Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0

[AirP.]

With no extension completed by Dec 30th (deadline for Toronto to get it done during the season), it looks like Siakam will finally be moved.

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Warriors make sense. Kuminga, picks, bundle up some salaries. They need a shake up and Pascal is a quality PF/C who would fit.

It's trade season!

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Oops, the Kings already pulled out of the trade.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Managing the cap and improving is proving to be a daunting task. A sacrifice is going to have to be made before the deadline. I just don’t see anyway around it. With the emergence of JJJ i feel like our wing spot is clogged and we sit here relying on the 38 year old Lowry to carry us to the promise land until be breaks down at the worst time and we are left with a wing in J Rich as our only backup PG.

Caleb makes so much more sense if you are gonna move someone. We were gonna lose him in the offseason anyways why not see what he can land be a PG or PF.

The issue is he only makes 6.8 million. To make anything worthwhile he’ll need to be attached with Lowry. The problem is they are both expiring so the value proposition is a slippery slope.

[Beenie]

Managing the cap and improving is proving to be a daunting task. A sacrifice is going to have to be made before the deadline. I just don’t see anyway around it. With the emergence of JJJ i feel like our wing spot is clogged and we sit here relying on the 38 year old Lowry to carry us to the promise land until be breaks down at the worst time and we are left with a wing in J Rich as our only backup PG.

Caleb makes so much more sense if you are gonna move someone. We were gonna lose him in the offseason anyways why not see what he can land be a PG or PF.

The issue is he only makes 6.8 million. To make anything worthwhile he’ll need to be attached with Lowry. The problem is they are both expiring so the value proposition is a slippery slope.

Or Duncan or Herro

[SerialChiller]

Made me LOL

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Damn didn't know he had that stuff in his bag hahaha

[AirP.]

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[RexBoyWonder]

Suns game proved my old point - we can't be considered a real contender with a guard rotation of Lowry, Rich, Herro.

Just not talented enough.

None of them get to the line, none are stoppers on D. None are very consistent.

Not sure what the solution is, but I'll tell what it isn't - watching Lowry and Rich playing a combined 50 minutes and scoring 6 points with shaky defense.

[dubasilva]

Suns game proved my old point - we can't be considered a real contender with a guard rotation of Lowry, Rich, Herro.

Just not talented enough.

None of them get to the line, none are stoppers on D. None are very consistent.

Not sure what the solution is, but I'll tell what it isn't - watching Lowry and Rich playing a combined 50 minutes and scoring 6 points with shaky defense.

I'm with you here. I've seen enough of Tyler Hierro. Let's make an offer to bring someone that can make us better.

Hierro is a role player and makes too much money for his inconsistent playing.

[VaDe255]

Suns game proved my old point - we can't be considered a real contender with a guard rotation of Lowry, Rich, Herro.

Just not talented enough.

None of them get to the line, none are stoppers on D. None are very consistent.

Not sure what the solution is, but I'll tell what it isn't - watching Lowry and Rich playing a combined 50 minutes and scoring 6 points with shaky defense.

I'm with you here. I've seen enough of Tyler Hierro. Let's make an offer to bring someone that can make us better.

Hierro is a role player and makes too much money for his inconsistent playing.

He is just getting 24y old. This was a really good game from him when it comes to shot selection and playmaking he had 6 quality assists (only 1 turnover), where he got Bam 2 easy dunks, drove and drew defenders to get his team mates 4 clean looks from 3.

I know everyone just sees 4/17, but 2 shots at rim, 6 floaters, 7 clean looks at 3 is a really good shot profile.
I'm happy if he continues to play like he did for tonight. Can't just be result oriented, sometimes shots just don't fall.

[BBallFreak]

Suns game proved my old point - we can't be considered a real contender with a guard rotation of Lowry, Rich, Herro.

Just not talented enough.

None of them get to the line, none are stoppers on D. None are very consistent.

Not sure what the solution is, but I'll tell what it isn't - watching Lowry and Rich playing a combined 50 minutes and scoring 6 points with shaky defense.

I'm with you here. I've seen enough of Tyler Hierro. Let's make an offer to bring someone that can make us better.

Hierro is a role player and makes too much money for his inconsistent playing.

He's had two games of single digit scoring all season, one of which he got injured in. He's had two games where he's scored double digits but below 20. He's played 18 games. You can point to three games and say, "He's not consistent enough." By contrast, we have a player who's played in 24 games and scored below twenty points eleven times. No one calls Jimmy Butler inconsistent.

I'm not Herro's biggest fan. I like the kid, but my issue with him is his lack of durability. One thing I cannot criticize him for is a lack of consistency this year. He's probably been our most consistent player...

[Beenie]

Someone with a quick first step who can actually beat his man off the dribble and then finish at a high rate would be nice

[Bmaster]

Suns game proved my old point - we can't be considered a real contender with a guard rotation of Lowry, Rich, Herro.

Just not talented enough.

None of them get to the line, none are stoppers on D. None are very consistent.

