Miami Heat 2023 Off-Season Thread 1.0 - Give them Cancun!!!

[Spacely]

I don’t think Kyrie gets a max or even a 5 year deal.

I’m thinking like 3/100-120M maybe? His antics have probably killed someone giving him massive long term money.

Herro and dipos expiring and we keep Lowry and picks to fill out the rest of the roster.

Depends if other teams are willing to drop the max on him, if not then we could have some leverage on that

[MettaWorldPanda]

So Dallas just lets him walk for nothing?(if he even has a market, somebody might bite though) Get what you can

Not to us as we don't have cap space.

Then we simply move on, That wasn’t the point. Another team can snag him up. So they either be fine with the players we send them or they get nothing and lost their role players for a rental.

Dorian Finney-Smith, Spencer Dinwiddie, a 2029 first-round draft pick, and two second-rounders is what they had to trade for Kyrie. Rest assured they would be thrilled to get someone of Herro's caliber for Irving.

[greg4012]

Haha, Dame is by far option 1 but Kyrie is a great fallback (better than Beal) and I’ve always been on board with getting him! I was begging for him last summer lol

3 level all star scorer completes this team and wins us championships, yes, championships!

Can you expound on how Kyrie is better than Beal? I see them similar level, although I understand why Kyrie has had more cache as a player due to being on more competitive teams. I legitimately think this is worth the thought exercise.

Age wise it’s definitely Beal but he’s a wild card to me. What’s been going on with him since Westbrook left? Is this what Beal is now or is he more of the prior 2 seasons where he was at 31-4-6. That contract is massive. Looking at it now, he’s only a year and some change younger than Kyrie, im not sure that’s enough to really decide between the 2.

I believe Kyrie to be the better scorer, shooter, playmaker and rebounder. The shooting is big to be, he’s a better 3 point shooter on twice the volume, that’s exactly what this team is lacking. Also elite in iso situations and has shown to take his game to an extremely high level on the biggest stage, we don’t have that with Beal. I think you get Kyrie on a much better contract too and keep assets to fill out the roster.

Pecking order for me right now:

1. Dame
2. Kyrie
3. Beal

We need an elite Pg, someone that can provide rim pressure and find bam on dump offs and pick n roll settings. These guys will make the team far better but will also make Bam better. I’m so tired of guys not being able to make a simple pass to him for the easy bucket, Dragic was great at it

I agree with most of what you're saying. Just don't see the numbers showing any real gap between Kyrie and Beal. Kyrie is a superior pull-up 3-point shooter. I def agree on that. I do believe consideration needs to be given to the difference between creating your own offense when you're running out there with Kyle Kuzma vs creating your own offense when the defense is focused on shutting down Durant or Luka.

All I hope is that Miami actually has viable options this offseason. I'm absolutely rooting for that. If we can end up with any of those 3 it's a big win. Dame is #1 by a substantial gap for me.

[greg4012]

Can you expound on how Kyrie is better than Beal? I see them similar level, although I understand why Kyrie has had more cache as a player due to being on more competitive teams. I legitimately think this is worth the thought exercise.

Age wise it’s definitely Beal but he’s a wild card to me. What’s been going on with him since Westbrook left? Is this what Beal is now or is he more of the prior 2 seasons where he was at 31-4-6. That contract is massive. Looking at it now, he’s only a year and some change younger than Kyrie, im not sure that’s enough to really decide between the 2.

I believe Kyrie to be the better scorer, shooter, playmaker and rebounder. The shooting is big to be, he’s a better 3 point shooter on twice the volume, that’s exactly what this team is lacking. Also elite in iso situations and has shown to take his game to an extremely high level on the biggest stage, we don’t have that with Beal. I think you get Kyrie on a much better contract too and keep assets to fill out the roster.

Pecking order for me right now:

1. Dame
2. Kyrie
3. Beal

We need an elite Pg, someone that can provide rim pressure and find bam on dump offs and pick n roll settings. These guys will make the team far better but will also make Bam better. I’m so tired of guys not being able to make a simple pass to him for the easy bucket, Dragic was great at it

We just had a 38 year old Kyle Lowry playing major minutes in the finals and we are sitting here discussing Kyrie 5 years from now at 36

Strawman much?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Can you expound on how Kyrie is better than Beal? I see them similar level, although I understand why Kyrie has had more cache as a player due to being on more competitive teams. I legitimately think this is worth the thought exercise.

Age wise it’s definitely Beal but he’s a wild card to me. What’s been going on with him since Westbrook left? Is this what Beal is now or is he more of the prior 2 seasons where he was at 31-4-6. That contract is massive. Looking at it now, he’s only a year and some change younger than Kyrie, im not sure that’s enough to really decide between the 2.

