Miami Heat Offseason Thread 3.0: Dame Time

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We should bring in Oscar from kentucky

[insfo]

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Basically just over a week

Nah, Bam "The Recruiter" needs to tell his boy he's got till this weekend to make his mind up and then we move on.

Love the idea, but move on to what exactly though?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Kobewade11]

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Basically just over a week

Nah, Bam "The Recruiter" needs to tell his boy he's got till this weekend to make his mind up and then we move on.

Love the idea, but move on to what exactly though?

Move on to improving the roster. We have enough tradeable assets to make non “whale” moves than can help us out in some areas. Don’t sit on hands for weeks cause this dude dont have the balls to declare his intentions.

[eddieheatfan]

my only concern is that it seems they want to keep lowry which is getting old and ineffective. essentially we will have another haslem at the PG position with gabe and jimmy handling the ball more when neither of them are on the injured list.

center is also a concern because zeller is not enough and spo refuses to play omer. bam is undersized as a center as we all know so oh well

[Daffy]

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Is Shams making stuff up or is Dame telling Haynes to do this as damage control. I'm over the Dame wait and back and forth. I'm okay with a boring summer at this point.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

It’s all on Dame, Woj just said Portland will accommodate him if he asks out

[Vertical Limit]

Well we wont find out till 2 weeks from now about Dame.

Brooklyn holds the advantage with the first round picks and expirings to match.

[Slot Machine]

Duncan and Lowry were big contributors in this years post season so no, they didn't do it in spite of them. It's not hard to look at this stuff objectively. I know Duncan and Kyle are polarizing players because of their regular season play, or lack thereof, but they were huge contributors in the playoffs.

Evidently it is - both guys put up 9 points per game in the playoffs and were bench players.

18ppg for $43.8M in contracts is terrible value. They're 3rd and 4th on the team in salary and you could argue that maybe one of them was top 5 on the team in terms of playoff importance (Jimmy, Bam, Caleb, Gabe then Lowry/Robinson/Love in some order). This is also not considering the negative value of their contracts and the implication that has on team-building and additions when considering the 2nd apron.

Let's use a little bit of nuance here instead of "team=good, thus every player and contract on team=good."

Duncan had the best net rating on the team in the post season and Kyle was good in every series apart from Boston basically. You want to get caught up on Kyle's deal, fine. Explain what other PG target in 2021 were the Heat suppose to acquire to improve the team? Mostly everyone was onboard with going after Lowry.

Yeah, they were pretty good in some games. So what? I'm not saying that they're terrible players or should be out of the league, I'm saying that they're way overpaid for their roles with contracts that have significantly hurt/hindered this team. Do I like Gabe and Strus at the minimum? Sure do. What about at $12M a year? Not a chance.

Mostly everyone was onboard with Lowry's deal? I wasn’t and a lot of people in his welcome thread weren’t either, with the exception of Raptor fans. See here: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2110457&hilit=lowry. Offseason thread from the time shows the same.

There's opportunity costs with signing guys to bad deals over the years. We miss out on players we could acquire, lose draft capital to dump bad deals, etc. That all adds up to where we find ourselves now: where we're one piece away and likely unable to get that final piece due to our cap management. We have a habit of giving guys contracts that become negative assets as soon as they're signed.

[Wiltside]

Pls Dame

[iamoti]

I think we are getting Dame. Thats the feeling!

[Daffy]

I think we are getting Dame. Thats the feeling!

Hoping for a big star in our off-season and feeling like we'll get him. First time?

[marson]

This Heat roster is tailor-made for Damian Lillard to shine. It's all on him, if he wants Miami then he'll be sent here.

There is mutual respect between him and the Blazers FO and it looks like they will cater to his destination request.

[VaDe255]

Seems it is a matter time until he does ask out. They've been in talks for weeks now and nothing has materialized as an upgrade they can actually get.

I really hope this does not drag out though, I don't even care if he goes somewhere else, just get it over with.
Having the Heat FO in a bind is painful to watch. They won't do anything now that the chances of a Lillard trade increased a lot.

[dean456]

I'll be honest Jaquez wasn't really on my radar before the draft. I was down on the pick when we selected today.

But after looking into his film I'm coming around to it. This is what stood out to me.

He is really fundamentally sound. NBA ready body, Footwork seems advanced, Solid shooting mechanics, in control ball handler, high IQ and has a shifty unpredictable nature to his game.

The way he moves reminds me of a mixture of Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart.

Offensively it reminds me of how Brunson leverages his body, his footwork and his ball fake/head fake/pump fakes to gain an advantage to score also similar to how Doncic is so effective despite his physical limitations. (Not saying he's Doncic)

Defensively he reminds me of Josh Hart, just has a nose for the ball, brings an exciting energy, Makes high IQ reads and a good rebounder.

Also surprised by his athleticism, a lot of impressive shot blocks for someone 6'6 and fast break dunks.

This guy definitely going to be our Strus replacement I think but will do other things and wont be as much of a high volume shooter yet.

I think Jimmy going to love this guy and love playing 1 on 1 against him.

I think we are going to be surprised by this pick if we keep him.

[CanesHeatFins]

Can't believe everyone getting sucked back in again for like the 10th time in 3yrs. Kawhi, Toronto Lowry,PG13,Yannis,Kyrie,Donovan, Kd(twice), Beal, and Lillard. Even when these dudes name us as the place they want to be, we still don't close the deal.

Spoiler alert...Lillard will request a trade, we will be one of 2 or 3 teams he list, and we won't come close to getting him. And while we're wallowing in self pity about being stuck with a 2nd tier luxury tax team while somehow having 9 undrafted dudes on it, half the board will lecture us about being spoiled and ungrateful about making it to the ECF 2 out of 4 yrs.

[ShulaDon92]

Jaquez is a polished player. Much more polished than anyone in his pick range. We will see if that's going to translate to the league.

-SHULA

[ILC]

Dame has to ask for the trade now, before the FA starts. He can't allow Blazers to give Grant 150 million, sign a couple vets etc. and then ask for a trade 3 days later. Do it now, allow them to S&T Grant as well and go fully young.

[dean456]

As far as the Lillard stuff goes, I think there's more going on there then being reported. The fact the Portland GM came out and said he wants to make it work with Dame and he's more vocal than ever and just spoke on Tuesday about possible trades to keep him there, only for Haynes to come out instantly to debunk that makes me think Dame saw that and told Haynes to call out his BS.

I think Dame has already told the FO he wants out and to find a trade, but Portland GM trying to keep up the facade in public so he can maintain leverage in negotiations. Dame not going to come out publicly and announce that he's demanding a trade because he wants to protect his reputation but he's making it clear through Haynes what his opinion is about staying in Portland.

He's not going through a rebuild in Portland and it seems that's where they are leaning.