2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9

[DayofMourning]

I want to move Duncan and Rozier so Spo doesnt play them over more impactful players.

[VaDe255]

Question for ya'll, is Rozier on the opening night roster next year?

They'll need to part with someone to stay under the tax:

- Players under contract: Bam, Tyler, Wiggins, Terry, Duncan, Kyle, HH, Ware, Love, and Pelle.
- Team options: Jovic and Jaquez.
- Expiring contracts: Davion, Keshad, and Burks.

That's 10 players under contract, 2 team options, and presumably 2 rookies coming in from the draft.
They’ll be over the tax cap if they pick up the team options and draft the rookies, so someone will need to go.
Hopefully, they can move Terry in some way to create space under the tax for re-signing Davion. I’m open to packaging Terry and JJJ to achieve that, preferably without sacrificing more draft capital for Terry.

[Lennyzinho]

Question for ya'll, is Rozier on the opening night roster next year?

They'll need to part with someone to stay under the tax:

- Players under contract: Bam, Tyler, Wiggins, Terry, Duncan, Kyle, HH, Ware, Love, and Pelle.
- Team options: Jovic and Jaquez.
- Expiring contracts: Davion, Keshad, and Burks.

That's 10 players under contract, 2 team options, and presumably 2 rookies coming in from the draft.
They’ll be over the tax cap if they pick up the team options and draft the rookies, so someone will need to go.
Hopefully, they can move Terry in some way to create space under the tax for re-signing Davion. I’m open to packaging Terry and JJJ to achieve that, preferably without sacrificing more draft capital for Terry.

The only way you get rid of Terry without giving up assets or part of a big deal, is by getting a guy that a team no longer wants and has more years.
DeRozan for instance. Let's say kings wanna go younger and partial rebuild around zach and sabonis and derozan doesn't fit anymore but he has two more years. Well let's take Rozier who is an expiring and maybe can be better for us off the bench.
DeRozan would be a perfect 6th man at this stage of his career btw. Not saying that happens ofc, but that's what it would look like. Trading for someone else's problem that we think we can extract value or at least more than what rozier is giving us. Understanding that it would mess up our 2026-2027 flexibility tho. But Riley hasn't done anything right lately so nothing will surprise me.
Just waiting for him to max Tyler with an awful contract before he retires.

[jbsays]

Question for ya'll, is Rozier on the opening night roster next year?

Unless we burn ANOTHER asset to get rid of him he will be.

If Heat somehow end up with someone like Young (or maybe even KD) I think they'd probably attach a pick to get rid of Rozier. It would free up money to resign Mitchell as a backup.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Think we could dump Highsmith pretty easily if we needed to. Not advocating for it, I actually like Highsmith as a 3 and D guy that’s like your 8-10th guy in the rotation but it could be doable.

[Flash4thewin]

So let’s ignore the Sun’s asking price for a moment which will be high. What’s the sales pitch for KD to actually say hey i want to come to miami, a team that just ended the season as a lottery team ( with the way things are looking). We can’t really talk about winning so then money will be the motivator, so KD with a max 3/4 year deal? Is that our sales pitch?

[wade44]

So let’s ignore the Sun’s asking price for a moment which will be high. What’s the sales pitch for KD to actually say hey i want to come to miami, a team that just ended the season as a lottery team ( with the way things are looking). We can’t really talk about winning so then money will be the motivator, so KD with a max 3/4 year deal? Is that our sales pitch?

KD is not coming here. He’d much prefer a championship bound roster over one full of overpaid role players

[oreon]

Question for ya'll, is Rozier on the opening night roster next year?

They'll need to part with someone to stay under the tax:

- Players under contract: Bam, Tyler, Wiggins, Terry, Duncan, Kyle, HH, Ware, Love, and Pelle.
- Team options: Jovic and Jaquez.
- Expiring contracts: Davion, Keshad, and Burks.

That's 10 players under contract, 2 team options, and presumably 2 rookies coming in from the draft.
They’ll be over the tax cap if they pick up the team options and draft the rookies, so someone will need to go.
Hopefully, they can move Terry in some way to create space under the tax for re-signing Davion. I’m open to packaging Terry and JJJ to achieve that, preferably without sacrificing more draft capital for Terry.

Just waive Duncan. And if we get keep Davion for cheap let him walk. At the end day Davion is a back up point guard. No reason to over pay for bench role players. I hope FO learnt that with the Duncan deal, which was a negative assets as soon as it was signed. We have Pelle and Dru coming back who can fill the backup point guard role. And for this draft we probably end up using one of the picks for a point guard.
As for Jamie, he had a great first year, hit rookie wall in year 2 and to be frank Spo hasn't given him the minutes to rebound. I am okay if he's traded. But not okay if its to dump a contract. I don't think we will get a star in the summer. So next season it will be or should be about the young guys. I think we should give him another offseason and see if he can rebound. Its better than selling low on asset. He still has 2 additional years on a low salary

[Slot Machine]

Question for ya'll, is Rozier on the opening night roster next year?