I believe Kyrie to be the better scorer, shooter, playmaker and rebounder. The shooting is big to be, he’s a better 3 point shooter on twice the volume, that’s exactly what this team is lacking. Also elite in iso situations and has shown to take his game to an extremely high level on the biggest stage, we don’t have that with Beal. I think you get Kyrie on a much better contract too and keep assets to fill out the roster.

Pecking order for me right now:

1. Dame
2. Kyrie
3. Beal

We need an elite Pg, someone that can provide rim pressure and find bam on dump offs and pick n roll settings. These guys will make the team far better but will also make Bam better. I’m so tired of guys not being able to make a simple pass to him for the easy bucket, Dragic was great at it

I agree with most of what you're saying. Just don't see the numbers showing any real gap between Kyrie and Beal. Kyrie is a superior pull-up 3-point shooter. I def agree on that. I do believe consideration needs to be given to the difference between creating your own offense when you're running out there with Kyle Kuzma vs creating your own offense when the defense is focused on shutting down Durant or Luka.

All I hope is that Miami actually has viable options this offseason. I'm absolutely rooting for that. If we can end up with any of those 3 it's a big win. Dame is #1 by a substantial gap for me.

Dame by a MILE and then some

[Kobewade11]

Then we simply move on, That wasn’t the point. Another team can snag him up. So they either be fine with the players we send them or they get nothing and lost their role players for a rental.

They wont lose him for nothing because Kyrie isn't leaving 70M on the table signing outright with another team. That's also what leaves the door open to avoid paying a tax on acquiring him, it wouldn't necessarily have to be our best package. Kyrie is a flight risk so trepidation around a move is warranted imo, I think we'll see other names emerge over the next week or so.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Can you expound on how Kyrie is better than Beal? I see them similar level, although I understand why Kyrie has had more cache as a player due to being on more competitive teams. I legitimately think this is worth the thought exercise.

Age wise it’s definitely Beal but he’s a wild card to me. What’s been going on with him since Westbrook left? Is this what Beal is now or is he more of the prior 2 seasons where he was at 31-4-6. That contract is massive. Looking at it now, he’s only a year and some change younger than Kyrie, im not sure that’s enough to really decide between the 2.

I believe Kyrie to be the better scorer, shooter, playmaker and rebounder. The shooting is big to be, he’s a better 3 point shooter on twice the volume, that’s exactly what this team is lacking. Also elite in iso situations and has shown to take his game to an extremely high level on the biggest stage, we don’t have that with Beal. I think you get Kyrie on a much better contract too and keep assets to fill out the roster.

Pecking order for me right now:

1. Dame
2. Kyrie
3. Beal

We need an elite Pg, someone that can provide rim pressure and find bam on dump offs and pick n roll settings. These guys will make the team far better but will also make Bam better. I’m so tired of guys not being able to make a simple pass to him for the easy bucket, Dragic was great at it

We just had a 38 year old Kyle Lowry playing major minutes in the finals and we are sitting here discussing Kyrie 5 years from now at 36

What do you mean lol? I’m fine with Kyrie at 36, I just don’t think a team is going to give Kyrie a 5 year max or even 5 year deal period because of his antics. 3 years seems like the most likely route, then you reevaluate

[Spacely]

Age wise it’s definitely Beal but he’s a wild card to me. What’s been going on with him since Westbrook left? Is this what Beal is now or is he more of the prior 2 seasons where he was at 31-4-6. That contract is massive. Looking at it now, he’s only a year and some change younger than Kyrie, im not sure that’s enough to really decide between the 2.

I believe Kyrie to be the better scorer, shooter, playmaker and rebounder. The shooting is big to be, he’s a better 3 point shooter on twice the volume, that’s exactly what this team is lacking. Also elite in iso situations and has shown to take his game to an extremely high level on the biggest stage, we don’t have that with Beal. I think you get Kyrie on a much better contract too and keep assets to fill out the roster.

Pecking order for me right now:

1. Dame
2. Kyrie
3. Beal

We need an elite Pg, someone that can provide rim pressure and find bam on dump offs and pick n roll settings. These guys will make the team far better but will also make Bam better. I’m so tired of guys not being able to make a simple pass to him for the easy bucket, Dragic was great at it

I agree with most of what you're saying. Just don't see the numbers showing any real gap between Kyrie and Beal. Kyrie is a superior pull-up 3-point shooter. I def agree on that. I do believe consideration needs to be given to the difference between creating your own offense when you're running out there with Kyle Kuzma vs creating your own offense when the defense is focused on shutting down Durant or Luka.

