2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition

[MorbidHEAT]

I guess the heat would rather wait and trade lowry than buy him out.

The Heat are not going to eat whatever he has remaining on his contract and Lowry isn't going to give up much to get bought out. Not sure why this is even being talked about as an option. Lowry will come back and play. The only question is whether its off the bench or starting.

[MorbidHEAT]

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Can someone decipher this for me please?

EDIT: duh, just noticed the spelling! I thought he was maybe referring to Jovic Anyway, trying to be cute I guess.

I think Haslem is essentially telling us that he is fed up with the current locker room situation and doesn’t want anything to do with it next year, coach or not. These words should be of concern…. He is willing to take time away rather than transitioning into the coach role next year….

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but all signs point to bad locker room vibes inside the heat.

I think he realized the torch has to be passed. I've heard interviews with him saying that Bam has to be that guy. Bam is not that guy. Bam is too soft to be that guy. He's a follower. We don't have anybody on this roster, but Jimmy, that plays with that controlled rage to become that guy going forward.

[3ballbomber]

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Can someone decipher this for me please?

EDIT: duh, just noticed the spelling! I thought he was maybe referring to Jovic Anyway, trying to be cute I guess.

I think Haslem is essentially telling us that he is fed up with the current locker room situation and doesn’t want anything to do with it next year, coach or not. These words should be of concern…. He is willing to take time away rather than transitioning into the coach role next year….

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but all signs point to bad locker room vibes inside the heat.

I think he realized the torch has to be passed. I've heard interviews with him saying that Bam has to be that guy. Bam is not that guy. Bam is too soft to be that guy. He's a follower. We don't have anybody on this roster, but Jimmy, that plays with that controlled rage to become that guy going forward.

UD realised his not influencing anybody anymore deeming him insignificant.

[RexBoyWonder]

Jovic with 12 and 8 near the end of the game. 3-7 from the floor and 2-3 from 3. Does have 5 turnovers though. Looks noticeably bigger than I remember. Don’t love him playing the 5.

He's not a 5 now, never was a 5, and will never be a 5.

This smallball BS and playing players up a position is killing us for years now, chit needs to stop.


Go back to being a physical tough ass team, I can live with losing due to lack of elite talent, but losing because we're small and weak is annoying AF.

[dshearn]

Honestly how would this team go with:

Yurt/Zeller
Bam/Love
Jimmy/Martin
Herro/Dipo
Gabe/Lowry

10 man rotation with good bench depth.. spo would never tho..

Before Yurt went down we saw what looked like a Yurt/Bam front court in preseason.

I think the entire plan this year was Yurt/Bam.

[BBallFreak]

dude, If Herro was gonna be something, YOU WOULDA SEEN IT BY NOW

legit superstars are superstars early and fast


this is so dumb.

Jermaine O'Neal, Kyle Lowry, and Jimmy Butler, from Heat history alone, all beg to differ.

[gom]

Jovic with 12 and 8 near the end of the game. 3-7 from the floor and 2-3 from 3. Does have 5 turnovers though. Looks noticeably bigger than I remember. Don’t love him playing the 5.

Great to see him back! Too late probably to get him back onto the team but that doesn't matter too much. He is too raw right now anyhow.

https://gleague.nba.com/game/sxf-vs-sbl-2022200365?view=box-score

McCoy started at center. They also have Kadeem Jack.

Jovic is 20 on June 3. Might be early to decide he cannot play 5. I liked his pass to Mulder at 1:40 in the 4Q to hit the 3. DJ Stewart also looked good in the highlights. I didn't see the game though.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Honestly how would this team go with:

Yurt/Zeller
Bam/Love
Jimmy/Martin
Herro/Dipo
Gabe/Lowry

10 man rotation with good bench depth.. spo would never tho..

Before Yurt went down we saw what looked like a Yurt/Bam front court in preseason.

I think the entire plan this year was Yurt/Bam.

It looked super ugly preseason from what I remember lol, we were getting smacked by the Wolves C team. It was preseason though

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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A $30M “scorer” that can’t score effectively is pretty worrisome. Can’t create any separation or score without a screen when he’s on ball and is heavily reliant on getting hot from 3, his isolation numbers are horrible. He does seem to have a clutch gene but I wonder how many of those games it wouldn’t be necessary if he was a consistent/efficient scorer that could play some sort of defense.

[Lennyzinho]

dude, If Herro was gonna be something, YOU WOULDA SEEN IT BY NOW

legit superstars are superstars early and fast


this is so dumb.

Jermaine O'Neal, Kyle Lowry, and Jimmy Butler, from Heat history alone, all beg to differ.

