Miami Heat 2024 Regular Season - Thread 4.0

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Dennis Smith compliments Rozier well as his backup imo because of his great defense, he brings another dynamic to the PG position for us and while we need the offense to pick up we also need some more respectable defenders.

[MettaWorldPanda]

What’s realistic for Royce and DFS separately and as a package deal?

Royce, DFS, Dennis Smith Jr equal 25.4 million

Duncan and Martin equal 24.9

You’re likely sending a combination of Jovic, a 1st, and/or a 2nd imo too. Just basing it out the Nets reportedly wanting 2 1sts for DFS which they obviously won’t get.

Yes that’s pretty much a certain. Jovic and 2026 LAL pick would need to be sent out

[MettaWorldPanda]

Dennis Smith compliments Rozier well as his backup imo because of his great defense, he brings another dynamic to the PG position for us and while we need the offense to pick up we also need some more respectable defenders.

He was Rozier’s backup in Charlotte

[Enso]

Nobody wants to start the C’s thread lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Dennis Smith compliments Rozier well as his backup imo because of his great defense, he brings another dynamic to the PG position for us and while we need the offense to pick up we also need some more respectable defenders.

He was Rozier’s backup in Charlotte

Forgot about that lol, his defensive impact numbers were great there too

[Big Dee Chi-Born]

The real issue going on right now is this team really misses JJJ’s ability to get to the rim and finish consistently or make timely kick outs. Jimmy is just not getting there enough right now as he’s working his way back. Rozier should help us get more rim attack buckets, especially in transition off turnovers. We absolutely suck at one on one attacks if it’s just one guy back on defense.

But we definitely need another guy who can get to the basket and finish with quickness and athleticism. That used to be Caleb here and there but his leg injuries are killing that part of his game. Without another major trade I don’t see how we find that guy. I’m not sure what kinda shape he’s in right now, but Terence Davis II is still a free agent. If we can get off of Smith’s contract he’s a great low cost target as a backup pg.

[AirP.]

What about Doug McDermott or cedi osman

McDermott not much of a defender. Would rather a dog like O’Neale

What about a PF who can hit 3s, is a tough defender, only 25 and makes around 12-14 mil for the next 3 years but likes to talk trash?

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[NightWatch]

It can if Herro just gets out the way and looks to hit open shots instead of trying to handle ball and over pass or drive to the rim when it’s packed

Too many players who want to be at the top of the key

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Spo enables this too though. He needs to consolidate the offense .

What do you want spo to do though? Jimmy Butler won’t be out of his pajamas until playoff time.

[Pokuokic]

If I am sending Tyler Herro to Utah I want Lauri Markkanen in return, screw getting KO and filler. Throw the remaining pick or two get the PF we need next to Bam, role out there. Terry, Duncan, Jimmy, Lauri, Bam....talk about complementing each other, lots of 3pt shooting, spacing, playmaking and size.

To get Lauri you need to send JJJ/Herro/Jovic plus 2 1st round pick and some swaps at least and even than I'm not sure the Jazz would do it, I think Collins from Utah might be more realistic for the Heat and is 100% a Miami type player and could do a lot of the stuff Lowry was doing.

[Pokuokic]

Another option at PF is Harrison Barnes who has been crap so far this year for the Kings interesting fit....Kings also got Davion Mitchell who could be a good back up. Kings could really use Martin he'd be huge with them as the SF and move Murray to PF.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Another option at PF is Harrison Barnes who has been crap so far this year for the Kings interesting fit....Kings also got Davion Mitchell who could be a good back up. Kings could really use Martin he'd be huge with them as the SF and move Murray to PF.

That's great but Martin and Barnes are not even close when it comes to contracts and they have no need for Duncan when they already have Huerter so no where near a trade match

[MettaWorldPanda]

If I am sending Tyler Herro to Utah I want Lauri Markkanen in return, screw getting KO and filler. Throw the remaining pick or two get the PF we need next to Bam, role out there. Terry, Duncan, Jimmy, Lauri, Bam....talk about complementing each other, lots of 3pt shooting, spacing, playmaking and size.

To get Lauri you need to send JJJ/Herro/Jovic plus 2 1st round pick and some swaps at least and even than I'm not sure the Jazz would do it, I think Collins from Utah might be more realistic for the Heat and is 100% a Miami type player and could do a lot of the stuff Lowry was doing.

I have always liked Collins but I question his fit with Bam. Utah has essentially made him there starting Center playing in a Bam type of role. He's also making 25 per and would take Duncan and Martin to get but if that's the price I would be willing to give it a look but unfortunately I don't think the organization can deal with that long term money contract even if it does involve Duncan going out in this deal.

[Pokuokic]

Another option at PF is Harrison Barnes who has been crap so far this year for the Kings interesting fit....Kings also got Davion Mitchell who could be a good back up. Kings could really use Martin he'd be huge with them as the SF and move Murray to PF.

That's great but Martin and Barnes are not even close when it comes to contracts and they have no need for Duncan when they already have Huerter so no where near a trade match

Robinson is a year less on his contract so it would and any extra spacing for Fox and Sabonis is valued, Barnes is a good 3pt shooter but Duncan is elite and does not require much touches, it would also allow the Kings to move Huerter if they want since he's been down as well I think it makes a lot of sense for both to do Barnes/Mitchell for Robinson/Martin.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Another option at PF is Harrison Barnes who has been crap so far this year for the Kings interesting fit....Kings also got Davion Mitchell who could be a good back up. Kings could really use Martin he'd be huge with them as the SF and move Murray to PF.

