2025 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread

[HeatFanLifer]

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I mean is it possible he was rigging this game? Sure. But have the people who thought he was tanking this game given consideration that Rozier is a really bad player? Also, why did Spo keep him in there if he was playing so bad?

[HeatingUp3]

Would we get our 1st pick back?
Can we do something??

[HeatFan_NC]

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I mean is it possible he was rigging this game? Sure. But have the people who thought he was tanking this game given consideration that Rozier is a really bad player? Also, why did Spo keep him in there if he was playing so bad?

He is not a bad player. He was tearing it up when he was a Celtic.

[DayofMourning]

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Sorry we’ll take our pick back PLUS an additional 1st gifted to us from the NBA this coming summer giving us 5 available for Giannis

This is my plan minus the Giannis part.

Instead we tank and get the 2nd pick. Then the number 1 pick is awarded to us by the NBA for being grossly wronged and the victim in the Rozier story.

We then draft DP and AJ and forge ahead.

[HeatGuyInChicago]

Kyle Lowry and its not even close.

Lowry was one of the main reasons we had a high playoff seeding the first year he was here. He wasn’t that bad. McWubert biggest issue was health if I remember correctly, dude was like Mr Glass for us unfortunately.

Kyle Lowry
3 years, $85M sign-and-trade

Brought in to be a veteran floor general and playoff stabilizer.
But he showed up out of shape, dealt with recurring injuries, and underperformed in the playoffs.
Averaged just ~11 PPG and struggled to mesh with Butler & Bam.

By Year 2, was coming off the bench behind Gabe Vincent.

There is an irony to this. Wasn't it reported that Jimmy wanted Kyle Lowry to be here. The Heat gave Lowry a contract that expired when he was 38. Jimmy wanted a contract extension that would take him to 38. The Heat learned to be conservative with Jimmy Butler's contract from the Lowry experience.

[MartyConlonJr]

When Aspiration wanted to have Ballmer and Wong invest further money when they were going under, they had to disclose all the financial strife and investigations they were under to potential investors.

It would seem the bar is potentially lower for the NBA and the Hornets with Rozier when Miami is enquiring about a trade.

I'm not sure how this is any less pertinent than injury information, as both speak to a players ability to play basketball. We've seen many a trade rescinded or draft compensation revised after a player has had their physical and these issues have come up.

That said, much like a coaches challenge where I can see Miami are right, I just expect these days for the opposite result and hold out little hope for any compensation.

[Lennyzinho]

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I mean is it possible he was rigging this game? Sure. But have the people who thought he was tanking this game given consideration that Rozier is a really bad player? Also, why did Spo keep him in there if he was playing so bad?

From everything I've read Terry effed up once and was immediately brought in by the NBA and they shut him down. According to windhorst. He knew he was being investigated further by the FBI, confirmed from all the comments by his lawyer recently and tidbits we'd hear all of last year. All the clips of him playing poorly is cuz he was mentally cooked and stressed by knowing he was being investigated and it showed up on the court. People dragging him thru the mud and posting these clips cuz it gets clicks. Its baseless. I actually feel bad for Terry. He messed up. He should've been punished by the league. And then moved on. Instead nba tried glossing it over, allowed tbe Heat to trade for him and neither the league nor Charlotte disclosed this to Miami, and now the FBI unsurprisingly dropping all of this as this nba season starts cuz ya know this admin wants as many gold stars and pats on the head and attention as possible.

Now its a clusterfck.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

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Sorry we’ll take our pick back PLUS an additional 1st gifted to us from the NBA this coming summer giving us 5 available for Giannis

This is my plan minus the Giannis part.

Instead we tank and get the 2nd pick. Then the number 1 pick is awarded to us by the NBA for being grossly wronged and the victim in the Rozier story.

We then draft DP and AJ and forge ahead.

I say we strongly consider a backroom deal with Silver and the Lakers.

Send them Bam Adebayo in exchange for Austin Reeves and some picks.

Miami wins 2026 NBA draft lottery guaranteed.

[twix2500]

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I mean is it possible he was rigging this game? Sure. But have the people who thought he was tanking this game given consideration that Rozier is a really bad player? Also, why did Spo keep him in there if he was playing so bad?

