I see a decent Handle.

He's raw as **** - because we never give him minutes, and he's not playing in the Gleague either which he really needs to develop. and he's not an high IQ player. He's often lost, and probably doesn't pick up schemes quickly. THat's fine, he's young and get's no reps.

I think he can become a very high quality defender rather quickly and a limited but functional offensive player in the not too long future, if he can get minutes and trust.

Huh, I see a guy who couldn't put up good numbers in the G-League and with a team that just went to the finals, shouldn't even be close to cracking the lineup... but because of the FO already looking for "next" he's way closer to being a rotation player then he should be.

About Crowder - letting him go wasn't for "future" cap space - it was for right NOW. This coming offseason even. If keeping Crowder costs you a healthy Dipo/1 year Lowery/Collins sign and trade/any high level younger starter - it impact's THIS TEAM'S celling. Not a future team, this team we're trying to build for a chip in the next 2 seasons. If we can get Barnes, that's an upgrade over Crowder. Does that mean we're done? you look at options with every step and make a call. not giving long term money for an inconsistent role player isn't our issue.

Crowder isn't making champions - that's the bottom line.

But having too many role players making long term money and by that not being able to land a true star - that can cost you a championship.

Wait... if Miami resigned Crowder at 3 years 30 mil how does that hurt them this year? It makes Iggy's 15 mil contract extremely expendable where as now without a real 4 he's needed in the rotation.

Collins is not coming unless Miami overwhelms Atlanta with a trade... meaning Herro + more. At the worst they will match his offer and then make moves after that.

On Oladipo, if you retained Crowder you could more easily trade for him now(having PF covered) and have his bird rights.

Harrison Barnes? Paying twice the contract for him over Crowder(during the same years)? I'm fine with overpaying a player but I don't even know if overall he's a better player then Crowder and if he is it isn't by a whole lot, not enough of an upgrade to go half a season without a good starting 4.

Harden is a superstar, he was in play, if Miami didn't have what it took to get him the talks wouldn't have lasted as long as they did.

I thought Boston was terrible about being connected to all those big trades and not pulling the trigger but Miami is right up there.

Miami seems to only gets high level players by having them FORCE their way to Miami, LeBron, Bosh and Butler did it, not through a regular trade. Teams are forced to get whatever value they can because the players forced their way to Miami. I don't know of any potentially good/great players trying to do that other then Oladipo who is still working past his serious injury so it is a risk.