Not sure what the solution is, but I'll tell what it isn't - watching Lowry and Rich playing a combined 50 minutes and scoring 6 points with shaky defense.

I'm with you here. I've seen enough of Tyler Hierro. Let's make an offer to bring someone that can make us better.

Hierro is a role player and makes too much money for his inconsistent playing.

He's had two games of single digit scoring all season, one of which he got injured in. He's had two games where he's scored double digits but below 20. He's played 18 games. You can point to three games and say, "He's not consistent enough." By contrast, we have a player who's played in 24 games and scored below twenty points eleven times. No one calls Jimmy Butler inconsistent.

But Jimmy shows up in playoffs cant say that about Hero. Hello long time lurker and finally decided to join. Huge heat fan and get most of my heat news from this forum.

[Bishop45]

Still more worried about defense than guardplay, but I'm down for whatever the FO wants to do

Healthy, we're as good as most of the playoff teams in the East and have enough to compete with the top 3 teams

[RexBoyWonder]

Still more worried about defense than guardplay, but I'm down for whatever the FO wants to do

Healthy, we're as good as most of the playoff teams in the East and have enough to compete with the top 3 teams

I have ZERO faith in Rich and Lowry in big playoffs games.

They could combine for 4 points on 2-13 shooting and I won't be even slightly surprised.

Herro is good and improving, but still not very consistent because when you don't get to line you're prone to inefficient offensive games.

He's simply not elite enough to carry Rich/Lowry. That guard rotation isn't good enough.
That's a rotation of 1 good starter (not a superstar) in Herro, and 2 deep bench guys masquerading as starters/playing big minutes in Lowry and Rich.

We desperately need a guard that can consistently score, create, get to the line and be passable on defense.

[Bishop45]

Still more worried about defense than guardplay, but I'm down for whatever the FO wants to do

Healthy, we're as good as most of the playoff teams in the East and have enough to compete with the top 3 teams

I have ZERO faith in Rich and Lowry in big playoffs games.

They could combine for 4 points on 2-13 shooting and I won't be even slightly surprised.

Herro is good and improving, but still not very consistent because when you don't get to line you're prone to inefficient offensive games.

He's simply not elite enough to carry Rich/Lowry. That guard rotation isn't good enough.
That's a rotation of 1 good starter (not a superstar) in Herro, and 2 deep bench guys masquerading as starters/playing big minutes in Lowry and Rich.

We desperately need a guard that can consistently score, create, get to the line and be passable on defense.

I think desperately is a stretch and the guards available to us are likely not going to push us up over the contender hump, if we are close enough to make that jump. In the end we might just have too many holes to fill without the resources to do so. Either way, I'll enjoy this team and highly competitive conference this year

[dubasilva]

I'm with you here. I've seen enough of Tyler Hierro. Let's make an offer to bring someone that can make us better.

Hierro is a role player and makes too much money for his inconsistent playing.

He's had two games of single digit scoring all season, one of which he got injured in. He's had two games where he's scored double digits but below 20. He's played 18 games. You can point to three games and say, "He's not consistent enough." By contrast, we have a player who's played in 24 games and scored below twenty points eleven times. No one calls Jimmy Butler inconsistent.

But Jimmy shows up in playoffs cant say that about Hero. Hello long time lurker and finally decided to join. Huge heat fan and get most of my heat news from this forum.

Welcome!

[MettaWorldPanda]

Friendly reminder that if we are serious about fixing our PG spot and paying attention to the cap this year and next then we are going to have to put Duncan Robinson's 18 million dollar contract and at least 1 first round pick in play. This in turn allows us to keep Lowry's 30 million and let's him expire. This also in turn gets Duncan's 18 million off the books and allows us to resign or absorb the contract of the player we bring in. A good example would be trading Duncan's 18 millon for Tyus Jones and his 14 million. We would incur 4 million of wiggle room against the cap this year and allow us to fill out the roster but also have money to resign Jones next year. Jones's comes in and back's up Lowry or starts over him for the remainder of the year but now we also have a PG going into next year with Jones after Lowry leaves.

[MettaWorldPanda]

https://heavy.com/sports/miami-heat/trade-wizards-point-guard-tyus-jones/

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/should-the-miami-heat-pursue-tyus-jones

[BBallFreak]

I'm with you here. I've seen enough of Tyler Hierro. Let's make an offer to bring someone that can make us better.

Hierro is a role player and makes too much money for his inconsistent playing.

He's had two games of single digit scoring all season, one of which he got injured in. He's had two games where he's scored double digits but below 20. He's played 18 games. You can point to three games and say, "He's not consistent enough." By contrast, we have a player who's played in 24 games and scored below twenty points eleven times. No one calls Jimmy Butler inconsistent.

But Jimmy shows up in playoffs cant say that about Hero. Hello long time lurker and finally decided to join. Huge heat fan and get most of my heat news from this forum.

Yes, Jimmy shows up in the playoffs, but we can't exactly extol the virtue of consistency even there. And Herro's playoff struggles tie in directly to my concerns about him - a complete lack of durability.

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