Herro will not become a superstar, I agree with that. Superstars are indeed at least stars or fringe all stars by season 2-3 if not season 1. I'm talking about lebron Luka Durant level superstar. Herro does however have plenty of time to develop into an all star type dude, top 30 type player. And that's incredibly valuable.

He does look uncomfortable lately and passive. Not sure what's up. I would not make Herro untouchable in trades that landed us a player that we would be hoping he'd turn into, like a Mitchell or Lillard. I still think he should've been the 6th man again this year. Or in and out of starting rotation due to rest and injuries etc.

[twix2500]

dude, If Herro was gonna be something, YOU WOULDA SEEN IT BY NOW

legit superstars are superstars early and fast


this is so dumb.

Jermaine O'Neal, Kyle Lowry, and Jimmy Butler, from Heat history alone, all beg to differ.

Herro will not become a superstar, I agree with that. Superstars are indeed at least stars or fringe all stars by season 2-3 if not season 1. I'm talking about lebron Luka Durant level superstar. Herro does however have plenty of time to develop into an all star type dude, top 30 type player. And that's incredibly valuable.

He does look uncomfortable lately and passive. Not sure what's up. I would not make Herro untouchable in trades that landed us a player that we would be hoping he'd turn into, like a Mitchell or Lillard. I still think he should've been the 6th man again this year. Or in and out of starting rotation due to rest and injuries etc.

In order for you to be a star you have to be elite at something. What is Herro elite skill set?

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Jermaine O'Neal, Kyle Lowry, and Jimmy Butler, from Heat history alone, all beg to differ.

Herro will not become a superstar, I agree with that. Superstars are indeed at least stars or fringe all stars by season 2-3 if not season 1. I'm talking about lebron Luka Durant level superstar. Herro does however have plenty of time to develop into an all star type dude, top 30 type player. And that's incredibly valuable.

He does look uncomfortable lately and passive. Not sure what's up. I would not make Herro untouchable in trades that landed us a player that we would be hoping he'd turn into, like a Mitchell or Lillard. I still think he should've been the 6th man again this year. Or in and out of starting rotation due to rest and injuries etc.

In order for you to be a star you have to be elite at something. What is Herro elite skill set?

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He’s elite at not playing defense, one of the best in the league in that regard

[SoFlaKingReal]

Enjoy the wins, there will be plenty of time to bash our players in the offseason.

[Lennyzinho]

Jermaine O'Neal, Kyle Lowry, and Jimmy Butler, from Heat history alone, all beg to differ.

Herro will not become a superstar, I agree with that. Superstars are indeed at least stars or fringe all stars by season 2-3 if not season 1. I'm talking about lebron Luka Durant level superstar. Herro does however have plenty of time to develop into an all star type dude, top 30 type player. And that's incredibly valuable.

He does look uncomfortable lately and passive. Not sure what's up. I would not make Herro untouchable in trades that landed us a player that we would be hoping he'd turn into, like a Mitchell or Lillard. I still think he should've been the 6th man again this year. Or in and out of starting rotation due to rest and injuries etc.

In order for you to be a star you have to be elite at something. What is Herro elite skill set?

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I didn't say Herro would turn into a star. I said an all star. Not all all-star's are stars. One year you're in it, then you're out, then you're back in; hence my comment of a top 30 type dude. I still think he can get there. Not saying I think he will. But I'm saying he has X% chance of becoming that guy. I think his most realistic destination is indeed a Jordan Clarkson, Jamal Crawford type dude. I think best case scenario he turns into a Bradley Beal type of guy (for the record I don't think Beal is all that great).

For example, Donovan Mitchell dropped 40 on the celtics yesterday. Wow! On 34 freakin' FG attempts. That's not impressive... at all. Beal is lots of that. And he doesn't play defense either. Everyone loves talkin' smack on Tyler's defense as if Lillard or Beal or Mitchell were some defensive stalwarts.

538 Raptor Def score for Donovan Mitchell last five years: -1.1 / -1.9 / -1.9 / -2.7 / -.8
Tyler Herro the 4 years he's been in the league: -1.2 / -1 / -1.3 / -1.2
Lillard -.8 / -1.8 / -2.2 / -1.6 / -1.8
Beal -0.9 / -3.7 / -1.9 / +.6 / -1.7

I mean, on average Herro is actually a better defensive player than them. And he's improved at rebounding. Ofc I'm not saying Herro deserves to be in the same sentence as them or can or will be as good offensively. His ceiling is Mitchell. He will never be Lillard on offense (how many ever are? Dame is special).

I'm just tired of all the Herro bashing and defense comments and then nonstop clamoring for, Trade Herro and everything for this guy!. When in fact they have some glaring defensive holes themselves.

