Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 1: Post Mortem

[DayofMourning]

Herro, from what he has shown, can be a great 3rd option scoring wise. The problem is he's asked to be the 1st on our team. That doesn't mean he's trash lol.

It's easy to sh*t on him and I really don't think anyone is saying he's the next Booker anymore.


"But he makes too much to be a third option!" - that's incorrect. Herro was paid 27m this season, which was the 52nd highest salary in the NBA.

"Herro has to be traded in order for us to get a first option" - you're probably correct. And if that does indeed happen it only goes to show that he's a positive asset (not trash like many on here are suggesting lol).

In a perfect world, you would actually flip Duncan Robinson's and Terry Rozier's salaries (combined 40m) and find yourself a first option - which would put Herro in third place offensively behind Option A and Jimmy butler. That would allow Bam to be 4th offensively, where he himself could average 16-20 points on close to 60% TS.


The problem is, we have a bunch of complimentary scorers (Herro, Rozier, Bam) who we're trying to morph into go-to scorers, and that's not their natural fit.

Thats an interesting stat. If you take the 30 teams and multiply them times 2 stars then Herro is at the back end of 2nd option salary and paid well for a 3rd option. What is the average salary for a 3rd option I wonder.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Jeff Teague spitballed a pretty good idea for Atl which is to keep Young and trade Murray to The Pels for Ingram and the #1 pick to Brooklyn for Bridges.

Bridges has now become extremely overrated. Craziest part of it is Brooklyn probably says no, they’re delusional as hell about him after having apparently turning down offers of 4-5 1sts.

[Lennyzinho]

Mitchell will not be in a Cavs uniform next season. The fact that he didn't play in a closeout-game situation says it all.

Wouldn't be surprised if Cavs drafted Bronny and then traded Mitchell to LAL for LeBron

Or Lebron comes to CLE on a one year deal, Donovan plays out his contract and they draft bronny in 2nd round and they go for it.

And lakers blow it up and send AD to the Knicks for Randle Bojan and picks.

And then the east gets alot more difficult. Albeit still easier than the west.

[carnageta]

Herro, from what he has shown, can be a great 3rd option scoring wise. The problem is he's asked to be the 1st on our team. That doesn't mean he's trash lol.

It's easy to sh*t on him and I really don't think anyone is saying he's the next Booker anymore.


"But he makes too much to be a third option!" - that's incorrect. Herro was paid 27m this season, which was the 52nd highest salary in the NBA.

"Herro has to be traded in order for us to get a first option" - you're probably correct. And if that does indeed happen it only goes to show that he's a positive asset (not trash like many on here are suggesting lol).

In a perfect world, you would actually flip Duncan Robinson's and Terry Rozier's salaries (combined 40m) and find yourself a first option - which would put Herro in third place offensively behind Option A and Jimmy butler. That would allow Bam to be 4th offensively, where he himself could average 16-20 points on close to 60% TS.


The problem is, we have a bunch of complimentary scorers (Herro, Rozier, Bam) who we're trying to morph into go-to scorers, and that's not their natural fit.

Thats an interesting stat. If you take the 30 teams and multiply them times 2 stars then Herro is at the back end of 2nd option salary and paid well for a 3rd option. What is the average salary for a 3rd option I wonder.

Kristapz Porzingis (3rd option behind Tatum and Brown) - paid $36m this season.

Michael Porter Jr. (3rd option behind Jokic and Murray) - paid $33.5m this season.

Aaron Gordon (4th option behind Jokic, Murray, and MPJ) - paid $22.2m this season.

Kris Middleton (3rd option behind Giannis and Dame) - paid $29m this season.


Herro (27m) earns approximately the same as guys like Jeremy Grant (27.5m), Jordan Poole (27.5m), Kyle Kuzma (25m), John Collins (25m), Brooke Lopez (24m), Mike Conley (24m), Andrew Wiggins (24m), Anfernee Simons (24m). He's better than 2/3 of the people on this list. He's only 24 years old, hence why we're paying a very slight premium (due to the potential).


Denver this season is paying 56m combined on 3rd and 4th options (MPJ and Aaron Gordon). That's only 3m less than Bam and Herro combined (Bam earns 32m and Herro 27m, totalling 59m).


Herro's contract really is not that bad at all, imo. Our money allocation in some of our other assets is what as killed us.

