Official NBA Draft Lottery Discussion Thread II

[DayofMourning]

I've been on the Beasley bandwagon all year and with team's geared up to stop him he still gets 26 and 12.

For those of you who haven't seen a game of his and are just relying on hearsay, realize that he is triple teamed in the post before he even gets the ball! No one in college had more defense surrounding him than Beasley and he still put up ungodly numbers.

He carried a Kansas State team that hasn't done anything in years to the tournament. Without Beasley they win ten games, maybe less. He is one of the most skilled offensive players you could hope for coming out of college - a PF with a SFs ability.

And yes he is a big man. He is 6'9"-6'10" with a post player's mentality. No, he's not a center like Howard, Duncan, Shaq, etc. and all the other silly comparisons I've seen, but he is a big man/post player who is as good a rebounder and a better scorer(Duncan may be his match) than any of the previous three.

[Iputsomepantson]

And yes he is a big man. He is 6'9"-6'10" with a post player's mentality. No, he's not a center like Howard, Duncan, Shaq, etc. and all the other silly comparisons I've seen, but he is a big man/post player who is as good a rebounder and a better scorer(Duncan may be his match) than any of the previous three.

Is he kind of in the mold of KG or Bosh? If so, let's get him. If he's in the mold of Durant or Melo though, I think we should pass and get Rose.

[Iputsomepantson]

http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/new/stor ... ofile41817

I just went to this website to get some info on Beasley because nbadraft.net's info on him is outdated.

It says he's this years Kevin Durant - a dominant freshman. I don't know if they are comparing his skills to Durant or just his dominance at the college level.

In addition, the website points out some of his weaknesses and I think they should be heavily considered. NBAdraft.net pointed out he has some attitude problems and collegehoops pointed out the same thing. The guy bounced around many high schools and his attitude has been compared to Derrick Coleman and Zach Randolphs.

This is a huge drawback. We can live with him being a SF/PF player as he and Marion can switch off, but one big lesson which must be not be forgotten after this season is that talent does not matter if attitude is a problem.

San Antonio and Detroit both consistently contend because their players bring a professional attitude night in and out. We failed miserably last year in the playoffs and this year in the regular season because our team did not have everyone on board with that type of professional attitude.

It's a miracle we won the championship now that I look back. Many on our team that whole season had that "turn it on" attitude, but that attitude is not what won the championship. It was the "step it up" attitude from Wade, Zo, Haslem, and Posey...players who carried us the whole season...that won us that championship.

Miami needs to have every one of its players have that attitude. If Beasley is a cancer, i'll pass. DWade-DRose-DWright (okay maybe not D-Wright), can lead us to the promised land.

[miamiballer]

Beasley is the real deal...if it werent for him, then id take rose but we are talking about a guy who can play inside and out kind of like dirk can do...he's like a more athletic, stronger dirk with less shot....you don't think a wade/dirk combo would do damage?

rose is nice but we dont need a distributor as much as anohter front court scorer...as of now we have no scoring from our bigs and that is a prob..beasley also solves our rebounding issues

i think rose will end up somewhere between chris paul and baron davis and i think beasley will end up somewhere between amare and dirk

[midtown]

I AGREE .

KNicks fan here. I think a team with Wade, Marion & Beasley is already quite a scary 3 piece. YOu can get a C and PG in FA or via trades....

Miami 's future is bright . No doubt

[CoolD]

Beasley is the real deal...if it werent for him, then id take rose but we are talking about a guy who can play inside and out kind of like dirk can do...he's like a more athletic, stronger dirk with less shot....you don't think a wade/dirk combo would do damage?

rose is nice but we dont need a distributor as much as anohter front court scorer...as of now we have no scoring from our bigs and that is a prob..beasley also solves our rebounding issues

i think rose will end up somewhere between chris paul and baron davis and i think beasley will end up somewhere between amare and dirk

This is why I put so much stock in the big guy arguement. Our issues lie that we have Blount. Are you telling me Beasley will be able to play Center. As long as we have a weak Defensive Center, with Beasley or no Beasley will have huge hole in our defense.

Haslem's one of his strong suits is his rebounding. Even Marion could get over 10 rebounds a game when playing PF.

If Beasley was a real Shaq like big, this would be a no brainer, but he is SF, PF. Our main whole is Center, then PG. We have Haslem that can rebound at the PF spot.