All I hope is that Miami actually has viable options this offseason. I'm absolutely rooting for that. If we can end up with any of those 3 it's a big win. Dame is #1 by a substantial gap for me.

Dame by a MILE and then some

The real question is is dame gonna be serious about leaving? Should we sit around and wait for him to make a decision and miss out on the likes of Kyrie and others? If he never leaves this will be another L waiting in a whale to make a move and ending up with chit.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I agree with most of what you're saying. Just don't see the numbers showing any real gap between Kyrie and Beal. Kyrie is a superior pull-up 3-point shooter. I def agree on that. I do believe consideration needs to be given to the difference between creating your own offense when you're running out there with Kyle Kuzma vs creating your own offense when the defense is focused on shutting down Durant or Luka.

All I hope is that Miami actually has viable options this offseason. I'm absolutely rooting for that. If we can end up with any of those 3 it's a big win. Dame is #1 by a substantial gap for me.

Dame by a MILE and then some

The real question is is dame gonna be serious about leaving? Should we sit around and wait for him to make a decision and miss out on the likes of Kyrie and others? If he never leaves this will be another L waiting in a whale to make a move and ending up with chit.

Dames told portland to basically build a legit contender this summer or trade him. No in between, not even at the deadline, it has to be this summer. He’s came out and said this. The draft will be telling

[MettaWorldPanda]

Age wise it’s definitely Beal but he’s a wild card to me. What’s been going on with him since Westbrook left? Is this what Beal is now or is he more of the prior 2 seasons where he was at 31-4-6. That contract is massive. Looking at it now, he’s only a year and some change younger than Kyrie, im not sure that’s enough to really decide between the 2.

I believe Kyrie to be the better scorer, shooter, playmaker and rebounder. The shooting is big to be, he’s a better 3 point shooter on twice the volume, that’s exactly what this team is lacking. Also elite in iso situations and has shown to take his game to an extremely high level on the biggest stage, we don’t have that with Beal. I think you get Kyrie on a much better contract too and keep assets to fill out the roster.

Pecking order for me right now:

1. Dame
2. Kyrie
3. Beal

We need an elite Pg, someone that can provide rim pressure and find bam on dump offs and pick n roll settings. These guys will make the team far better but will also make Bam better. I’m so tired of guys not being able to make a simple pass to him for the easy bucket, Dragic was great at it

We just had a 38 year old Kyle Lowry playing major minutes in the finals and we are sitting here discussing Kyrie 5 years from now at 36

What do you mean lol? I’m fine with Kyrie at 36, I just don’t think a team is going to give Kyrie a 5 year max or even 5 year deal period because of his antics. 3 years seems like the most likely route, then you reevaluate

Your going to be very surprised when Kyrie gets what he wants but you'll be happy regardless. Nobody in there right mind thought Lowry was worth 30 per year but yet here we are at age 38-39

[Spacely]

Age wise it’s definitely Beal but he’s a wild card to me. What’s been going on with him since Westbrook left? Is this what Beal is now or is he more of the prior 2 seasons where he was at 31-4-6. That contract is massive. Looking at it now, he’s only a year and some change younger than Kyrie, im not sure that’s enough to really decide between the 2.

I believe Kyrie to be the better scorer, shooter, playmaker and rebounder. The shooting is big to be, he’s a better 3 point shooter on twice the volume, that’s exactly what this team is lacking. Also elite in iso situations and has shown to take his game to an extremely high level on the biggest stage, we don’t have that with Beal. I think you get Kyrie on a much better contract too and keep assets to fill out the roster.

Pecking order for me right now:

1. Dame
2. Kyrie
3. Beal

We need an elite Pg, someone that can provide rim pressure and find bam on dump offs and pick n roll settings. These guys will make the team far better but will also make Bam better. I’m so tired of guys not being able to make a simple pass to him for the easy bucket, Dragic was great at it

We just had a 38 year old Kyle Lowry playing major minutes in the finals and we are sitting here discussing Kyrie 5 years from now at 36

What do you mean lol? I’m fine with Kyrie at 36, I just don’t think a team is going to give Kyrie a 5 year max or even 5 year deal period because of his antics. 3 years seems like the most likely route, then you reevaluate

Honestly 3 years does make since too because that fits the time line of Jimmy and Bams contract as well, all three would be free agents at the same time.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Dame by a MILE and then some

The real question is is dame gonna be serious about leaving? Should we sit around and wait for him to make a decision and miss out on the likes of Kyrie and others? If he never leaves this will be another L waiting in a whale to make a move and ending up with chit.