They'll need to part with someone to stay under the tax:

- Players under contract: Bam, Tyler, Wiggins, Terry, Duncan, Kyle, HH, Ware, Love, and Pelle.
- Team options: Jovic and Jaquez.
- Expiring contracts: Davion, Keshad, and Burks.

That's 10 players under contract, 2 team options, and presumably 2 rookies coming in from the draft.
They’ll be over the tax cap if they pick up the team options and draft the rookies, so someone will need to go.
Hopefully, they can move Terry in some way to create space under the tax for re-signing Davion. I’m open to packaging Terry and JJJ to achieve that, preferably without sacrificing more draft capital for Terry.

Just waive Duncan. And if we get keep Davion for cheap let him walk. At the end day Davion is a back up point guard. No reason to over pay for bench role players. I hope FO learnt that with the Duncan deal, which was a negative assets as soon as it was signed. We have Pelle and Dru coming back who can fill the backup point guard role. And for this draft we probably end up using one of the picks for a point guard.
As for Jamie, he had a great first year, hit rookie wall in year 2 and to be frank Spo hasn't given him the minutes to rebound. I am okay if he's traded. But not okay if its to dump a contract. I don't think we will get a star in the summer. So next season it will be or should be about the young guys. I think we should give him another offseason and see if he can rebound. Its better than selling low on asset. He still has 2 additional years on a low salary

The front office hasn’t learned anything about not overpaying role players despite making the same mistake numerous times. They tried to give Caleb a 5-year deal last year and the only reason we’re not stuck with that contract is his agent.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We’re probably going to offer Davion 4/$100M and justify it by saying he’s better than Terry and making the same money

[Dc__20]

Wishful thinking; nba gives Miami number 1 pick for not making a mockery of the regular season and actually attempting to win games. I can see it happening

[Flash4thewin]

We’re probably going to offer Davion 4/$100M and justify it by saying he’s better than Terry and making the same money

With this front office nothing would surprise me but i think Mitchell market will be between the tax payers MLE and the regular MLE so some where around 6 mil to 14 mil.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Wishful thinking; nba gives Miami number 1 pick for not making a mockery of the regular season and actually attempting to win games. I can see it happening

Unfortunately they won’t rig it for us like they did for the Spurs to get Wemby, the Bulls to get Rose, or the Cavs to win 3 out of 4 years to accumulate assets to build a big 3 when LeBron went back to Cleveland

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We’re probably going to offer Davion 4/$100M and justify it by saying he’s better than Terry and making the same money

With this front office nothing would surprise me but i think Mitchell market will be between the tax payers MLE and the regular MLE so some where around 6 mil to 14 mil.

It’s going to be an interesting summer I think. There’s not much money to go around outside of exception money

[Lennyzinho]

So let’s ignore the Sun’s asking price for a moment which will be high. What’s the sales pitch for KD to actually say hey i want to come to miami, a team that just ended the season as a lottery team ( with the way things are looking). We can’t really talk about winning so then money will be the motivator, so KD with a max 3/4 year deal? Is that our sales pitch?

KD is not coming here. He’d much prefer a championship bound roster over one full of overpaid role players

Ok, so where exactly?

Dallas as an option is cooked with kyrie tearing his ACL.

Houston would have to trade FVV and give up young assets and they've shown no interest in doing either.

I saw a knicks mock trade where they sent OG and a pick for durant. What if the suns don't think OG is worth his deal or doesn't want him (even though younger and on bookers timeline and a good player). Who knows if knicks even want to send out more picks after depleting their coffers with the OG Kat and Bridges trades.

Pistons send tobias harris and Isaiah Stewart and a pick?
Would durant even want to go to Detroit?

Just saying. We might get lucky... if you filter the league with the following parameters:
1) where would durant go and extend?
2) who actually wants him at 37 and giving up assets
3) what team is desperate enough to full court press him

I mean. It very well could be Miami.
And if Jovic wants a big extension like 4-80. You send him as part of the deal. Suns aren't getting a better offer than Wiggins Rozier(expiring) Jovic and a pick.

Not sure what can be offered/number of players with all the tax apron stuff.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Question for ya'll, is Rozier on the opening night roster next year?

They'll need to part with someone to stay under the tax:

- Players under contract: Bam, Tyler, Wiggins, Terry, Duncan, Kyle, HH, Ware, Love, and Pelle.
- Team options: Jovic and Jaquez.
- Expiring contracts: Davion, Keshad, and Burks.

That's 10 players under contract, 2 team options, and presumably 2 rookies coming in from the draft.
They’ll be over the tax cap if they pick up the team options and draft the rookies, so someone will need to go.
Hopefully, they can move Terry in some way to create space under the tax for re-signing Davion. I’m open to packaging Terry and JJJ to achieve that, preferably without sacrificing more draft capital for Terry.

Duncan’s ETO clears 10 million off the cap. Non tendering Mitchell is another 7.8 million. Burks expiring is another 2.5 million. We free up enough to open up the MLE and sign our draft picks. Duncan has a chance to stay on a renegotiated deal starting at 9.9 million which is his ETO guarantee.