From everything I've read Terry effed up once and was immediately brought in by the NBA and they shut him down. According to windhorst. He knew he was being investigated further by the FBI, confirmed from all the comments by his lawyer recently and tidbits we'd hear all of last year. All the clips of him playing poorly is cuz he was mentally cooked and stressed by knowing he was being investigated and it showed up on the court. People dragging him thru the mud and posting these clips cuz it gets clicks. Its baseless. I actually feel bad for Terry. He messed up. He should've been punished by the league. And then moved on. Instead nba tried glossing it over, allowed tbe Heat to trade for him and neither the league nor Charlotte disclosed this to Miami, and now the FBI unsurprisingly dropping all of this as this nba season starts cuz ya know this admin wants as many gold stars and pats on the head and attention as possible.

Now its a clusterfck.

I do not believe its the league fault. They likely couldnt prove anything. From the FBI presser, the people who got Rozier to help them win the bets drove all the way from up north to Rozier house and gave him cash. There was no way the NBA could of traced that if it was done properly. The pattern could be seen but likely not enough to hand down punishment. A lot of the current evidence may only been able to be reveal if someone connected got arrested for something else and then took a plea deal. That is out of the NBA reach.

[unowen85]

I don’t know about absolving the league for the situation. Even if they found no evidence of wrongdoing because Rozier wouldn’t admit to it or they couldn’t find any trace of gambling or even having faked an injury, would the league be legally barred from telling Riley that they investigated Rozier?

[twix2500]

I don’t know about absolving the league for the situation. Even if they found no evidence of wrongdoing because Rozier wouldn’t admit to it or they couldn’t find any trace of gambling or even having faked an injury, would the league be legally barred from telling Riley that they investigated Rozier?

Yes, because the league would get sued by the player for hurting his value. It wouldn't mean word didnt get around. Employees in all space all have some crazy skeletons in their closets so its not uncommon to hear a lot of accusations that its numbing.

I may be wrong, but wasnt their footage going around a few years ago of Rozier with a friend that was caught up in a scandal and their was footage of a duffle bag of cash.

[twix2500]

March 23, 2023 – Charlotte Hornets Game

As alleged, Rozier, then an active player for the Hornets, tipped off longtime friend Laster that Rozier planned to leave the game early due to a purported injury. Rozier provided this information to Laster for the purpose of enabling Laster to place wagers based on this information. Laster, Fairley, and Hennen, among others, used that confidential information to place and direct more than $200,000 in wagers predicting Rozier’s “under” statistics (i.e., that Rozier would underperform). Rozier exited the game after nine minutes, and many of the bets paid off, generating tens of thousands of dollars in profits. Laster collected the cash and drove through the night to Rozier’s house, where together they counted the profits together.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/current-and-former-national-basketball-association-players-and-four-other-individuals

[eddieheatfan]

March 23, 2023 – Charlotte Hornets Game

As alleged, Rozier, then an active player for the Hornets, tipped off longtime friend Laster that Rozier planned to leave the game early due to a purported injury. Rozier provided this information to Laster for the purpose of enabling Laster to place wagers based on this information. Laster, Fairley, and Hennen, among others, used that confidential information to place and direct more than $200,000 in wagers predicting Rozier’s “under” statistics (i.e., that Rozier would underperform). Rozier exited the game after nine minutes, and many of the bets paid off, generating tens of thousands of dollars in profits. Laster collected the cash and drove through the night to Rozier’s house, where together they counted the profits together.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/current-and-former-national-basketball-association-players-and-four-other-individuals

pure scum

[twix2500]

March 23, 2023 – Charlotte Hornets Game

As alleged, Rozier, then an active player for the Hornets, tipped off longtime friend Laster that Rozier planned to leave the game early due to a purported injury. Rozier provided this information to Laster for the purpose of enabling Laster to place wagers based on this information. Laster, Fairley, and Hennen, among others, used that confidential information to place and direct more than $200,000 in wagers predicting Rozier’s “under” statistics (i.e., that Rozier would underperform). Rozier exited the game after nine minutes, and many of the bets paid off, generating tens of thousands of dollars in profits. Laster collected the cash and drove through the night to Rozier’s house, where together they counted the profits together.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/current-and-former-national-basketball-association-players-and-four-other-individuals

pure scum

This is definitely plea deal aka snitch quote type of intel. He might as well said "WE counted the profits together"

"where together they counted the profits together."