Like I said, in an ideal world we would have allocated Roziers and Duncans salaries (combined 40m) and got another star on the team. 40m would afford you the likes of Donovan Mitchell, Kyrie Irving, D'Aaron Fox, Anthony Davis, Brandon Ingram, Trae Young etc. You add any one of those guys to our roster, and Bam and Herro automatically shift a tad bit lower on the offensive totem pole - where they rightfully belong.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Read on Twitter

So they’re potentially both out then. If they’re putting it out there that garland would like to go somewhere else if Mitchell stays then it’s already in his head to get out and Mitchell isn’t staying there long term, he wants to be in a big market

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Oh damn the Cavs are actually cooked lol

[MettaWorldPanda]

Cavs will trade Mitchell and keep Garland and the Klutch crew happy. I still don’t think we have near enough to get anywhere near some of these teams offers. I also don’t see Mitchell repeating what Lillard did last year with a Miami only media hit. Cavs have to recover some of that haul they sent to the Jazz and will be looking for teams with the
most valued picks. A team we are not. Spurs have everything at their disposal right now to make an offer that trumps everyone. I think pop loves Mitchell. I think we have a better shot at Lillard 2.0 then any Mitchell sweepstakes.

[marson]

DJJ would be a good replacement if Caleb and Jagsmith are both out. I'm not sure how money works

[IceColdCubano]

Cavs will trade Mitchell and keep Garland and the Klutch crew happy. I still don’t think we have near enough to get anywhere near some of these teams offers. I also don’t see Mitchell repeating what Lillard did last year with a Miami only media hit. Cavs have to recover some of that haul they sent to the Jazz and will be looking for teams with the
most valued picks. A team we are not. Spurs have everything at their disposal right now to make an offer that trumps everyone. I think pop loves Mitchell. I think we have a better shot at Lillard 2.0 then any Mitchell sweepstakes.

Lebron in Cleveland, an actual NBA game which he never does is suspicious, I think hes after something, hes trying to get Mitchell to quietly do something behind the curtains to get him to LA, with the promise of taking over the franchise in another year.

[IceColdCubano]

Jeff Teague spitballed a pretty good idea for Atl which is to keep Young and trade Murray to The Pels for Ingram and the #1 pick to Brooklyn for Bridges.

Bridges has now become extremely overrated. Craziest part of it is Brooklyn probably says no, they’re delusional as hell about him after having apparently turning down offers of 4-5 1sts.

I don't know whos getting more overrated lately, Bridges or Brandon Ingram.

[marson]

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So they’re potentially both out then. If they’re putting it out there that garland would like to go somewhere else if Mitchell stays then it’s already in his head to get out and Mitchell isn’t staying there long term, he wants to be in a big market

MWP is right. Klutch sports are parasites in this day of age. Cleveland does not deserve this.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Shams reporting growing belief that Mitchell could be open to the extension with the Cavs, would be shocking and a buzzkill but I guess we’ll see. If so gotta go hard after Trae or Dame

[RexBoyWonder]

Shams reporting growing belief that Mitchell could be open to the extension with the Cavs, would be shocking and a buzzkill but I guess we’ll see. If so gotta go hard after Trae or Dame

At some point you've got to realize you're beaten.

If we can't get Mitchell, and he's definitely worth going all in for - we need to accept the fact that we're done as a contender for the time being.

Going full desperate for the Ingram's/old over the hill Lilard of the world won't do us any good long term. I rather just rebuild and come back stronger and younger in a couple of years.

[contract]

Herro, from what he has shown, can be a great 3rd option scoring wise. The problem is he's asked to be the 1st on our team. That doesn't mean he's trash lol.

It's easy to sh*t on him and I really don't think anyone is saying he's the next Booker anymore.


"But he makes too much to be a third option!" - that's incorrect. Herro was paid 27m this season, which was the 52nd highest salary in the NBA.

"Herro has to be traded in order for us to get a first option" - you're probably correct. And if that does indeed happen it only goes to show that he's a positive asset (not trash like many on here are suggesting lol).

In a perfect world, you would actually flip Duncan Robinson's and Terry Rozier's salaries (combined 40m) and find yourself a first option - which would put Herro in third place offensively behind Option A and Jimmy butler. That would allow Bam to be 4th offensively, where he himself could average 16-20 points on close to 60% TS.


The problem is, we have a bunch of complimentary scorers (Herro, Rozier, Bam) who we're trying to morph into go-to scorers, and that's not their natural fit.