[MettaWorldPanda]

So let’s ignore the Sun’s asking price for a moment which will be high. What’s the sales pitch for KD to actually say hey i want to come to miami, a team that just ended the season as a lottery team ( with the way things are looking). We can’t really talk about winning so then money will be the motivator, so KD with a max 3/4 year deal? Is that our sales pitch?

KD is not coming here. He’d much prefer a championship bound roster over one full of overpaid role players

Ok, so where exactly?

Dallas as an option is cooked with kyrie tearing his ACL.

Houston would have to trade FVV and give up young assets and they've shown no interest in doing either.

I saw a knicks mock trade where they sent OG and a pick for durant. What if the suns don't think OG is worth his deal or doesn't want him (even though younger and on bookers timeline and a good player). Who knows if knicks even want to send out more picks after depleting their coffers with the OG Kat and Bridges trades.

Pistons send tobias harris and Isaiah Stewart and a pick?
Would durant even want to go to Detroit?

Just saying. We might get lucky... if you filter the league with the following parameters:
1) where would durant go and extend?
2) who actually wants him at 37 and giving up assets
3) what team is desperate enough to full court press him

I mean. It very well could be Miami.
And if Jovic wants a big extension like 4-80. You send him as part of the deal. Suns aren't getting a better offer than Wiggins Rozier(expiring) Jovic and a pick.

Not sure what can be offered/number of players with all the tax apron stuff.

Durant could very well just end up staying. There’s already been talks about them firing the coach to appease him. OKC might be a surprise team but Houston is in the driver’s seat to get him. I also doubt he ends up here and signing the extension that they refused to give Jimmy.

[Flash4thewin]

So let’s ignore the Sun’s asking price for a moment which will be high. What’s the sales pitch for KD to actually say hey i want to come to miami, a team that just ended the season as a lottery team ( with the way things are looking). We can’t really talk about winning so then money will be the motivator, so KD with a max 3/4 year deal? Is that our sales pitch?

KD is not coming here. He’d much prefer a championship bound roster over one full of overpaid role players

Ok, so where exactly?

Dallas as an option is cooked with kyrie tearing his ACL.

Houston would have to trade FVV and give up young assets and they've shown no interest in doing either.

I saw a knicks mock trade where they sent OG and a pick for durant. What if the suns don't think OG is worth his deal or doesn't want him (even though younger and on bookers timeline and a good player). Who knows if knicks even want to send out more picks after depleting their coffers with the OG Kat and Bridges trades.

Pistons send tobias harris and Isaiah Stewart and a pick?
Would durant even want to go to Detroit?

Just saying. We might get lucky... if you filter the league with the following parameters:
1) where would durant go and extend?
2) who actually wants him at 37 and giving up assets
3) what team is desperate enough to full court press him

I mean. It very well could be Miami.
And if Jovic wants a big extension like 4-80. You send him as part of the deal. Suns aren't getting a better offer than Wiggins Rozier(expiring) Jovic and a pick.

Not sure what can be offered/number of players with all the tax apron stuff.

It would be some offer based on both picks, Ware, Terry and Duncan. That would give us a team foundation of Herro, KD, Bam and Wiggins. Then we fill out the rest of the team with undrafted player. That team has a chance to make some noise in the playoffs, problem will be the tax. The Suns get expiring player and our picks and Ware.

[DayofMourning]

I think it would be a major mistake to move Ware this early. He has a rare skillset. Im as eager as anyone else, but Id double over if we traded him this soon.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

KD is not coming here. He’d much prefer a championship bound roster over one full of overpaid role players

Ok, so where exactly?

Dallas as an option is cooked with kyrie tearing his ACL.

Houston would have to trade FVV and give up young assets and they've shown no interest in doing either.

I saw a knicks mock trade where they sent OG and a pick for durant. What if the suns don't think OG is worth his deal or doesn't want him (even though younger and on bookers timeline and a good player). Who knows if knicks even want to send out more picks after depleting their coffers with the OG Kat and Bridges trades.

Pistons send tobias harris and Isaiah Stewart and a pick?
Would durant even want to go to Detroit?

Just saying. We might get lucky... if you filter the league with the following parameters:
1) where would durant go and extend?
2) who actually wants him at 37 and giving up assets
3) what team is desperate enough to full court press him

I mean. It very well could be Miami.
And if Jovic wants a big extension like 4-80. You send him as part of the deal. Suns aren't getting a better offer than Wiggins Rozier(expiring) Jovic and a pick.

Not sure what can be offered/number of players with all the tax apron stuff.

Durant could very well just end up staying. There’s already been talks about them firing the coach to appease him. OKC might be a surprise team but Houston is in the driver’s seat to get him. I also doubt he ends up here and signing the extension that they refused to give Jimmy.

Not arguing one way or another because the only fact we know is that the Heat will be trying to get him. I actually think they’d sign him to a 2 year extension and I think if you swap KD with Jimmy the last 6 years they wouldn’t have been so lazy and would’ve went all in. They didn’t believe it Jimmy, dumb I know, and it backfired