Know I think Banks is pretty descent PG. But I see him as great back up pointguard for defensive purposes, and he has shown enough aptitude to hit the 3 and be more an offensive presense than some seem to give him credit for. But Rose is a guard that comes very rare, he is very big for a pointguard. He will even be able to guard SG's at times. Taking some pressure of Wade at times.

Will have two amazing physical phenoms in our backcourt with Wade and Rose. But besides being great athletes, both great passers. That is rare for players being so talented, able to see the floor so well. But Rose will even add new dimension, off being able to generate a tempo, that even Wade lacks because he is still a SG, Rose is a pure pointguard with potential to still rack up points once he cleans that shot, and already shows great bodycontrol and footwork that will improve drastically and should make him an elite guard for many years.

If we want a guy to fix our rebounding issues and defensive issues, we might as well target a Center. Or trade the pick for a Center, that is our biggest weakness.

[TheGreatPooter]

our weakness isnt C or PG

its actually facets of the game, such as:

rebounding
scoring
defense

beasley will def help us massively with the first two, and he has the potential to become a very good low post defender.

[GameTime_3]

Anyone know when the beasley pres conf will be? And will riley be there or is he coaching tonight?

[jaseda510]

Riley will be at the press conference only to hear Beasley's announcement to return to KState for another year

[GameTime_3]

minutes later, riley grabs his knife to kill him but finds out Beasleys family already has.

[DayofMourning]

our weakness isnt C or PG

its actually facets of the game, such as:

rebounding
scoring
defense

beasley will def help us massively with the first two, and he has the potential to become a very good low post defender.

You're right on target with the above statement. We are horrible in all three areas and Beasley would help significantly with the first two. My proposed trade with Portland that could possibly net Thabeet would help with the 1st and last.

I hope all this talk doesn't end with us getting the third or fourth pick.

[KyleH186]

So if I read it right....do we have Orlandos 2nd round pick in 2008, but not our own? And then in 09 we get indiana's and phillys?

[Lane1974]

watching the Beasley news conference on ESPNews, he is going into the draft

[Lane1974]

his college coach looks like Bowser from Sha Na Na
says Beasley went from 218 in high school to 240 by game 1 of the college season
dedicated to the weights
was a 3.0 grade pt average student
(planting the seeds that those Derrick Coleman comparisons of being an attitude problem or not dedicated are wrong)

I can kind of see the "poor man's Duncan" some people say seeing the highlights they are showing, hook shots, face up game, doesn't pop out at you athletically or physically like TD does but obviously is

most double doubles in a season for a freshman in NCAA history, 28 for him, 23 for K-Love, 21 for Carmelo

[Lane1974]

Coach says he would have been a top 5 pick last year out of HS if he were eligible

says Beasley is a first class standup person
says he made the team and the coach better (coach was a 1st year head coach)

[Lane1974]

they just showed a graphic of most dbl-dbls in NCAA history, regardless of class year

David Robinson (85/86) - 31
Duncan (96/97) - 29
Coleman (88/89) - 29
Benoit Benjamin (84-85) 29
Beasley (ONLY FRESHMAN) 28
Larry Bird (78-79) 28

that's impressive

[CoolD]

Rose's coach said he is the ultimate program changer, in every level. He compared he has the potential to be the Tiger Woods of basketball. Beasley might be a poor mans Duncan in offense. But I just don't see him ever being close to having Tim Duncan's defensive presense, ever.

No one talks about Beasley's defense, or his passing ability.

[Flash3]

Not sure if Rose announced yet if he's going tot he draft, but he's hiring an agent.

Derrick Rose Set To Announce Signing With Arn Tellem
April 14, 2008 - 7:17 am
CNBC -

Derrick Rose, ranked as the second overall pick in the latest RealGM mock draft, is set to announce that Arn Tellem of the Wasserman Media Group will represent him in the NBA Draft in June, Darren Rovell of CNBC has revealed.

Tellem is already representing the Lopez brothers from Stanford as well as Anthony Randolph from LSU. [READ]

[BFRESH44]

Rose's coach said he is the ultimate program changer, in every level. He compared he has the potential to be the Tiger Woods of basketball. Beasley might be a poor mans Duncan in offense. But I just don't see him ever being close to having Tim Duncan's defensive presense, ever.

No one talks about Beasley's defense, or his passing ability.

Why do you insist on attempting to detract from Michael Bealey's potential every chance you can en route to trying to pump up Derrick Rose?

[DayofMourning]

Rose is great no doubt. No detraction needed.

Beasley has to be the choice.