Thats an interesting stat. If you take the 30 teams and multiply them times 2 stars then Herro is at the back end of 2nd option salary and paid well for a 3rd option. What is the average salary for a 3rd option I wonder.

The problem with Herro as the 3rd option is that's not the way he plays. He's led this team in shots per game for 3 years running. He averaged 3 more shots per game than anyone else this season. He has a scorers mentality but he doesn't have the game to back it up.

Herro should be an upgraded version of Duncan Robinson, but he wants to be Steph Curry. And putting the ball in his hands just makes things worse.

[contract]

Mitchell will not be in a Cavs uniform next season. The fact that he didn't play in a closeout-game situation says it all.

Wouldn't be surprised if Cavs drafted Bronny and then traded Mitchell to LAL for LeBron

It either says that he's injured or that he's a guy you don't want on your team.

[MartyConlonJr]

Herro, from what he has shown, can be a great 3rd option scoring wise. The problem is he's asked to be the 1st on our team. That doesn't mean he's trash lol.

It's easy to sh*t on him and I really don't think anyone is saying he's the next Booker anymore.


"But he makes too much to be a third option!" - that's incorrect. Herro was paid 27m this season, which was the 52nd highest salary in the NBA.

"Herro has to be traded in order for us to get a first option" - you're probably correct. And if that does indeed happen it only goes to show that he's a positive asset (not trash like many on here are suggesting lol).

In a perfect world, you would actually flip Duncan Robinson's and Terry Rozier's salaries (combined 40m) and find yourself a first option - which would put Herro in third place offensively behind Option A and Jimmy butler. That would allow Bam to be 4th offensively, where he himself could average 16-20 points on close to 60% TS.


The problem is, we have a bunch of complimentary scorers (Herro, Rozier, Bam) who we're trying to morph into go-to scorers, and that's not their natural fit.

Thats an interesting stat. If you take the 30 teams and multiply them times 2 stars then Herro is at the back end of 2nd option salary and paid well for a 3rd option. What is the average salary for a 3rd option I wonder.

If you add in guys like Gobert or Jaren Jackson Jr that fill other roles other than 3rd option, and are paid more than Herro for different reasons, it probably pushes him into second option pay level.

[NightWatch]

Mitchell will not be in a Cavs uniform next season. The fact that he didn't play in a closeout-game situation says it all.

Wouldn't be surprised if Cavs drafted Bronny and then traded Mitchell to LAL for LeBron

Or Lebron comes to CLE on a one year deal, Donovan plays out his contract and they draft bronny in 2nd round and they go for it.

And lakers blow it up and send AD to the Knicks for Randle Bojan and picks.

And then the east gets alot more difficult. Albeit still easier than the west.

lol you re reading too much into that. Mitchell is dealing with calf strain. He was probable to return that night but he took risked to play through that injury against all the reasons. I know what calf strain feels like. I would rather have sprain ankle than dealing with calf strain.

[SA37]

Man Herro Stan’s are something else, he shows you year after year he’s a role player who can sometimes get hot at best but you all still keep trucking along like he’s the next Booker. I gotta give credit to your loyalty tbh

He's definitely closer to a role player than a star. I still think he is like CJ McCollum, who is a good player, but is too inconsistent to be an all-star.

Miami could probably move Herro for Lavine or DeRozan, but both of those moves have serious downsides/risks. Outside of that, Miami would likely have to move Herro for some combination of role players.

I used to think he had a CJ ceiling but I’m not sure anymore. CJ is likely an all star at some point out East and peak CJ clears Herro so far pretty easily

Perhaps, but I'd just remind everyone that Herro plays on the one of the most pathetically run offenses in the league. It may be one of those cases, like with Glen Rice or Jamal Mashburn, where Herro goes to another team and his output goes up simply because he has a different role and more offensive freedom. That may not be the case, but I am just saying it is possible.

[Kobewade11]

Klutch at it again. Im shocked I tell you, shocked.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Klutch at it again. Im shocked I tell you, shocked.

We can probably safely chalk this to year 11 that we will not engage, draft, trade for any Klutch clients. Look what the Bulls are having to deal with having Ball collecting paychecks on cadaver knees and LaVine being a total ahole. Anyone under Klutch just comes with that Rich Paul control baggage that can ruin franchises quickly on a whim. Kudos to Trae Young for getting away.