Like SoFlaKingReal said, let's enjoy this back to back win over ATL and stop hating on our youth still developing. Not his fault Pat deemed him untouchable.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Mitchell is not Herros ceiling lol, he doesn’t have near the tools to reach that level. His ceiling is CJ Mccollums peak season in Portland, MAYBE CJ from last seasons pelicans stint.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Herro will not become a superstar, I agree with that. Superstars are indeed at least stars or fringe all stars by season 2-3 if not season 1. I'm talking about lebron Luka Durant level superstar. Herro does however have plenty of time to develop into an all star type dude, top 30 type player. And that's incredibly valuable.

He does look uncomfortable lately and passive. Not sure what's up. I would not make Herro untouchable in trades that landed us a player that we would be hoping he'd turn into, like a Mitchell or Lillard. I still think he should've been the 6th man again this year. Or in and out of starting rotation due to rest and injuries etc.

In order for you to be a star you have to be elite at something. What is Herro elite skill set?

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I didn't say Herro would turn into a star. I said an all star. Not all all-star's are stars. One year you're in it, then you're out, then you're back in; hence my comment of a top 30 type dude. I still think he can get there. Not saying I think he will. But I'm saying he has X% chance of becoming that guy. I think his most realistic destination is indeed a Jordan Clarkson, Jamal Crawford type dude. I think best case scenario he turns into a Bradley Beal type of guy (for the record I don't think Beal is all that great).

For example, Donovan Mitchell dropped 40 on the celtics yesterday. Wow! On 34 freakin' FG attempts. That's not impressive... at all. Beal is lots of that. And he doesn't play defense either. Everyone loves talkin' smack on Tyler's defense as if Lillard or Beal or Mitchell were some defensive stalwarts.

538 Raptor Def score for Donovan Mitchell last five years: -1.1 / -1.9 / -1.9 / -2.7 / -.8
Tyler Herro the 4 years he's been in the league: -1.2 / -1 / -1.3 / -1.2
Lillard -.8 / -1.8 / -2.2 / -1.6 / -1.8

I mean, on average Herro is actually a better defensive player than them. And he's improved at rebounding. Ofc I'm not saying Herro deserves to be in the same sentence as them or can or will be as good offensively. His ceiling is Mitchell. He will never be Lillard on offense (how many ever are? Dame is special).

I'm just tired of all the Herro bashing and defense comments and then nonstop clamoring for, Trade Herro and everything for this guy!. When in fact they have some glaring defensive holes themselves.

Like SoFlaKingReal said, let's enjoy this back to back win over ATL and stop hating on our youth still developing. Not his fault Pat deemed him untouchable.

And Herro had 13 points on 14 shots while being guarded by Trae Young

[Hallstar]

Mitchell is not Herros ceiling lol, he doesn’t have near the tools to reach that level. His ceiling is CJ Mccollums peak season in Portland, MAYBE CJ from last seasons pelicans stint.

Then he doesn't need to improve is what you're saying. He's peaked at 23

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Mitchell is not Herros ceiling lol, he doesn’t have near the tools to reach that level. His ceiling is CJ Mccollums peak season in Portland, MAYBE CJ from last seasons pelicans stint.

Then he doesn't need to improve is what you're saying. He's peaked at 23

Last season Pelicans stint CJ: 24-5-6-1 58TS%

Peak Portland CJ: 23-4-5-1 58TS%

Herro: 20-6-4-1 55TS%

CJ has also been much more successful in the playoffs. So no, to answer your question about him not needing to improve.

I may be giving him too much credit as CJ but I’m still trying to keep some sort of faith as long as he’s in a Heat jersey. Hindsight is 20/20 but I’m guessing the Heat would’ve sold high after his rookie season knowing what they know now

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Trae couldn’t get off the court fast enough last night, Gabes had him in prison for 2 years now

[Hallstar]

Mitchell is not Herros ceiling lol, he doesn’t have near the tools to reach that level. His ceiling is CJ Mccollums peak season in Portland, MAYBE CJ from last seasons pelicans stint.

Then he doesn't need to improve is what you're saying. He's peaked at 23

Last season Pelicans stint CJ: 24-5-6-1 58TS%

Peak Portland CJ: 23-4-5-1 58TS%

Herro: 20-6-4-1 55TS%

CJ has also been much more successful in the playoffs. So no, to answer your question about him not needing to improve.

I may be giving him too much credit as CJ but I’m still trying to keep some sort of faith as long as he’s in a Heat jersey. Hindsight is 20/20 but I’m guessing the Heat would’ve sold high after his rookie season knowing what they know now

this is asinine, I hope you realize that. If Herro was taking 19 shots to avg 22 pts right now you would be running up a wall crying about all that's wrong with the world.

The dude is making half our 3s most nights, operating with ZERO space. No other young guard is dealing with that

People keep saying Herro won't become a superstar...newsflash, we have no superstars.