Dames told portland to basically build a legit contender this summer or trade him. No in between, not even at the deadline, it has to be this summer. He’s came out and said this. The draft will be telling

Here is what Portland needs to happen. Resign Grant then trade Scoot and Simons to NO's for Ingram and NO's pick at 14

[Spacely]

The real question is is dame gonna be serious about leaving? Should we sit around and wait for him to make a decision and miss out on the likes of Kyrie and others? If he never leaves this will be another L waiting in a whale to make a move and ending up with chit.

Dames told portland to basically build a legit contender this summer or trade him. No in between, not even at the deadline, it has to be this summer. He’s came out and said this. The draft will be telling

Here is what Portland needs to happen. Resign Grant then trade Scoot and Simons to NO's for Ingram and NO's pick at 14

I doubt they trade Ingram

[greg4012]

We just had a 38 year old Kyle Lowry playing major minutes in the finals and we are sitting here discussing Kyrie 5 years from now at 36

What do you mean lol? I’m fine with Kyrie at 36, I just don’t think a team is going to give Kyrie a 5 year max or even 5 year deal period because of his antics. 3 years seems like the most likely route, then you reevaluate

Honestly 3 years does make since too because that fits the time line of Jimmy and Bams contract as well, all three would be free agents at the same time.

3 years sounds great. 5 years sounds terrifying. We've seen what Kyrie on long-term deals looks like--he has a consistent track record of sowing discord and disaster.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We just had a 38 year old Kyle Lowry playing major minutes in the finals and we are sitting here discussing Kyrie 5 years from now at 36

What do you mean lol? I’m fine with Kyrie at 36, I just don’t think a team is going to give Kyrie a 5 year max or even 5 year deal period because of his antics. 3 years seems like the most likely route, then you reevaluate

Honestly 3 years does make since too because that fits the time line of Jimmy and Bams contract as well, all three would be free agents at the same time.

That’s when friendships matter and you add a Mitchell/Tatum to the mix with Bam and an older Kyrie and Jimmy to prolong the run

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The real question is is dame gonna be serious about leaving? Should we sit around and wait for him to make a decision and miss out on the likes of Kyrie and others? If he never leaves this will be another L waiting in a whale to make a move and ending up with chit.

Dames told portland to basically build a legit contender this summer or trade him. No in between, not even at the deadline, it has to be this summer. He’s came out and said this. The draft will be telling

Here is what Portland needs to happen. Resign Grant then trade Scoot and Simons to NO's for Ingram and NO's pick at 14

Pelicans are hard after scoot

[Shewasfly]

It makes just about zero sense to trade Herro for Kyrie.

Herro for Dame is one thing. Unlikely the Blazers accept without wanting Bam, but if we can pull it off great. Kyrie on the other hand, makes no sense. He's a net negative at this point and has repeatedly shown unwillingness to do the exact things that got us to the Finals this year. Spo might be able to whip him into shape sure, but its not a burden I'd care to put on him or the coaching staff.

A trade for Kyrie should be around picks and salary relief like Lowry/Dipo. They get picks instead of giving him up for nothing, Kyrie locks up a likely nauseating long term deal, and we upgrade without giving up any additional player assets. You can then maybe flip Herro for a real big man/low post presence to put next to Bam.

I can already tell this off season trade thread is going to be full of idiotic proposals by agenda driven 'fans' though.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We just had a 38 year old Kyle Lowry playing major minutes in the finals and we are sitting here discussing Kyrie 5 years from now at 36

What do you mean lol? I’m fine with Kyrie at 36, I just don’t think a team is going to give Kyrie a 5 year max or even 5 year deal period because of his antics. 3 years seems like the most likely route, then you reevaluate

Your going to be very surprised when Kyrie gets what he wants but you'll be happy regardless. Nobody in there right mind thought Lowry was worth 30 per year but yet here we are at age 38-39

I’ll be excited to get a Kyrie level player regardless, I’ll be shocked at 5 years but if that’s what it takes that’s what it takes. They better have him on his best behavior and there better be numerous stipulations in that contract

[MettaWorldPanda]

Dames told portland to basically build a legit contender this summer or trade him. No in between, not even at the deadline, it has to be this summer. He’s came out and said this. The draft will be telling

Here is what Portland needs to happen. Resign Grant then trade Scoot and Simons to NO's for Ingram and NO's pick at 14

I doubt they trade Ingram

They just might. Need to free up room for budding star who plays the same position making much less in Trey Murphy. Plus they lock in there PG of the future with Scoot.