[Shewasfly]

I think its nonsense to pretend the league has no responsibility here. Not informing a team that was trading for a player that the player was in an investigation for gambling on games? An offense that literally has a direct impact on winning and the players performance??? That's something that should have been disclosed period, regardless of what they determined. That is leverage that they took away from the Heat.

Whether the league forces Charlotte to take full responsibility for not disclosing or cops to it itself, we are owed here. The FO needs to fight to have at least the next couple of years of Charlotte's first round draft picks surrendered to the Heat. 1 for the pick we traded and one as a penalty. Unlikely that they will rig it for us like they did Dallas, that would be too obvious. But at least we would have a high draft pick since Charlotte sucks.

[Lennyzinho]

Michael Jordan definitely didn't have a gambling problem and he totally wanted to play baseball during his prime and his dad definitely wasn't taken out by the mafia and the nba definitely didnt make Jordan take a year away from nba due to gambling. For sure for sure.

Nba pulled rozier for a year. Windy said so. But they dont tell miami? They dont make it public? Nba is a step away from WWE. Its entertainment first. Money talks. They didn't want to tarnish anything during media deal talks and alllll this sponsorship money pouring in from draftkings robinhood mgm hard rock etc etc

They bury everything the same way they're gonna bury the clippers kawhi thing and theyre gonna deny all the draft lottery rigging claims. Is what it is.

[Vertical Limit]

It is almost evident that Adam Silver will try to mediate cooperation from Arison and Riley. He has a brand to defend. He has his job status to defend.

But that has to come at a cost that benefits the Heat. And it starts with having Roziers contract off the books.

Then we can start talking about picks returned back to us and where we pick in the draft.

This is where Riley needs to really take in the godfather persona make Silver your bitch

[vagelis]

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I mean is it possible he was rigging this game? Sure. But have the people who thought he was tanking this game given consideration that Rozier is a really bad player? Also, why did Spo keep him in there if he was playing so bad?

This performance seems not a bad game from a bad player

There is not such a bad player in NBA level.
Especially Rozier.
He was a good player.

Maybe he was under the pressure of possible court charges or maybe something else.

[KingDavid]

Great question. "Four teams were mentioned in the illegal sports gambling investigation as being bet on - the Charlotte Hornets, Los Angeles Lakers, Toronto Raptors, and Portland Trail Blazers."

Apparently the DOJ is investigating them now so...why indeed would they do this.

Would be interesting to know if Charlotte knew something was going on and swept it under the rug.

Now that could work in our favor.

You guys are sounding thirsty right now. Think about it… Miami traded big booty Lowry at a substantial salary that was basically waived by Charlotte and a draft pick. You got years of value out of a player. And you have the audacity to believe you’re getting a pick back? That a team REALLY traded you a damaged player for a draft pick and the league allowed it? He played for Charlotte the year after he pulled that bs before being traded, but you and the other fella are forgetting that part.

Carry on.

The Heat likely wouldn't have traded for him with that type of liability attached to him. Most teams wouldn't; take a look at Malik Beasley. Your front office knew about the illegal actions, the NBA knew about the illegal actions, both tried to sweep it under the rug and wash their hands of it while Miami was left holding the bag. If the heat knew, I'd agree with you. But they didn't. Do you know what that's called in litigation?.........Neither do I, but I want something back for getting bamboozled dammit!

[KingDavid]

Think about what you’re typing for a minute…. Why would the Hornets knowingly do that?

Great question. "Four teams were mentioned in the illegal sports gambling investigation as being bet on - the Charlotte Hornets, Los Angeles Lakers, Toronto Raptors, and Portland Trail Blazers."

Apparently the DOJ is investigating them now so...why indeed would they do this.

Bet on and betting are different things. Context clues are awesome!

Now that we have confirmation that both the Hornets AND the NBA knew....again, why indeed