That's great but Martin and Barnes are not even close when it comes to contracts and they have no need for Duncan when they already have Huerter so no where near a trade match

Robinson is a year less on his contract so it would and any extra spacing for Fox and Sabonis is valued, Barnes is a good 3pt shooter but Duncan is elite and does not require much touches, it would also allow the Kings to move Huerter if they want since he's been down as well I think it makes a lot of sense for both to do Barnes/Mitchell for Robinson/Martin.

I don't think the Kings go for something like that. The trade also gives them a void at the backup PG spot. Barnes and Duncan both have similar years on the contracts. I don't count Duncan's partial in the last year because a team would have to be extremely desperate to eat 10 million dollars on there cap in order to have Duncan get his partial 9.8 and walk. That will be a trade expiring contract in his last year.

[IceColdCubano]

I am still seeing too many issues out on the court we have no answers for, that Terry isn't going to fix on his own.

1. Still don't show a semblance of a half court offense that can consistently score, to the point that we barely ever get above 100 points these days.
2. We still can't find ways to get to the basket for an easy score, and when we do its a very tough shot or we miss our free throws.
3. Three point shooting is very difficult instead of it happening naturally within the flow as play call, its only as a relief valve at the end of the shot clock we turns into a rush miss. We also don't shoot enough of them to matter when we are making them regardless.
4. Our defense used to be give or take, we either allowed open corner threes in exchange for collapsing at the basket denying layups/dunks/floaters. That is not the case anymore we allow any and every type of scoring imaginable, our defense is bad everywhere.
5. We have not found consistent roles for anyone on the team nor does anyone on the team know the guys next to them is doing in their role. I say this because we don't know if Jimmy is playing like he means it so players are hesitant to start the game and stand around to watch him or funnel the ball to him. Bam since the injurie has relegated himself to a spot up shooter, but rarely does DHO's anymore and just roams around the middle of the court. We stopped doing pick and roll action with him, something that was working earlier in the season. Herro comes is like a loose canon in some games and shots himself out of rhythm with terrible heat checks, then comes in other games thinking too much, deferring to others, not looking aggressive. Duncan, Highsmith, Jovic, Caleb, Richardson, Love have all been starters at different positions and have gone back and forth from bench to starting to back to the bench or not played at all, there's no way to figure out a role when you keep shuffling guys around playing wack a mole.
6. The only consistant thing this year has been our rookie JJJ, in which he has responded to his role better than predicted, and is injured which correlates to our losing streak since going down, being the only think that held together the paper house.
7. Our wins this year have not been convincing were still playing losing 3rd and 4th quarters only to grind a win, we cannot hold on to leads to save our lives. At least last years team, was bad but super clutch in 4th quarters which helped build some good habits for the playoffs. I don't know how you can look at this team and think we would be successful in the playoffs and not get ran off the court.
8. Jimmy Butler is looking worse for the wiser this year, and I have zero faith he will replicate his previous playoffs performances. I say that because in the last couple of years, when Jimmy gave a damn he was able to get what he wanted in games that meant something to him. This year if your watching even when Jimmy wants to do something, he cannot get passed anyone anymore, his bully ball isn't pushing him passed anyone. He still gets the benefit of the whistle and gets to the free throw line however that may not be there in the playoffs if the refs are not calling the game a certain way. He has lost a couple of steps, his shot is flatter than usual, and he looks like he struggles to run up and down the court.
9. Spo has had to do a lot of Frankenstein builds due to injuries I get that, unfortunately this year he hasn't been able to figure out anything that works, at some point in time the parts and pieces on the team just don't fit or work regardless of what you got.

[Eagle4]

Herro has to come off the bench or trade em. Enough is enough.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Herro has to come off the bench or trade em. Enough is enough.

That’s not going to fix much. We have a lot more issues going than just moving Herro to the bench. What are you trading Herro for? Are you ready to give up on him for Duncan Robinson who was ghost for the last two years and can turn plumpkin real quick.

Yes you can trade Herro but the league is not going to give what you want. Roles need to be defined and this team needs more defensive help in the front court with size. Without Bam this teams front court consist of Love who runs like he has cement in his feet and now forced to play Center with zero shot blocking, Highsmith 6’5 built like a SF low weight at 220, Martin 6’5 205 a shooting guard build with a SF game who’s forced to play the 4, Jovic a 20 year old raw prospect who has zero idea or the physicality to play defense right now, Bryant who’s awful and Robinson who is probably our best sized big but Spo would never dare play him with Bam.

[IceColdCubano]

Herro has to come off the bench or trade em. Enough is enough.

That’s not going to fix much. We have a lot more issues going than just moving Herro to the bench. What are you trading Herro for? Are you ready to give up on him for Duncan Robinson who was ghost for the last two years and can turn plumpkin real quick.

Yes you can trade Herro but the league is not going to give what you want. Roles need to be defined and this team needs more defensive help in the front court with size. Without Bam this teams front court consist of Love who runs like he has cement in his feet and now forced to play Center with zero shot blocking, Highsmith 6’5 built like a SF low weight at 220, Martin 6’5 205 a shooting guard build with a SF game who’s forced to play the 4, Jovic a 20 year old raw prospect who has zero idea or the physicality to play defense right now, Bryant who’s awful and Robinson who is probably our best sized big but Spo would never dare play him with Bam.

That's probably the only play left, is to play Robinson and Bam together and see what that yields, I mean Spo has tried every other combination. Something has to change and at some point its the parts that need to be replaced and not the system.

I find it hard to believe as someone as smart as Spo whom after every loss says he sees them doing the things they practice their not going in or not working right. Tells me either he is a psycho who keeps bashing his head against the wall on a process that will never work or the players doing the process are just not good enough to do them.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Spo got players all confused and they are trying to listen to him. This is why just blaming Herro is such crap.